Denney & Coughlin reveal their 2013-14 programs, choreographed by Julie Marcotte

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  1. Sylvia

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    Is there a 2013-14 Music/Program thread that I missed?
  3. Garden Kitty

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    Glad he's doing well and I wish them a successful and healthy season.
  4. olympic

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    So, music from 'Anastasia' for the SP and 'Casablanca' for the LP. I guess that might work ...
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    Thank heavens Sappenfield saw a need for someone else to choreograph their programs. Marcotte is becoming quite the "it girl" for pairs choreography, isn't she?
  6. arakwafan2006

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    She is and has a gorgeous point of view. I still think that Lori and Zueva are under used. I am just not a Camerlengo fan when it comes to pairs.
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    Denney in a pwetty princess role. What a match-made in heaven!
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    This is confusing because I searched her students and most of them have used a professional choreographer last year "Camerlengo" did their programs so?? not sure what the Thank Heavens is for. Marcotte is good but I fear over used soon all the programs for pairs will all look the same but I guess it is a flavor of the month thing.
    Still very excited to see what develops.
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  10. Sylvia

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    Well I think Denny would be more believable in the "pwetty princess role" than John as the dashing prince :p
  12. AxelAnnie

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    How very Tara Lipinski!

    I sure wish Alissa's recovery had gone as well!
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    So glad that John is healthy. I can't wait to see how these two interpret this music. They are such strong skaters and I look forward to seeing Casablanca on ice!
  14. olympic

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    I'm thinking that because the SP music will be 'Disney' rather than some angst-ridden piece regarding a 'missing' Russian princess, it won't be out of their league and we will all be safe :) . IMO, the music is a step up from war horses like 'Tosca' (electric guitar version) and that Spanish SP piece from last season. POTO and EOE weren't bad for them.
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    Anastasia is a cartoon movie, that Denney called "Disney" in the article, so that is clearly what they are going for. (The movie wasn't actually made by Disney though.) As AxelAnnie mentioned- Tara Lipinski skated to Anastasia, when she won the Olympics.

    Though there are a few dramatic songs in that movie, it will surely be 'pretty princess' and not angsty.
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    I don't think they are going for "Disney" if you look at this bit.
    I'm very curious to see this program. :)
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    This seems like very odd prep-work though. There are WAY better ways to research the history of Anastasia than watching the cartoon if you aren't going for that portrayal.

    The quote you pulled, it sounds like they took music from the movie, and changed it a bit- but it is still music from the movie.

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    I think I'm most interested in John's quote that describes the music as "very mature" and "very different". I wouldn't normally think about the soundtrack to Anastasia in those terms. Hopefully they've gone beyond the movie to understand the story, if that's what they are portraying.
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    Is any of this music powerful? I don't know why they'd want to go against type and do pwetty when they could both do powerful really well.
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    I sure hope they work hard on their posture (his especially) and expression or else Julie is going to be repackaging the same returned gift. It would help is Denney learned more facial expressions than SMILE! John is such a masculine powerful guy but its covert. A few reference points of great male skaters who were masculine but attentive to their female partner and still had power, expression and character; Hongbo Zhao, Anton Sikharulidze, David Pelletier, Sergri Grinkov to name a few. He could take a page from their books. This team has great skills no doubt but it stops there. They dont have a hallmark yet and to me thats what Sappenfields teams are missing. None of her pairs to me have great distinction.
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    And let's be honest Caydee is just not the pwetty princess type.
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    Because the judges like Sappenfield's choreography doesn't make her a good choreographer: it makes her a useful choreographer, just as V/T's and Ando's high CH and TR marks for rlatively empty programs don't make Morozov a good choreographer. The judges were enchanted by Bauil's Olympic programs, even that badly cut, vulgar FS program.

    Some programs need time and breaking in, but there's pressure to scrap things that don't get good immediate results or feedback. There's no guarantee that the judges would have rewarded later performances by D/C of Camerlengo's program, but, for strategic reasons, Sappenfield changed it, just like Morozov changed Takahashi's SP.
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    Friendly tip for quoting posts: make sure the [/QUOTE] end tag closes the portion of the post being quoted. :)

    ETA from the IN article:
    The Colorado Championships in Arvada, CO is usually held in early August - exact dates are not yet listed online that I can find. The preliminary dates for 2013 Champs Champ are Aug. 19-25.
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    For the SP, perhaps.

    For the Free Skate, which will be to the music from Casablanca, though? That has potential to be a serious trainwreck :scream:.

    Caydee Denney is no Ingrid Bergman, and John Coughlin is no Bogart, that's for sure. She has way too much Perk to capture the luminous, subtle sexiness of Ilsa Lung, and he definitely lacks the brooding, dark, cynical magnetism of Rick Blaine.

    If any Pairs team could pull of skating to Casablanca, IMO, it's V/T

    Quite frankly, I could see a Casablanca program being much more effective and successful in Ice Dance, with Tessa and Scott portraying Ilsa :glamor: and Rick :sekret:
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    end tag closes the portion of the post being quoted. :)

    ETA from the IN article:

    The Colorado Championships in Arvada, CO is usually held in early August - exact dates are not yet listed online that I can find. The preliminary dates for 2013 Champs Champ are Aug. 19-25.[/QUOTE]

    Sorry about the quote I posted and the website logged me out then I logged back in a continued to post as an answer to a quote as I do and if it messed up it was a website thing. It has never done that before that way so it was strange but not something I could have fixed sorry again.I will contact the web manager with the error.

    I had no idea Champs Camp was in August? I thought it was actually earlier to have to change a program in August would be horrible! If the judges and USFS are doing Champs Camp to help skater(s) finalize and approve a program it should FORSURE be held sooner!
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    ETA: Champs Camp used to be held in June (2007-2009) for all Team A and B envelope skaters, but was moved to August in 2010 when the focus shifted to the skaters who have Senior Grand Prix assignments.
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    Maybe Denney, Coughlin, and Gold could do a trio number to Schindler's List and :Dcheese:D their entire way through it together. :scream::shuffle:
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    Smart move to go ahead and get the surgery and sacrifice the season. I have wondered if Michelle had gone ahead and gotten surgery if her story would have played out differently. Racheal is another one who should go ahead and get it out of the way, but she has said not until her competitive career is over, which I guess is still up in the air.
  35. olympic

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    Slightly OT, but is John going to retire after Sochi? If so, what would Caydee do? I mean he was thinking about retirement back in 2011
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    :rofl: Sure he was.

    Who knows about John, or anyone. I think a lot of skaters make decisions in part based on whether they come out of the Olympic season encouraged or discouraged for what's ahead. In pairs, especially, the teams tend to stick around as longevity can play a big role. Who knows how far D/C will think they can get... I don't think some of their weaknesses are that fixable, but they can improve overall. They're still relatively new when you consider how many years the top pair skaters tend to be on the intl scene.
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  37. olympic

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    I was just going by his statements in 2011, but I see your point.

    In agreement somewhat over the opinion that some of their weaknesses aren't fixable - IMO, they don't have an 'it' factor which can never be learned and they don't seem to have a lot of natural speed. But, I think little things might go a far way, like Caydee could work on channeling the music through facial expressions, point her toes, better costuming (she looks good in black), toy with different, more flattering positions in lifts. I also think more time together might bring more confidence in the execution of their learned elements, and they may decide to step up the difficulty on the SBS jumps as they have a very high success rate on SBS 3 toes and 2x-2x sequences. Going to a new choreographer w/ decent music will reveal if that helps boost their PCS (where they fall behind the top teams the most)
  38. NadineWhite

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    Great news!!!!! :cheer2:

    Seriously, I LOVE everything Julie Marcotte has choreographed, especially her pairs programs for the Canadians (M-T/M's programs blew my mind this past season), best I've ever seen (la verdad)! :hat1:
  39. aftershocks

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    Ha ha, well, Aliona and Robin already accomplished successfully pulling off Casablanca in their break-out 2005 Worlds fp debut!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRioQnGihlo


    Yes, definitely I could also see V/T in pairs and V/M in ice dance taking on the iconic Casablanca roles (more than D/C), and perhaps exploring them in a different way than Aliona and Robin have already done. Especially, I think V/T with the right choreo could rock Casablanca out of the Sochi arena. Definitely, it will be interesting to discover what V/T and S/S and S come up with for the Olympic season. At the least, since V/T are the overwhelming anointed favorites for Sochi gold, I hope they challenge themselves to come up with something that is not just a walk-in-the park easy, aesthetically-pleasing as usual on the surface. :yawn:

    If D/C do end up skating to Casablanca, it's bound not to be not as interesting or have as much depth, but I'm sure they'll give it their all. As far as movie themes, I think D/C should think more outside-the-box to come up with something challenging, yes, but also more suited to their personas/ on-ice qualities.

    Denney/ Coughlin do not have a very dark, intense, romantic, mysterious vibe going on. But rather than Casablanca, maybe they could better make something noirish like Double Indemnity work for them (Barbara Stanwyck and Fred MacMurray):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4QlUh-axEE Double Indemnity Suite by Miklos Rozsa


    Or, mayhap something screwball comedic like: Bringing Up Baby (Kate Hepburn and Cary Grant):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygskb0Fq6yM I Can't Give You Anything But Love, Baby


    Okay, Caydee and John, why not try on Kate and Cary for size??? :)
  40. aftershocks

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    AFAIK, M-T/M's programs this past season were NOT choreographed by Julie Marcotte. OTOH, Marcotte did choreograph Duhamel/ Radford's and Castelli/ Shnapir's wonderful programs. M-T/M's choreographer is listed as Mark Pallay on Wiki.


    BTW, maybe there should be a poll in Trash Can as to whether or not figureit will ever ever learn how to close quote properly.

    And yes I know I've made a back-to-back post boo-boo, but that's certainly not as distracting as the quoting/ re-posting problems figureit causes.