Demi Moore Hospitalized for "Exhaustion"

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  1. Jot the Dot Dot

    Jot the Dot Dot Headstrong Buzzard

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    Should we feel sorry for Demi? Mixed bag. Reading the front page news, most take a snap judgement that it's another Celebrity Off Their Meds, etc. Then we read about a tragic childhood, and feel there's more than meets the eye. It's easy to feel sorry when it is something completely beyond their control (Canadian drummer Neil Peart losing his only child and wife within the span of 10 months), easy to raise eyebrows when it's another LiLo or Amy Winehouse. And since when was her medical history past or present public property?

    Peart wrote about his uneasiness with being in the public eye with his song "Limelight": http://www.elyrics.net/read/r/rush-lyrics/limelight-lyrics.html
     
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  2. topaz

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    I don't and have never believed that. Women are just as visual as men, its just we're more forgiving and look for more things than looks.

    The old men who move on to trophy wives to whom they can't do anything with. Viagra only does such much. But that's a whole another conversation. :lol:

    Also, I don't get the women who marry just for money/security. Its not 1864, women can make their own money and secure their own future without the help of a marriage. Nothing is for free, if you marry someone for money/security one may be giving up their personhood and independence.
     
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  3. smileyskate

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    If you heard the 911 phone call (I am still surprised it's not an invasion of privacy to do that), I hope that you all are sure to have a good old fashioned phone or whatever that you are CERTAIN provides all the location info to the dispatcher! If you have the phone from anywhere else check the phone book for the number to police/fire office-not 911 of course-to be sure they do have all the info. The dispatcher was transferring her daugher's call around, and one person was even asking her to spell where she lived. What if it was a senior who could not speak clearly or someone speaking in another language or hysterical? Also, I'd keep it plugged in the kitchen or other super obvious place that someone would look for a phone in case they need to call-or YOU need to call when you are in big trouble and can't see or think clearly, etc.. I hope so but can you be sure a cell will even remain charged in an emergency? Let's hope none of us ever have to be in a 911 situation.
    Enough rambling but I saw another post on this elsewhere so I wanted to help after I heard how long it took for Demi's daughter to even get it clear who was responsible for sending help. Skary.
     
  4. Japanfan

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    That is utter nonsense. Though I'm sure their is pseudo-science out there making that claim. Maybe the same pseud-scientists who claim that a biologically based drive to spread their seed is responsible for male promiscuity.

    Interesting, though, is some equally bad research arguing that men don't have the 'housework gene'. I remember an article saying this meant that actually couldn't see what housework needed to be done (though could see what needed doing in the yard).


    Also, I don't get the women who marry just for money/security. Its not 1864, women can make their own money and secure their own future without the help of a marriage. Nothing is for free, if you marry someone for money/security one may be giving up their personhood and independence.[/QUOTE]


    Yet the formula is still very much alive: female youth and beauty in exchange for male wealth and status. Obviously and sadly, some women still see the trade off as desirable. Who would Melania be if she hadn't married Donald Trump? The lifestyle she has may be a fair exchange for her independence and personhood, in her eyes.

    Course she may not always feel that way, especially if she is discarded and replaced with another younger trophy wife. But she can probably get all the plastic surgery she needs to make Trump happy for a very long time.


    And this is okay because it satisfies men's visual senses?
     
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  5. Japanfan

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    Not having enough money or access to needed resources makes people unhappy, but the converse isn't true - unlimited money and access to resources doesn't make people happy. It's possible to be wealthy, famous and totally unhappy/messed up. Marlon Brando talked about that in his last TV interview with Larry King, pointing out that despite his huge wealth, he'd been miserable most of his life.
     
  6. duane

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    That's my point.
     
  7. Prancer

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    If men were truly interested in nothing but looks, there would be a lot more male celibates.

    How has Melania traded her independence and personhood any more than any other married woman? If you marry an older, wealthier man, are you by definition not an independent person any more? If you marry a younger, poorer man, are you by definition a cougar?

    I find it rather breathtaking that one person would take it upon herself to declare than another person has surrendered her personhood simply by virtue of marriage. Even if she married Trump for his money and no other reason, she is still a person in her own right.
     
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  8. Japanfan

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    Not necessarily, but I would say that it is often part of the trade-off. If your beauty is your primary currency, you may have accept that you are being objectified which in itself contradicts with personhood. If youth is your currency as well, you'd better stay looking young.

    Have you seen how Trump treats women on the Apprentice? He does seem able to compartmentalize his views in the sense that he has respect for women in business, but his sexism clearly comes through at times. As does his stature as a person of authority. I don't think challenging that authority with an independent mind and attitude is what Trump wants in a trophy wife.

    Not necessarily, again. I'm not real fond of the word cougar and to be frank, am not sure what it means. But to give an example, I know of a woman in her 60s, who looks her age, who just married and imported a lover from Jamaica 30 years her junior. I think that would qualify her as cougar?

    Breathtaking?

    You flatter me.

    And as I'm sure you know, many women have sacrificed their personhood for marriage.
     
  9. BittyBug

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    I'm not necessarily a fan of The Donald, but if you've read any interview with either Ivana or Melania, they are both extremely intelligent, well-educated, spirited women. I think you make a lot of assumptions about them just because of the age gap and their physical appearance.
     
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    In theory, maybe, although I would only accept such a judgment from such a woman herself. I don't know how anyone could determine that another person does or does not have personhood.

    ITA. What else is there to go on?
     
  11. nubka

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    WORD! :respec:
     
  12. nubka

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    You are totally clueless. :wall:
     
  13. kwanfan1818

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    A number of my former co-workers did and our insurance paid/pays for it. Lowly developers and marketing people, for example. Many more in the emergency room thinking they were about to have a heart attack, though.

    I thought that's what fancy spas were for. Being in a hospital, even the nice ones, is no fun and games.

    What confused me about the "Star" article was that she was being treated for anorexia. Would doctors be able to diagnose it so early, if it was supposedly set off by her separation? If she were at a normal slender weight, could it have created seizures this early?
     
  14. Japanfan

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    Correct. I have made assumptions.

    I've no doubt that Melania is intelligent and spirited. A man like Trump can find a woman who is smart as well as beautiful. But I do think that a trade-off is required to marry Trump . The prescription of beauty in exchange for money has limitations and when your beauty is the currency that gets you luxury and status, there is usually a trade-off. Trump has power and authority, and he needs adoration. I think it is fair to say that he is not looking for an equal partner. Not to mention, one of the problems with a much younger partner, for both men and women, is an inequality of life experience. When a man of 70 marries a woman of 25, there is an obvious gap in life experience.
     
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    As a side comment, I looked at my boarding pass for the ferry from Vancouver Island to Tsawassen (on my way home to Vancouver), it said "COUGAR". I thought that might be the name of the ferry, but when they did the "You may be asked to abandon ship..." safety announcement, they called it the Coastal Celebration. Hmmmm...