Demi Moore Hospitalized for "Exhaustion"

Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by overedge, Jan 25, 2012.

  1. Judy

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    I strongly disagree with this. Depression is a chemical imbalance and should not be minimized or made fun of. I have no idea what Demi Moore's medical condition is but please do not minimize a condition that you obviously do not know enough about.
     
  2. modern_muslimah

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    I think skatingfan was using sarcasm to criticize danceronice for making light of depression. I don't think skatingfan was making light of his/her grandfather's suicide.
     
  3. numbers123

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    It seems that some have difficultly with Demi spending time honing her body and looks as if it is a useless effort. Her profession requires her to not only have some skills in acting but to maintain a BODY THAT THE PUBLIC wants to see. Do we really know that she wants to put that much effort into it? Unless you are a close friend or family member, I suspect not. It is your interpretation of her actions.

    Do you or would you criticize anyone who takes what might be a prestigious research or professor position in their many hours of reading, creating work processes and neglect their physical or mental health?

    Depression, anorexia, self medicating with illegal substances or even legal substances without doctor supervision, occurs at every level of the socioeconomic level. No family is immune to it - some families have a higher incidence of it. True chemical imbalance is difficult to overcome and doi if you really did great kudos to you, but the majority of people do not without appropriate interventions.

    The bigger issue, I believe, is the lack of appropriate healthcare in relationship to mental illnesses. Healthcare insurance companies must recognize how difficult it is to treat since they are very stringent in what type of care and the cap on care they will provide. If they capped cancer treatments or cardiovascular treatments like they do mental illnesses the outrage would be incredible.

    We the paying public, created a successful financial background for Demi to be able to pay for her care. If we don't like the preferential treatment we perceive her receiving, then whose fault is that?
     
  4. mag

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    Numbers, I don't have a problem with Demi being able to pay form the best possible care. I think it is great. I do wish everyone had access to that quality and quantity of care. What I object to is the notion that her money has no affect on her care or her chances for recovery. Money does help. I don't see anything wrong noting that fact anymore than noting that a lack of money hinders homeless people's medical care and their chances of recovery. Unfortunately, that is just the way it is.
     
  5. numbers123

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    Healthcare access for mental illness sucks and especially for the poor, uninsured, under-insured or burden by the outdated insurance system that refuses to recognize that mental illnesses can be treated.. But that is a discussion for PI.
     
  6. leesaleesa

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    What you said.

    So Demi makes more money than most of us do. She worked for it. How does that make her any less deserving of a little compassion?

    I always thought she and Bruce Willis had a real connection, even though they divorced. It would be sort of awesome if they explored it again.
     
  7. orbitz

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    Bruce is currently married. What kind of "connection" are you suggesting Bruce should explore with Demi ?
     
  8. leesaleesa

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    Oops. That's what happens when you mix up your celebrities. I thought he was divorced.
     
  9. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    Is Demi Moore filthy rich?

    Yes.

    Can she afford to take time out and hire the best therapists?

    Yes.

    It doesn't change the fact that whether we accept ourselves, whether we believe that we deserve to be loved, is something absolutely central to our well-being.

    Research has consistently shown that money does not buy happiness and well-being.

    Demi has to deal with her shit just like we all do. :drama:
     
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  10. agalisgv

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    fwiw, it never even occurred to me that someone would ever consider you unattractive, ziggy. or unintelligent.

    just my .02 :)
     
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  11. FiveRinger

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    Bruce Willis is remarried and his current wife is expecting.
     
  12. BelleBway

    BelleBway a monkey stole my title

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    One can do a million damn things in the day- even crack jokes- and still suffer from depression underneath it all. Depression does not necessarily entail having time to sit around wallowing in self pity. :rolleyes:

    Bitter, much? :shuffle:

    Money does not equal a happy, perfect life; it obviously makes some things easier but it's not the be-all and end-all.
     
  13. modern_muslimah

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    Me neither. :)
     
  14. MacMadame

    MacMadame Cat Lady-in-Training

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    As the mother of a son with clinical depression and the granddaughter of a man who killed himself, I just want to say that danceronice's posts are beyond moronic.
     
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  15. Ziggy

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    Watch and learn kids, don't get anywhere near near a PC when :nopryde:.

    :p
     
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  16. ribbon

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    http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/

    Here's a take on depression I thought was very good. It's not easy to "get over it" -- I feel empathy for anyone that goes through it, no matter how much or little money they have.
     
  17. Jenny

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    I consider someone whose name is widely recognized and who has worked solidly for the past 25 years, with credits that include box office smashes, critical acclaim for her performances, award nominations/wins, recurring tv roles and more to come to be successful. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001287/

    Really? Your posting history indicates otherwise.
     
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  18. made_in_canada

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    Hmmm. Interesting. You clearly must be some mutant of a human being because in my experiences with multiple therapists, doctors, psychiatrists, they've all been pretty adamant that depression isn't something you just get over. Ever. Besides, "dealing with it" does not mean the problem doesn't exist or is fixed.

    You know, being really busy is a great way to avoid actually dealing with things. The purpose of drugs is not to make you happy, it's to enable FUNCTIONING. Depression isn't about not having a life full of "rainbows and butterflies and constant positive affirmations". If that's your impression I doubt you were actually depressed. However, judging from your posts I'm thinking there's a whole lot of denial going on.
     
  19. Ziggy

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    Congrats on one of the most stupid, insensitive and offensive posts ever posted on FSU, danceronice.

    No, people can't simply choose to get over their mental illness.

    Of course in order to get better, you need to want it and you need to fight for it but the process is difficult, long, complex and usually involves a lot of therapy and in some cases medication is necessary as well.
     
  20. WindSpirit

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    I utterly and totally disagree with this. Unless one is a reality TV star and nothing else (like the Kardashians, for example). Basically when selling their private life is their job. Then I guess they can't complain if people are demanding to show them everything. But a normal person would back out even then. As a fellow human being I have no problem understanding that everyone needs privacy sometimes. Especially when they're going through a rough patch. That's why when asking for privacy people often use the words "out of respect." Can't stand the Kardashians, but I would give them that, too, if they asked for it. Out of respect.

    Now, if one is an actor, dancer, singer, sportsman, etc., someone who's in the public eye because of their skills/job, they owe the public what they do at/for work and maybe some autographs later. Their private life is their private life. If they decide to share some of it, great, if they want to keep the rest out of the public eye, that's their damn right. Just because you paid $10 for a movie ticket or even $100 for a show, they don't owe you anything more than you paid for. Their private life is, just like yours, to be shared with others at their own discretion. So if they do, be grateful (if you're interested) or bored (if you're not), if they don't, don't demand it or ridicule them for it. Unless their private life is what they're selling. But like said, even then...

    I would never expect any celebrity to give me the time of their day when they're out of work. Or share anything about their private life beside what they want to be sharing.

    Having said that, I don't get the fascination with other people's private lives, famous or not. And at times when they're hurting? Guess what? We all look the same.
     
  21. Southpaw

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    I dunno, Zig. The argument could be made that this particular honor could go to you for that remarkably insensitive and borderline cruel bullshit you pulled in the "Merry Christmas FSUers!" thread last month.

    Danceronice thinks depression is stupid and useless and you think Christmas is stupid and useless. So is a comment only insensitive, offensive and stupid if it offends you personally?

    Sorry about all that crap you put yourself through last night. I think you are a nice guy at the bottom of it all and I sincerely wish that one day you will be able to break through all the bullshit that is holding you back in life. If you have not yet read it may I suggest the novel "Demian" by Hermann Hesse? ;)

    Back to Demi, at least she is getting help before she started hitting the Redi-Whip cans.
     
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  22. orbitz

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    The line gets blurred when actors are heavy tweeter user and tweet constantly what's going on in their lives and their thoughts. Both Demi and Ashton were heavy twitters.
     
  23. WindSpirit

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    Doesn't matter. Like I said, everyone's private life is to be shared at their own discretion. If celebrities are heavy twitters, great for those who are interested. If they stop, bummer, but they don't owe the public anything more than the public paid for (in case of Demi and Ashton, their movies/TV show etc.). If they decide to share their private life, it's a gift, not a contract. They can stop anytime. For a day, for a week, forever. It's up to them to start or stop. Anytime they choose.

    That's my take on it. And seeing how demanding people can be, I couldn't be more happy that I'm not a celebrity.
     
  24. Southpaw

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    From today's Daily News:

    Demi Moore Meltdown

    So divorce and the death of her "mother" in the space of a couple of months. No wonder she was hitting the whip-its.
     
  25. Civic

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    I had no idea her childhood was so traumatic. A mother with substance abuse issues and a criminal record. A biological father who skipped town before she was born. A stepfather who committed suicide. She had a lot of strikes against her but has still managed to forge a successful career. Here's hoping she can channel that same determination into tackling her demons and coping with her divorce.

     
  26. topaz

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    I feel bad for Demi. I've read articles about her before. She was always the "mother" in her relationship with her mom. I think being the rock of one's family eventually takes its toll on a person.
     
  27. duane

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    I remember the early stories about Demi. As the "hot" brat-packer, she went thru a series of men (each one a financial upgrade over the previous one) until she hit the jackpot with mega-star, mega-rich Bruce Willis.

    I guess today, her preferences in men are youth and brawn. More power to her, but with a young, hot husband (whose bank account isn't too shady either, who has young hotties throwing themselves at him on a daily basis) in a town where it's all about looks, did she really think happlily ever after?

    I don't feel good about Demi, but I don't feel bad for her either. Her marriage failed. Join the club of millions of women. Unlike Demi, many of these women have to deal with the many problems of divorce (depression, anger, lawyers, court battles, custody issues...) without the financial means of a Demi Moore. Sail around the world. Buy another town. Rent some Ashton-look-alike escorts. Go shopping with the Housewives of Beverly Hills.
     
  28. topaz

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    Why not? Older men have been doing it for years, dating and marrying younger women and folks don't assume that they are going to leave them for a younger man. I think women with younger husbands violate social norms and thus suffer from social sanctions than their male counterparts.

    Hugh Jackman is married to a woman 13 years older than he; They've been married 16 years.
     
  29. Ziggy

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    If Christmas = nightmare for you, then what feels insensitive and cruel is all the Xmas cheer bullshit, which is everywhere and can't be avoided. :scream:

    But yes, you do have a point, of course.

    What is stupid is thinking that you can simply "snap out" of a mental illness. Because you obviously can't. And that's why a great deal of resources goes into research and clinical practice. If telling somebody to "just deal with it" worked, it wouldn't really be necessary.

    And it's offensive because it blames people who suffer from mental disorders, suggesting it's somehow their own fault.
     
  30. duane

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    Men are more visual than women. Younger women who marry much older men often do so for money/security. In Hollywood, it seems that it's usually the older husbands who leave the marriage. Once the trophy wives age, the husbands look for new-and-improved, younger trophies.