Delta/JFK THREW OUT Skates

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  1. Skittl1321

    Skittl1321 Well-Known Member

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    Security cannot agree to mail everyone's thing to them, it's not an option. You can mail things to YOURSELF, if you are prepared for the situation.

    For me, a plane ticket costs more than my skates, so I'd let the skates go. I might even ask if I could just unscrew the blades and throw them away... boots aren't dangerous. I keep a small screwdriver in my skate bag. I know elite skaters for whom their skates are much more valueable, in which case they probably would have gotten out of line to check the skates and hoped they could get back in time for the flight.

    If the line was really a 2-hour wait, she shouldn't have chanced it, but even still, she could have gone back and checked the skates, and done her best to get back through in time for her flight. Generally- if you let the people in front of you know you have a flight already boarding, they let you through. A 2-hour wait is quite atrocious, and many people probably did miss their flights, as I believe airlines tell you to get to the airport 1 hour ahead of time.

    The thing is, even things that are on the permitted are left to the whim of TSA agents, and the TSA website says that. Skates are a gray area already, since they are in neither list. If the TSA policy makes it "clear" that you can't know what to expect, why would you attempt to get through with something most people are shocked is ever allowed. Skates have a sharp blade on them. When left to an individual decision, most individuals will decide it is dangerous, regardless if it has a guard on it. Guards are pretty easy to remove!
     
  2. Skittl1321

    Skittl1321 Well-Known Member

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    The TSA has a complain form available.

    From http://blog.tsa.gov/2009/09/what-happens-to-your-prohibited-items.html
    If she was not given the option to properly take care of her item, she should complain here: https://contact.tsa.dhs.gov/talktotsa/talktotsa.aspx
     
  3. Doubletoe

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    Aster is absolutely right. On international flights, ice skates still need to be in checked luggage, but within the United States, TSA *DOES* allow ice skates in carry-on luggage (this has been true for several years now).

    I carry my skates on board once or twice a year from LAX, which is one of the higher security airports. To avoid surprises, I always print out the two TSA webpages Aster posted links to, including the list of prohibited items and the sporting goods page showing a photo of an ice skate among other ALLOWED carry-on items (this picture has really helped me at the airport!). I go to the airport a little early and take the skates and the TSA website print-outs to the TSA supervisor on duty before checking my luggage (the TSA supervisor is near the check-in counters, not past the security checkpoint, so it's very convenient). I have the TSA supervisor stamp or sign my TSA print-out next to the picture of the ice skate, then I bring the papers and skates with me through security in my carry-on luggage. I never have a problem.

    Regardless of the official TSA rule, the decision is still ultimately up to the TSA supervisor on duty, so give yourself plenty of time and have a backup plan for checking your skates, just in case you don't get approval.
     
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  4. Anita18

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    My skates were not that expensive, but blades and boots combined were $800 and I would miss my flight and go 12 hours on standby in LAX again if it was between that and throwing my skates away. I'm not paid at work that much!

    I flew AirTran and when I missed my flight (which was totally my fault), they didn't charge me to reschedule. I did have to go 12 hours on standby in LAX and nearly lose my mind in the process. :p
     
  5. leafygreens

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    First of all, skates are not against TSA rules. Second, the TSA would have to arrest me (and I'd gladly go to jail, then file a lawsuit) if they threw away my $1000 skates. They would have to pry them from my cold dead hands before they ever saw a garbage can.

    I agree that it's her responsibility to either check them or mail them, but if she was not allowed the option of getting out of line to do so, then that is WRONG!!!!
     
  6. zaphyre14

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    Nobody's saying she "wasn't allowed" to get out of the line to deal with the skates. From the information given, she ALLOWED the TSA to toss the skates rahter than face the incovenience of her other options and possibly risk missing her flight. The TSA people don't care whether passengers make or miss their flights; they're just doing their jobs of inspecting baggage.

    I had a pair of emboidery scissors confiscated once (I forgot they were in the needlwork kit I'd stuffed in at the last minute to have something to do between connections and they showed up on the x-ray).. The TSA person gave me the option of putting them in my checked bag, but since I'd already checked it and it had vanished into the netherregions of the airport, I allowed the TSA to toss the scissors. If they'd been something valuable like my great-grandmother's gold-plated antique stork-head scissors, I might have considered other options like mail but as it was, they went into the bin and I bought a new pair at my destination. No big deal.
     
  7. GarrAarghHrumph

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    Are you now asking the TSA agent to know the price of the various items they check, and to make a judgment re: which are worth saving and which should be tossed? Are you saying that a TSA agent should know the difference between a $15 pair of skates from Toys R Us, and a $1000 custom Harlick? Or that they should go on the person's say-so?

    What about items that have little monetary value, but large sentimental value?

    Should the TSA add staff so they can handle the storage, processing and mailing of hundreds of packages at each airport? What about items that require special handling, or cannot be mailed? What if something is damaged or lost in this process - who is responsible?

    In other words, you say that throwing out personal belongings is improper - so what are their realistic alternatives?
     
  8. Bev Johnston

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    Whoa!!! Don't tempt the fates!! :lol:

    Before the TSA ban on carrying skates on board in 2001, I had a pair that I would check and then *hope and pray* that the airline would lose my luggage. I hated those things, but they were fairly new and I couldn't justify buying new skates when I hadn't had them very long.

    Now I always check my skates just to avoid the potential hassles, and hope and pray that the airline DOESN'T lose my luggage.
     
  9. misskarne

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    I absolutely agree with you. I think it's plain simple common sense.

    You are not allowed to bring knives onto a plane. You are not allowed to bring anything sharp onto a plane. So why does anyone think a 10-inch piece of sharpened metal with a nasty-looking toepick should be allowed on the plane?!

    I went domestic Canberra to Melbourne and back again a few days ago, and I didn't even think about it; the skates went straight in the checked luggage. Was I nervous they would get lost? Hell yes. I was terrified. But I didn't even bother checking the regs to see if they were allowed in hand luggage. It just made sense to me that they wouldn't allow them in the cabin.

    No sympathy for this situation tbh.
     
  10. Stormy

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    But skates ARE allowed. Skate blades and knives aren't the same thing. If you look here, skates are not on the banned list and are even show in the photo of allowed items- http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/assistant/editorial_1038.shtm

    Granted, if you get a surly TSA agent who doesn't know the rules, you're probably SOL. I am traveling from Boston to Salt Lake City by way of Baltimore on Monday and you bet my skates are coming in my carry on.
     
  11. Skittl1321

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    The rules, on the site that you linked, are that the TSA agent gets to make the final decision, regardless of what lists say.
     
  12. julieann

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    I took my skates on a carry on bag; I had the skate guards on and both blades locked together and I had no trouble. This was also with Delta. I guess it depends on what TSA you walk up to.
     
  13. FSWer

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    Ok. I am not an expert here. But it seems to me that if NO SKATER can board a plane with their skates. OR...AT LEAST be able to TRUST an AIRLINE with skates.....there's something wrong!!! There surely needs to be a change in pollicy (sorry if that's spelled wrong). Skaters should be able to keep their skates in the overhead compartment wrapped up. Were they know they'll be safe. Here's another thing too....and I am surprised the airlines or anyone for that matter hasn't thought of this. But if were talking about skates covered with...Gaurds OR even Soakers. Even if a medal Detector CAN penatrate. Sercurity shouldn't need worry. As that's one reason why Skaters put them on...However if were talking uncovered blades. Then there should be no reason why skaters can't just cover the blades and walk right through. But I'm sure nothing will change untill the airlines get sued by a skater for the above (throwing out skates or etc.).
     
  14. Skittl1321

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    The reason is that blades can easily be UNCOVERED should someone want to use their skate blades as a weapon.


    I can see why TSA would be concerned, but it's ridiculous that it isn't just stated one way or the other. The "I get to make up the rules as I go along" is their clearly written rule, and that just doesn't help.



    I do have a question for the poster who said the blades were locked together- for what reason? Was the way to unlock them in your checked luggage? And if it was- wouldn't losing that be the same as losing your skates? (And if it was in your carry on- then what's the point?)
     
  15. FSWer

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    Are we saying that the BOOT PART can be bought on. But NOT the BLADE? I can understand people possibly using blades as a weapon. But...GIVE ME A BREAK!!! If skaters have their skates in a bag...and even if not. If blades a covered. I'd find it awfully hard to even get the time to uncover skates. For that matter. When was the last time a real professional Skater used her skates as a weapon? The main point here is that Skaters should be able to go on a plane and not have anything thown out.
     
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  16. julieann

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    The reason the TSA has a problem with skates being brought on board is the presumed threat the blades may cause. Even though anyone can just get a glass champaign glass from first class and break it, or a piece or silver wear, or a pen...etc and use that as a weapon.

    The reason for locking the blades together with the guards on is because no one can get the guards off without unlocking it. The perceved threat is now gone so they let me on with them. Unless you want to beat someone over the head with my skates, but it's highly unlikely. Some hard ass TSA still may see it as a threat but I haven't had a problem so far, and with it being in my carry-on I'm not concerned about loss. They only cost less than $50.00 anyway.
     
  17. Skittl1321

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    Yes, I get the idea that locking the blades with guards on makes them so that the blade can't be used as a weapon.

    My question was- where did you have the key to unlock the blades? Because if it was in your carry on, there is no actual risk reduction, because you could just unlock them should you happen to be an ice skating terrorist, but if it were in your checked luggage (so you can't unlock the skates midflight) then wouldn't losing the checked luggage have the same effect as if you had checked the skates? You wouldn't be able to use them until the luggage is found, because they are locked together.
     
  18. julieann

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    My bags are in the cabin with me so there is no risk of lost luggage. My skates were locked with a bike lock, similar to this but smaller. They can be locked with anything I guess but keys and I don't mix :rofl: I lose keys all the time and the skates would have been rendered useless anyway.
     
  19. Skittl1321

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    Okay- so if you were a terrorist, you could just unlock them?

    So like most things TSA does- it's just false security...
     
  20. julieann

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    That terrorist would have to be a pretty good at guessing the combination, I guess if the flight were long enough :rofl: and if I allowed a STRANGER to dig though my luggage! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
     
  21. Skittl1321

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    If YOU were the terrorist. You know your own combination and have access to your own luggage. I don't think a terrorist is likely to dig through your own luggage- s/he'll bring what s/he needs in their own.
     
  22. julieann

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    I guess they figure if they are locked they are safer then not. I don't make the rules I'm just passing on what worked for me.
     
  23. FigureSpins

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    I've never heard of someone padlocking/cable locking blades together. It's ineffective for anything other than a minor theft deterrent, imo. It would be good at a public session if you had to leave the skates alone for a bit. It might discourage someone from stealing them impulsively, but if they really want those $80 skates, they can just steal them and clip the lock/cable later.

    I suspect that the woman whose skates were confiscated in the OP didn't have hard guards on the blades. I'm sure julieann's guards are why they let her bring her skates on the plane, not the over-the-top security system, lol. I said before, JFK/Delta screening let me bring TWO pairs of skates on board. I was up front about what I was carrying in my zippered bag and both pairs had the guards secured with zip ties and the soakers covering those. (Mainly so I didn't lose the soakers.)

    I think it's mostly how the skater handles the situation at the gate, what the security level du jour is, and how tired the agent is that determines whether or not they let you bring them as carry-on.

    Make sure the guards are secured to prevent the skates hurting someone should they fall out of the overhead.
    (They can't take your word for it that you'll put them under your seat.)

    Someone has said that they go to the security supervisor first and explain why they have the skates. I just told the screening agent "I'm a figure skating coach and I have two pairs of figure skates in this bag." I unzipped the bag, sent it through on its own into the xray machine. I had the TSA brochure in the same bag, but never needed to use it. I had my PSA and USFSA coach card handy, just in case they needed proof. No one asked.

    I don't think they really care how much our skates cost. I don't know what TSA Agents make annually, but telling them that I wear $1,200 skates might make them resentful and it comes across as bragging. Better to just be quiet unless they ask about cost.

    Explain that you're going to a competition/show/etc. where you need THESE skates to perform, so you want to keep them with you on board. Offer to gate-check them with the cabin attendants.

    If you don't need the skates immediately for your destination, check them.
    It's so much easier than hauling them around and worrying about what might happen at the gate.

    . A swipe of WD40 on each blade will prevent rust.
    . Use guards/ties with the soakers over both, just so the blades are protected well from being tossed about.
    . To protect from bad weather or handling, put each skate inside a clear plastic bag.
    . Label each skate and the bag multiple times with your name and destination address.
    . A note about needing the skates in (destination) would be smart to drive home the point of "these have to get there when I arrive."

    I wonder if there's insurance for lost skates? Maybe homeowner's or automobile policy or a travel certificate might cover them?
    Not that that's the ideal situation ... if you need your skates when you get there, money six months later doesn't help much.
    I know that the airlines compensate if they lose something, so take a picture and save your receipts, but it might not cover the replacement cost, especially if you bought them a while ago or if they were a bargain.
     
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  24. aliceanne

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    I suppose that skate blades could be detached and used as a weapon, but it would be awkward. I've always heard the best weapon if you are attacked by terrorists on a plane is a baseball in a long sock. Do they allow you to bring baseballs on a plane?

    You can't guarantee anyone 100% safety in every situation. I think not allowing people to bring common household items and sports equipment in carry-on is a pointless inconvenience.
     
  25. GarrAarghHrumph

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    As FigureSpins noted, telling the TSA agent the worth of the item wouldn't help. Some swords are worth well over the amount that any custom boot/blade combo could cost, and saying that the sword is worth that much isn't going to get it on the plane. It's not about the worth of the item; it's about what the item is. A $5 sword or a $5,000 sword is still a sword, and likewise, it doesn't matter if your skates are worth $1,200 or $120.
     
  26. misskarne

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    Actually, in Australia, skates are NOT allowed. But it's a common sense thing. It's a bit of sharpened metal. Regardless of whether it is covered or not, it's a bit of sharpened metal. Common sense dictates they're going to be hesitant anyway.
     
  27. FigureSpins

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    Yes, someone said that carry-on skates are not allowed on planes in Australia and several other countries.

    The debate in this thread is about the policy in the US. It's basically up to the TSA agents on duty at the moment the skater brings the skates through the security screening area.

    The TSA really needs to just make a consistent policy and the airlines need to get rid of the checked bag charges in this case.
     
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  28. purple skates

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    I just travelled from Detroit to Salt Lake City and back for the US Adult Nationals (on Delta, although that has no bearing on the TSA security lines). I had absolutely no problems taking my skates on the plane as a carry on. In Detroit I asked the TSA agent where they check your ID if it would be a problem to carry them on and he said no.

    In Salt Lake City I actually had two pairs in my carry on because I bought a new pair from a vendor there. Once again they didn't even bat an eye at them. I did, however, get a random draw to have my shoes put through an x-ray. :rofl:

    Nobody else on my flights had a problem either. There were several skaters on each flight.
     
  29. Artifice

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    Since 9/11 rules have changed for obvious security reasons. Everything that can be considered as a weapon is banished as a carry on in a plane. A skate blade can definitely be considered as a weapon.

    Skates should be put in the luggage. One may still want to carry them in the plane but it is at his own risk and responsability toward the security employee who can forbid them.
     
  30. Clarice

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    I had no trouble, either, carrying my skates to and from Salt Lake City. In Chicago, my bag was taken aside and rescanned - but it wasn't because of the skates in it. It was because of the Stinkeez in my boots! I packed them in my checked luggage on the way home, and the agents in SLC didn't even blink at the skates.