Delta/JFK THREW OUT Skates

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  1. dbny

    dbny New Member

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    Not sure where this should go, but it really only affects skaters, so I'm putting it here. Moderators, please move or repost on anther forum for a wider audience, as you see fit.

    An adult skater I know showed up with new skates today and told me why. She was flying from NY to FL, and thought she could carry her skates on. The line for the security checkpoint was 2 hrs long, and when she got to the front, they said the blades were sharp and she couldn't carry them on. They then took the skates and threw them out right before her eyes! Luckily, they were not expensive skates/blades, but even so! Since many of us fly with skates, I thought I should remind us all that the TSA is capricious, and you risk your skates if you try to carry them on.
     
  2. Sierra

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    :eek: WHAT?? How is that legal?!
     
  3. coskater

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    Denver Airport clearly states no skates! Pack them in your checked luggage and arrive at the airport in a timely manner...how hard is that?:eek:
     
  4. Skittl1321

    Skittl1321 Well-Known Member

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    But not all airports say that. That said, I have only carried on skates if I knew I had time to go check them if necessary.

    I am very sad for this skater, but are you sure she wasn't given the opportunity to save her skates by going back and checking them, but she made the decision not to because she would have missed her flight?
     
  5. dbny

    dbny New Member

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    It's great that they are clear about it. The problem is that many airports/airlines are not, and so people get tempted to carry them on.
     
  6. overedge

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    They aren't clear? The ban on skates in carryons has been in place for several years AFAIK, and it's a TSA ban, not a ban by some airports/airlines and not others.
     
  7. GarrAarghHrumph

    GarrAarghHrumph I can kill you with my brain

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    The way this works is that she had the following choices:

    - Go back and check her bag, then go through security again (which may have caused her to miss her flight), or

    - Go back and mail her skates to herself, then go through security again (which may have caused her to miss her flight), or

    - Go through security without those skates, in which case yes, they would have been thrown away.

    But this was her choice. She chose to continue through security.


    I used to carry on my skates before 9/11. Now, I check them.
     
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  8. aster

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    No it's not. The TSA, as a national policy, allows skates in carry-on luggage (the ban was over-turned a few years ago). The problem is that, like with all TSA policy, the final decisions are left up to individual airports and agents.
     
  9. steve skater

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    In the dozen or so times flying with skates out of NYC airports, I have never had a problem bringing my skates on a carry-on. The only issue I have had was out of Newark, when a screener called over her supervisor, who then pulled me aside, made me take all my stuff out of my suitcase (ugh), took some residue swabs, and then visually inspected my skates (I do have 12" blades, so they must have really popped out on the X-ray!).

    LaGuardia seems the most easygoing. I just took my skates onboard 2 weekends ago with nary a problem. I even asked the screener, and he flat out said that they were allowed.
    As always, YMMV. ;)
     
  10. overedge

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    I looked on the TSA website and it seemed to indicate that skates can only go in checked luggage.
     
  11. Bunny Hop

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    It's probably worthwhile to point out here that outside the USA, you will almost certainly have to check your skates, as many other countries specifically include ice skates in the list of items not allowed in cabin baggage.

    For example, see the UK Regulations here (scroll down to section on sporting equipment). You can assume the rest of Europe is the same.
    Similarly, the Australian regulations also specifically mention ice skates as being prohibited.

    If you pack your skates well, preferably in a hard suitcase, and padded by lots of clothing, they should be fine. And as someone has already said, if your bags are well labelled and you arrive at the airport in plenty of time for your flight (and you have allowed plenty of time for any connecting flights, where applicable), there really is minimal risk of your bags being lost or even delayed. In many years of travelling internationally I've yet to lose any luggage. The worst that has happened is that a couple of times it's arrived home a few hours after me!
     
  12. aster

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    Sports Equipment

    Prohibited Items

    Skates aren't listed on either.

    What I said comes directly from a phone call to the TSA (a few years ago) about the policy, which granted is a little vague on the website and has caused a few issues at times. I have flown with my skates in carry-on many times, in many different airports, and only had problems once (at an airport where I had previously taken them through security). I always put them in my hard guards (which I do when I check them, too) and leave enough time to check the bag and go through security again if there is a problem.
     
  13. FigureSpins

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    I took two pairs onboard last May from JFK without a problem. I put the guards on and used twist-ties to secure them in place.

    There is no ban on skates at JFK, but it's not a major skating mecca like Colorado.
     
  14. Jenna

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    This is outrageous. They should have, at the very least, agreed to mail them to her. I would file a law suit.
     
  15. Cheylana

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    I guess I'll add this to my long list of reasons not to fly Delta out of JFK - they make the experience as difficult and miserable as possible; I regret it every time!!!

    That said, I don't understand why she didn't just backtrack and check the skates with her luggage??
     
  16. FigureSpins

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    She could have asked to gate-check the skates, that's what the people with golf clubs and tennis rackets usually do.

    Why did plan to take the skates on board in the first place?
    She was going on vacation and was checking bags anyway, why not stick them in a save yourself the trouble of carrying them around?
     
  17. JadeDixon

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    Thanks for reminding me, again, of why I don't compete if I can't drive to the competition...
     
  18. Stormy

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    I've been flying with my skates, pre and post 9/11 for over 10 years. I've been asked to check them ONCE, and that was in Atlanta (a place I've gotten them through several times before). No other airport has had any issues. Sometimes the TSA asks to see them but most times they go right through. I actually got asked to look at them more times before 9/11 in Boston than after it. They ARE allowed in carry on luggage, but it's a YMMV with the TSA person you get.

    Once I was flying with my old synchro team to Nationals from BOS to Grand Rapids through Detroit. I kinda made a stink since they made us check all our skates. Lo and behold, a teammate's skates were lost and she never got them back. Had to skate in someone else's skates at Nationals. *told them so*
     
  19. zaphyre14

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    I always check my skates and I've never lost them; in fact, I think I can count on one hand the people I know whose checked skates didn't arrive with them - and then they got the skates within a day of landing. Considering the hundreds of competitors I know that fly to and from competitions, I think the odds of losing checked skates are pretty slim.

    Besides, I only like to carry-on the stuff I'm going to need during the flight and in between if I'm chenging planes somewhere - books, glasses, snacks, etc. I'm going to need my skates on the plane so carrying them - and taking up space with them in the cabin - isn't necessary, IMO
     
  20. Skittl1321

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    People with golf clubs and tennis rackets are generally noticeable though- it would be impossible to get golf clubs, and tough to get a tennis racket into a standard size carry on, so they gate check because they can't carry on. Skates, however, can slip unnoticed into a regular bag, and this particular TSA agent was worried about them being used as a weapon. If that was the intention (and I'm sure it was not, here) then even though you say you'll declare them to the airline, it doesn't mean you actually will.


    As for the person saying TSA should mail them back- they don't with anything else they confiscate, why would they with these. People who travel with very expensive knitting needles usually travel with stamped mailers, so that they can get out of line, mail their needles (which ARE allowed, but also left to the whim of the TSA agent) back to themselves, but usually have to go back through the line again.Although- I've heard they have warehouses of unclaimed confiscated items, so the "threw them away" is new to me....
     
  21. GarrAarghHrumph

    GarrAarghHrumph I can kill you with my brain

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    Quite true - at many of the airports I go through, the TSA have trash cans right there, in some airports with lids on them so you can't see in, at others open, and that's where they put stuff that travellers try to bring through, when the traveller themself decides not to bother to go back and check that bag, or to go back and mail the items to themselves. I would not be shocked if some airports kept some of those items to be auctioned off later, but they have no way of storing them for specific passengers, and they are not in the business of keeping track of the items, and mailing them to you later.

    This "mailing of items to yourself" is so popular that in a lot of airports, at least one of the shops outside security carries boxes and postage that you can buy to do this.
     
  22. tangerine_dream

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    This story sounds like it wasn't really told objectively. Did they seriously rip the skates from her hands and toss them in the garbage, or did they give her the choice to simply NOT board the flight? I mean, it sounds to me like she chose to get on. Personally, I think it's rather common sense NOT to bring skates on the flight. I've flown with skates many times and no matter how paranoid I might be about lost luggage, I am not going to try to bring them on with me. Sure, people have tried and succeeded, but at any time the TSA has a right to deny you and why bother going through that hassle?

    Also, I realize the line for security check was long, but if your friend had arrived earlier then she would have had the time to go back to the airlines counter and check her skates, rather than have them get thrown away. Honestly, that would have been the smart thing to do, that or not get on the flight and try to reschedule for the next one out. The standard rescheduling fee is somewhere around 100 bucks which is cheaper than a new pair of skates.

    In other words, it seems like she willingly let the TSA throw away her skates so she could board because she was not willing to reschedule, and not prepared early enough for the chance of rejection to go back and check her bag. Her fault entirely, in my opinion. One shouldn't EXPECT to get on board with skates.

    The way the title made it sound, I thought the airlines did something outrageous, but that isn't the case. The only outrageous thing about this story is that your friend didn't even consider the possibility of getting rejected at check point.
     
  23. tangerine_dream

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    Americans really need to stop suing people for their own oversights. This was her fault. No one forced her to get on the plane.
     
  24. Auntie

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    Just want to emphasize this is a TSA decision, not Delta - and I am no fan of TSA because...

    We used to leave enough time to try to carry the skates on,then go check them if the "capricious" TSA person said no (it was usually not a problem, BTW, but a real pain when it was a "No"), but finally concluded it was not worth the hassle. We check them in a bag with about ten ID tags/papers with local/cell contact numbers inside & out. It has worked well.

    As to TSA, no counting on logic there: I am always surprised as I watch passengers carry on ski boots. If they are concerend about weapons, it would bwe far easier to clock someone in the head with one of those ski boots than to accurately wield a figure skating blade - JMHO.
     
  26. Cheylana

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    I actually assumed you couldn't bring them on board, because we're always hearing stories of airlines losing competitors' skates; and I figured why would a competitor ever check skates if they could just bring them on board instead?
     
  27. Skittl1321

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    Most of those cases are international though.

    One of my coaches who is a recent former international competitor told me he always carried his skates on planes in the US, and would check them with the foreign airline once he was no longer in the United States. (So I guess at customs?)
     
  28. Jenna

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    It is not her fault. I'm sure she would have agreed to pay shipping and handing fees if security had assented to mailing them to her. Are you suggesting she should have missed her flight in an attempt to check the skates? That's completely ridiculous.

    You're correct in stating that people in general, not just Americans, do have a tendency to file meaningless law suits. However, this is one time where a suit is justified.
     
  29. GarrAarghHrumph

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    The TSA will not offer to mail them for her. This is her responsibility. She can step out and mail them to herself, she can step out and check the bag, or she can go forward without the skates. The TSA is not the postal service. They will not mail them to her.

    If she sues based on the fact that the TSA didn't offer to mail these to her, the suit will be found to be without grounds, and it will be dismissed. The TSA has no legal responsibility to mail every water bottle, bottle of shampoo, bowie knife, nail file, box cutter, baseball bat, pool cue, gel shoe insert, snow globe, pocket knife, etc... the TSA confiscates hundreds of thousands of items every year (per TSA data). That they could offer to mail the items to people is not practical.
     
  30. Jenna

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    Well, I know that this situation taken from "technical" and "lawful" standpoint isn't exactly convincing, but none of the items on the laundry you mentioned aren't quite as expensive as skates. You could show me every law and technicality in the book, I still don't think throwing out someone's personal belongings is proper. Sorry.