Davis & White #26: Dancing with the Stars on Ice!

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by jenniwren12, Apr 8, 2014.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. DORISPULASKI

    DORISPULASKI Watching submarine races

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2002
    Messages:
    9,900
    It might. It's a link to a magazine, so there might be copyright issues involved.

    Is the other site a similar magazine?
     
  2. olympiax

    olympiax Member

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2013
    Messages:
    188
    It's radaronline- I know they're affiliated, but I can't get onto that particular article. :/ I set my browser to U.S though and it still didn't work
     
  3. LovelyMeteora

    LovelyMeteora Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2014
    Messages:
    152
    It's probably best that it worked out this way, because I don't think Charlie would have been nearly as good at this as Meryl is. Who even knows if he could have gotten truly comfortable working so intimately with someone who didn't have a known romantic partner. But for whatever reason, Charlie clearly made a choice before DWTS to "out" his relationship publicly, whereas Meryl did not. And their behavior has been consistent with those decisions. That's not to say that Charlie wasn't always somewhat transparent about Tanith, but they definitely played it coy in the months surrounding Sochi and in those media interviews right after Sochi. I mean, the difference from that radio interview right after the Olympics where it sounded like he literally spilled his drink in alarm when they asked him about Tanith to now, when he talks about it frequently in interviews and on the show itself, is kind of a 180. My guess would be that he wanted her to be able to come watch him and support him without having to hide in the audience like just another friend. It seems like Meryl's situation is very different for a number of reasons. The most important thing is that she clearly feels very comfortable and is having a blast.

    It is interesting, though, that Charlie seems to freely admit that he's exhausted. He always mitigates it by saying it's worth it because he's having so much fun, but I have a feeling some fatigue is starting to set in.
     
  4. CynicElle

    CynicElle Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2001
    Messages:
    2,174
    That's adorable, but goodness -- Sharna looks like a teenager without all her show makeup!
     
  5. Johnny_Fever

    Johnny_Fever Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2010
    Messages:
    1,107
    They're both pretty maternal. I've seen Sharna pick up stranger's babies in paparazzi videos.
     
  6. newbatgirl

    newbatgirl Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2006
    Messages:
    1,087
    Maks on skates? Nothing else needs to happen that episode. The whole show should just be that.
     
  7. clairecloutier

    clairecloutier Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2013
    Messages:
    916
    So, I am new to DWTS. Everyone here is saying Derek is the most popular male pro. My question is, who is the best of the male pros just in terms of dance skills? Or is it impossible to choose?

    So far, I have been most impressed with Val. I think he's fantastic. He seems very solid and secure and precise in his partnering. He does an excellent job of guiding his partners and letting them shine, without drawing too much attention to himself. Also, he always seems very much on the rhythm, and just very reliable. I like Maks too, and the other guys, but Val has impressed me most. Curious to know what other people think.
     
  8. Johnny_Fever

    Johnny_Fever Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2010
    Messages:
    1,107
    It wouldn't surprise me if Val is technically superior to Maks. Shorter people usually are.

    In reference to the dance pros on the ice, I want to see Charlie do an on-ice lift with Sharna. I bet it would look great.
     
  9. Katha

    Katha New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2003
    Messages:
    36
    I'm not an expert on anything, but from watching the show and just my personal impressions...I think they are all very good. So it kind of always bothers me when people go on slagging any of them off as incompetent hacks. This mostly applies to Maks, Mark and Tony, because they're not as consistently brilliant when it comes to choreography etc. as Val and Derek. All three have done excellent work on the show. But I think at this point in time Val and Derek are the two best dancers and choreographers on the show. I would give the nod to Val because IMO Derek has a tendency to dance around "weaker" celebrity partners and trying to hide their flaws instead of correcting them...which was on full display last week with Nene, for example, and kind of bothers me. Also, Maks is joking around about being "old", but in dancer years he probably is...I would say in his prime a few years ago I would have put him at about the same level as a dancer as Derek and Val? Idk.

    I'm not even sure the producers necessarily went for drama, so much as contrast and the "well, that's an unusual pairing, it will be a challenge for both of them to make it work" factor. Of course, had it turned out to be a trainwreck, they would have giddily kept the cameras rolling. :lol: And I agree that it's to their credit that they have established the rapport they have. IMO you can see that Maks makes a conscious effort to stay calm and low-key for her sake and is largely succeeding so far. Of course, even low-key and calm Maks is still an OTT, slightly larger than life character :D. And Meryl just goes with it and perhaps even feels free to indulge in silliness of her own a bit more because he gives her "cover" to do that. In turn her focused, poised approach to everything is also rubbing off on him. The way they have clicked on the dancefloor is also really cool, and yes, they have chemistry and seem in tune movement-wise. I'm sure they put in a lot of work into those aspects as well...how to dance together in a way that makes the size difference negligible. IMO it was especially impressive in the foxtrot in those closed holds, they looked beautifully matched.
     
    Last edited: Apr 17, 2014
    cynthiabc and (deleted member) like this.
  10. mattiecat13

    mattiecat13 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2004
    Messages:
    74
    I didn't watch that season. What happened with Hope Solo?
     
  11. Wyliefan

    Wyliefan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2005
    Messages:
    17,694
  12. belladashwood

    belladashwood Member

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2014
    Messages:
    366
    Since I'm the resident DWTS junkie & have been watching the show since season 2, here's my assessment of all the male pros based on their strengths so that you can get a better idea of each of them individually:

    Derek is considered the best in that he knows how to package his celeb partners by masking their weaknesses and bring out their strengths, I call him the illusionist. What he does best is pull from a lot of other dance styles as well, but will leave out a lot of certain ballroom/latin basics in addition to breaking rules too. That's usually why he ends up getting his celeb so far in the competition. However he's been known to lack patience and be an a--hole with some of his celeb partners as well (it rarely ever gets aired during the intro packages). The only seasons I really enjoyed Derek's dances was when he was dancing with Jennie Garth, Brooke Burke, and Joanna Krupa.

    Mark is definitely the most inventive & innovative male pro with his choreography, always adding just that modern touch to make their dance stand out, however he is known for out-dancing his celebs partners. He has also proven himself to be good teacher, considering he got Bristol Palin of all people to the finals in season 11. Whenever he makes the finale he definitely choreographs the freestyle to his celebs strengths, some his best freestyles would be w/ Kristi Y, Shawn Johnson, Katherine Jenkins, and Aly Raisman. Some of Mark's other best dances include: his Rip it Up Jive w/ Kristi Y, his Waltz w/ Katherine Jenkins, his Cha-cha and Tango-Paso fusion with Shawn Johnson, his Viennese Waltz w/ Chelsea Kane, and his Contemporary w/ Aly Raisman.

    Tony is the best pro when it comes to lifts, the lifts he did with Melissa Rycroft for both of her seasons are so phenomenal yet look so effortless. Tony is also one of the best teachers, always teaching the fundamentals to his celeb so that they have good foundation, and he always dials down his performance to dance to the level his celeb partner is at. So check out everything he's danced with Melissa and also Stacy Kiebler to see Tony at his best.

    Maks is the best pro to go to for choreographing straight ballroom/latin dances. He is a very tough teacher, but he knows how to get the best out of his celeb; he reminds me of that hard school teacher that you hated but at the same time you learn so much from & grow to appreciate. Usually his Tangos & Paso Dobles are his celeb's best dances, but he also can also steam it up with either the Samba or Rumba as a well. But he is willing to take a risks if he thinks it will help his celeb like he did w/ Erin Andrew's freestyle. Some stand out dances from the past Maks has done would be the Free Your Mind Paso doble w/ Mel B, his Mambo w/ Laila Ali, his Rumba with Willa Ford, his Argentine Tango w/ Brandy, and both of his Sambas with Erin Andrews.

    Val is definitely becoming one the best choregraphers on the show, unlike his brother he's really shown how good he is at expanding his range to other dance styles and has particularly done well with choreographing Contemporary and Hip-hop. Each and every week he always develops his celeb to make sure that they're improving from week to week. Val is just as intense as Maks, but definitely knows how to keep his cool. To see Val's best work check out his Salsa trio w/ Zendaya, his Cha-Cha w/ Elizabeth Berkley, and his Paso doble w/ Kelly Monaco.
     
    Last edited: Apr 17, 2014
    Doggygirl and (deleted member) like this.
  13. Skittl1321

    Skittl1321 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2007
    Messages:
    11,265
    What are the pros actual dancing credentials? I've searched and found very little about them; very light competitive records.
    Who is the best dancer, assuming they are all paired with equally talented professional female dancers. (You can't really compare their ability when they are dancing with amateurs of varying skill level; just their ability to pro-am.) Who is the most accomplished dancer awards wise?

    Do any of them have excellent professional competitive credentials?
    (Hough seems to have won a Jr. World title- but is dancesport like other dance forms where there are tons of organizations claiming to be crown "world champions"; Maks has a number of titles but I don't know how prestigious they are; can't find much about Val...)
     
  14. belladashwood

    belladashwood Member

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2014
    Messages:
    366
    Hope Solo was Maks' most toxic celeb partnership & had the worst influence on him, and it didn't help that she lied in her biography accusing Maks of abusing her while on the show.
     
    Last edited: Apr 17, 2014
  15. belladashwood

    belladashwood Member

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2014
    Messages:
    366
    I recommend going to this site and doing a search if you want to know each pro's full competitive record & any titles they've won: http://dancesportinfo.net/Search/Couples
     
  16. Marlie fan

    Marlie fan New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2014
    Messages:
    259
    If you read his quotes about when Meryl first walked through the door, he seemed genuinely shocked and surprised to have gotten her. He said things like (paraphrasing here): "What did I do to get such a great partner? I feel blessed. I thought they made a mistake and Meryl would be walking back out to the right room." So either you believe he didn't request Meryl and the best star or you think he is lying and putting on an act. Maks just seems like someone who can't lie well. He wears his heart on his sleeve. Even his own brother said he "doesn't have a filter." Which is both a good and bad thing for Maks. LOL. It's why he's gotten himself into so much trouble with the judges and producers in the past.

    I think at most he said something like "You better give me someone good" to the producers but he didn't ask for anyone specific. Meryl is also not a natural or logical match for Maks given their big size difference.
     
  17. Muffin

    Muffin New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2009
    Messages:
    451
    Val's got a ton of national and world titles, I think. 14 national titles I think I read.

    You might want to youtube that disaster, but you will think less of Maks after you watch it. Hope, physically, is probably the worst dancer Maks was ever paired with. She moved like a jock, had no rhythm, couldn't count the dance steps. But worse, she was insecure, neurotic, insanely competitive (both in the competition and with Maks), and a perfectionist who wanted to do things her way. The two of them grew to hate each other, which culminated in an ugly incident during a group rehearsal where he was supposedly showing her the choreography but was obviously just shoving her around because he was frustrated with her (youtube "group paso doble"). A year later, she came out with a book and said there was another incident where Maks slapped her under the guise of positioning her face, but it was kept off the air.
     
  18. Muffin

    Muffin New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2009
    Messages:
    451
    I don't think he was shocked, but I think maybe he wasn't 100% sure who he was going to get, and when he saw her it was like, "I did get her!"
     
  19. Skittl1321

    Skittl1321 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2007
    Messages:
    11,265
    How do you know it was a lie? Were you there?
     
  20. Marlie fan

    Marlie fan New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2014
    Messages:
    259
    Well he actually said something to the effect that he was shocked and also he said he thought it was a "mistake" when she walked through the door ... so if he actually asked for her by name, he would not have thought it was a mistake.

    He would really have had to lie and put on a big act if he indeed asked for her by name and then said the things he did. I think with Maks, what you see is what you get. No filter.
     
  21. belladashwood

    belladashwood Member

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2014
    Messages:
    366
    I read the passages from Hope's book & a lot of it was her pulling crap out of thin air, even Derek's fangirls @PureDWTS who despise Maks were coming to his defense on this and knew Hope was lying because their inside source at the show told them differently.
     
  22. AYS

    AYS Cruder than you thought

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2002
    Messages:
    19,709
    Hope Solo has been involved in a number of controversies, including a domestic altercation with her fiance that ended up in court on the day they were supposedly to be married (link below). She's considered to be sort of a flake, and while I haven't followed her career closely, she definitely came off that way in a pretty in-depth E60 interview I watched a year or so ago.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...assault-investigation-before-wedding/1703115/
    Last paragraph in that article:
     
  23. Marlie fan

    Marlie fan New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2014
    Messages:
    259
    Muffin, to follow up on my previous comment ...

    http://www.myfoxla.com/story/25096505/meryl-davis-maksim-chmerkovskiy

    Take a look at this interview at around the 2:45 mark. Maks says that when he saw Meryl walk through the door he said to himself "There's no way this is my partner" and that he was waiting for someone to run in and tell Meryl she had gone to the wrong room. If he had asked for Meryl specifically, he wouldn't have said those things or he would have had to be lying and putting on an act in this interview. I just don't think he's that good an actor and that dishonest. As his own brother said, he has no filter (and lying is a sort of filter).

    He may have asked the producers to give him someone "good" but I would bet he didn't ask for Meryl in particular.
     
  24. Laura4

    Laura4 Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2003
    Messages:
    989
    Here's what I'd like to know: Do the pro dancers get a list of the celebrities slated to be on the show before they meet their respective partners?
     
  25. reese

    reese Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2004
    Messages:
    3,382
    Again, you were not there. And a blind item from PureDWTS is hardly unimpeachable.

    The footage of Maks and Hope that aired on DWTS really spoke for itself. Maks was way out of line, regardless of what kind of annoying person Hope is.
     
  26. clairecloutier

    clairecloutier Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2013
    Messages:
    916

    Thanks for your analysis, Bella!
     
  27. Muffin

    Muffin New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2009
    Messages:
    451
    Marlie, I don't think Maks is a liar, but I think you underestimate his flair for the dramatic. :) A lot of things on the show are done for the cameras and Maks has always done his part well. I don't mean it's fake or dishonest, but there are certain things that they want *shown* on camera that are not 100% spontaneous.

    I mean Maks and Meryl's "reunion" this week made it seem like they hadn't seen each other in a long time, when in reality it appeared to take place at the studio in New York (or wherever M&C were on tour), and most likely they had flown there together. At the very least, they'd seen each other on show day and would have had a chance to do all the "I missed you" stuff already. Again, that doesn't mean the hug wasn't sincere, but that reunion was clearly set up a certain way and performed for the cameras.
     
  28. Marlie fan

    Marlie fan New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2014
    Messages:
    259
    I would think not. Especially since it seems they are scrambling for certain stars right up to the last minute. This year, it was rumored that Bruce Jenner was going to be on the show, but that didn't work out for some reason.

    Sometimes it's leaked to the press that a certain star will be on the show, so I guess the pros can read the press reports like anyone else. Or they may have some inside information of a certain star. But I don't think the producers consult with the pros that much on who their next partner will be.

    With Meryl & Charlie, DWTS was a done deal the day after they won gold at Sochi. But it was never leaked to the media. None of us knew for sure until the morning GMA revealed the cast, though I recall many here speculated on it because they were in LA at an Oscars party the day before the reveal.
     
  29. Muffin

    Muffin New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2009
    Messages:
    451
    I think Karina once said they get some kind of list about 15 minutes before they meet their partner and sometimes have to frantically google who the people are. I think the show doesn't want the pros to offend the celebrities by having no idea who they are. In Meryl & Charlie's case, it had been rumored for about a month that they would be on the show and I'm sure Maks was at least aware of the rumors.
     
  30. belladashwood

    belladashwood Member

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2014
    Messages:
    366
    Well, neither were you. I don't deny that Maks was rough with Hope during the team dance rehearsal, but she said other things that clearly did not line up. I normally don't trust Pure, but in this case they were correct & along with their inside source at the show who's been right about other things.

    And also if anyone else wants to discuss & debate Maks' partnership w/ Hope Solo, then please take it to the general DWTS thread in the Off the Beaten Track section
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.