Davis and White #14 - Better Late Than Sinatra

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  1. lauravvv

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    Many fans didn't like the music and the style, but I don't remember many posts (if any) about disliking the choreography. I can't agree about difficulty - there was a lot of nuance, tempo changes, and so on. Maybe not liking the music stopped people from noticing it. Also - one of Tessa and Scott's main qualities is indeed that often they make the difficult seem easy, while, when Meryl and Charlie are skating, you see how difficult it is, and think: ''Wow! How difficult! And how easily they did that!" :D. I am not saying that one or other style of skating is better - to each their own. I don't agree about "new team'' - that was much too difficult and refined for a new team. About "cutesy" - I agree that a part of it was cutesy, but definitely not all of it (imho).

    It's not like Tessa and Scott's edges are any less deeper. As for amplitude - well, I haven't seen any of them skate live, but from those who have seen both teams live I've heard that Tessa/Scott don't skate with a lesser amplitude than Meryl and Charlie. Apparently it only looks that way on TV (and not to everyone ;)). Recently I read a comment from someone stating that the two teams who really skate "big" are Virtue/Moir and Ilinykh/Katsalapov - but that was from a Tessa/Scott fan, so no wonder.
  2. comickiwi

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    You're right! Meryl and Charlie have an abandon and joy that's just exhilarating to watch while others might skate to perfection but is missing the "fire" - well, to me, anyway (doesn't apply to everyone, V/M fans don't scold me please). I'm glad that people love D/W for this. I'm in good company :)
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  3. mollymgr

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    Which Andrew, Speroff or Gonzales? It sounds like they both had issues.

    Jeremy Abbott's picture is sooo cute!!

    And I have to agree, poor Charlie falling asleep on the bus.
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  5. mollymgr

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    Speroff…poor kid was probably heartbroken about his brand new shoes. Gonzales had a bad case of separation anxiety :lol:
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    Yeah, I've gotta imagine that's rather scary. Hopefully he can laugh about it now (I chuckled a little, I admit).

    I don't remember my first day of school, however.

    Seriously.
  7. Jessiebanana

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    Like I said, your opinion is your opinion. You're free to have it.
  8. Theatregirl1122

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    I definitely don't remember my first day of school. Heck, I don't remember my first day of college.
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    I was intimidated by people whose feet could actually touch the floor of the bus.

    And an older girl made a face at my (rather babyish) backpack. Traumatized.

    I have no memories of the actual school day, however. Must have been eventful.
  10. Piper

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    I've had a break in watching figure skating from 2002 to 2007, but I feel like I really started watching it in 2009-2010 season.
    It started when I went to Rostelecom Cup 2009...and there were Meryl and Charlie spinning it their incredible twizzles right in front of me. Since then, I love them.
    I've also always admired Tessa and Scott and I was really happy for them in Vancouver - their FD was brilliant. The only problem with them for me was that they were...I don't know, too good to be true, like romantic movie characters. Meryl and Charlie were...more real, sort of.
    In 2010-2011 I was surrounded by V\M fans who didn't even try to hide their dislike for Meryl and Charlie and reminded all the time how awful they are, blah blah blah.
    It was not easy to get used to it - it didn't lessen my admiration for V/M though. But Scott's demeanour after GPF 2011 did.
    I understand that if you really like the skater, his off-ice behaviour shouldn't bother you much...but it doesn't work for me. One of the things I love about D/W is how they handle the situation when they lose.
  11. Theatregirl1122

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    Scott's off ice behavior doesn't really bother me but I don't see any reason why a skater's off ice behavior shouldn't affect how you feel about them. People become fans for all sorts of reasons. Sometimes it is because something in their skating grabs you, sometimes it is because you get to see a really big moment for them live and you become emotionally invested in them, sometimes it's because you have a funny exchange with them in the lobby of a hotel. Not everyone is a fan purely because of a skater's skating and nothing else. And I'm not sure why they should be.
  12. literaryfreak

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    I think I know what you mean:

    D/W have a sense of abandon. You can't fake that. For all their talents, it is one thing Tessa and Scott do not have.
  13. lauravvv

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    Who said that? I at least didn't. I just explained how it is for me, but I didn't imply that it should be like that for everyone. Still, if you would ask me, I'd say that you can't be a fan of a person - you can like a person, but if you don't like what they do on ice/stage/so on, then you're not a fan. In that case it's something else.
  14. Theatregirl1122

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    I was responding the poster directly above me who said that they knew they shouldn't let Scott's personality affect whether or not they are a fan. But I also disagree with you. If you are rooting for an athlete, you are a fan no matter why you root for them. Although my point was not that you n be a fan without liking someone's skating. It was that you can become a fan for reasons other than skating. For me there is a difference between enjoying someone's skating and really being a fan and rooting for them.
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    I agree, but I meant that a good skater doesn't have to be a good person - and I hope I'm more a fan of figure skating than skater's personalities. :D
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  16. Rafter

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    And having a sense of abandon is not always a positive thing in ice dance in some fans' eyes. :shuffle:
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    maybe then get eyes checked :rofl:
  18. Theatregirl1122

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    I think we can all agree that Meryl and Charlie and Virtue and Moir fans may value different things in ice dance and that we all accept that not everyone will agree with our opinion.
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    Agreed, they all have something that is exceptional in the ice dancing field and all aspects of it should be appreciated no matter who the skater is.

    IMHO, it's the "superhero" image that people form in their minds when they like/admire someone. From far, it's all good but up close, the idol is a normal person who eats, poops, sleeps like everyone else. I suppose it shatters the fan's impression a little when a glimpse of reality is seen and more often than not it is a tad disappointing. To be fair, we caught only a snippet of Scott's behaviour and do not know what led to it, the whole situation could have been completely misconstrued.
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    I watched the SD from Salt Lake last night. I can't wait to see what Meryl and Charlie do this season.

    I also have to admit surprise. When Yankee Polka was announced I thought we would be subjected to lots of accordian music and mental images of beer gardens. But nothing I watched yesterday even seemed like polka music to me.

    And I know I can't change anything and I have to live with it but I HATE THE SD concept. (sorry, needed to vent).
  21. Susan M

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    I've been surprised I don't hate it as much as I expected. Really, it's not very different from the OD. They just replaced the steps in hold (always my least favorite OD element) with the CD pattern. I think the GW dances were so bad because that CD pattern took up twice as much time as most (plus the incongruous combination GW made with all those tangos). Now that they are choosing shorter CDs and no longer require the two CD segments to be consecutive, I think these dances could be about as good as some of the old OD combinations were if choreographers could get their thinking past the CD segments.
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    I was looking at the GP assignments and something struck me. Was 2008 Skate Canada the last GP Meryl and Charlie have done outside of SKAM, COR, and NHK? I know there are only 6 events, but it hit me for some reason.
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    Yes, that is correct.
    2009-NHK, COR, GPF
    2010-SKAM, NHK, GPF
    2011-SKAM, COR, GPF
  24. ~tapdancer~

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    I just watched the SD from the SLC comp, I pretty much enjoyed all the dances, they were fun and engaging. Only one that was hard to get through was the couple that did ChimChimCheree and Supercalifragilicious...that was so cheesy. Gilles/Poirier also did Mary Poppins but their music cuts were much better. I always liked Paul and I like him even better with Piper, he just looks like he is loving it out there.

    Really enjoyed Lynn and Logan's SD, hope they fix the ending, he almost fell over. It was a tricky ending. Madison and Evan's SD was pretty good, too, it didn't seem as fun as some of the others but it was all right. Her dress wasn't bad, I think she tweaked it some. I can't quite figure out why O'Brien/Merriman continue to get such low scores, they look so improved from years back. Guess they just still aren't there yet.

    Watching all the Yankee Polkas, though, all I could think of was how none could touch Meryl and Charlie's YP.
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    I wish I knew more about what the judges are looking for in the YP sections. I noticed that the only team to get better than a level 2 on the second section of the YP was the last place team. Does anyone know specifically what the judges are looking at in the 2 sections? Besides the technical question, I really like the music that the teams are using, I too was expecting a lot more horrible polka music. So far I've been pleasantly surprised!
  26. Susan M

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    That is found in ISU Communication 1721.

    Key points In judging the Yankee Polka

    Section 1 (Steps 1-25)

    Key Point 1 - Lady & Man Steps 5-7 (RBO, LFO, CR-RFO-SwR)
    - Correct Edges

    Key Point 2 Lady Steps 12 & 13 (LFI ClCho, RBO)
    - Correct Edges
    - Correct Turn
    - ClCho: correct placement of the free foot

    Key Point 3 Man Steps 12 & 13 (LFI ClCho, RBO)
    - Correct Edges
    - Correct Turn
    - ClCho: correct placement of the free foot

    Section 2 (Steps 26-52)

    Key Point 1 Lady Steps 32 & 33 (RFI3, LFO-Rk) & Man Steps 32 & 33 (LFI3, RFO3)
    - Correct Edges
    - Correct Turns

    Key Point 2 Lady Steps 38-40 (RFI, RFI3, LFO-Sw)
    - Correct Edges
    - Correct Turn

    Key Point 3 Man Steps 38-40 (RBO3, LFO-Sw, RFI3)
    1. Correct Edges
    2. Correct Turns
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    We heard the music news, pani.
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    I hope for more details. I wish to know what music cut they select from Notre dame to make FD program. This season will be so greate :)
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    I somehow don't believe that we will find out about the exact selections until Skate America.
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    I had forgotten that the ukrainian team Siobhan Heekin-Canedy/Dmitri Dun used 'Notre Dame de Paris' (including 'Danse mon Esmeralda') for their FD last season - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItE61IUKmY4. They were 15th at Europeans and Worlds. The dance was nice, but nothing spectacular, like, I am sure, Meryl and Charlie's version will be :).
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