Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by jkl, Oct 8, 2012.
maybe she's sad about her fake anthrax. although it's unlikely mark sent it so be nice.
She's probably right.
I'd be bummed if I was Mark.
They kind of brushed over that "Mark didn't show up for rehearsal" thing. That sounds a little odd, especially if he didn't mention it beforehand. He said "I was late" and she said "you didn't show up", and then he didn't disagree. I'm sure he his bummed, but he usually has been really nice about defending her.
i guess that is more of a headband than a tiara but i love it
that song was weird and not good weird
Bristol shouldn't have skipped rehearsal, but more than that, she shouldn't have picked this dance.
That was terrible.
Mark is really trying to show things are good, and Bristol still looks peeved.
Bristol & Mark danced a paso doble originally done by.. some former team, we don't get told who because we were only shown their drama segment. Ohh, Brooke says it was Joanna Krupa & Derek's dance.
Scores: 7.5, 7.5, 7.5
NEW/rarely done styles next week!! We've had so many season in a row now with the same dance styles, I'm ready for some charlestons, jitterbugs, and merengues!
But it was her BEST DANCE EVER judge said so
Shawn & Derek chose Helio & Julianne's quickstep THAT WAS FUN.
Scores: 9, 8, 9.5
I'm worried about Apolo and Karina. They didn't do a "fun" dance that would get people voting. And since all the scores are so scrunched up together, they won't make much of a difference.
Shawn and Derek make a good pair. She seems to make him play up his wholesome side, and he brings out her fun side.
I think that the bottom three will be:
Drew, Bristol, and either Helio, Kristie or Kelly
Just saw Max and Kirstie's dance..oh my goodness! SO FUNNY.
ETA: Here's the rankings:
Kelly & Val - 27
Melissa & Tony - 27
Shawn & Derek - 26.5
Apolo & Karina - 25.5
Gilles & Peta - 25.5
Helio & Chelsie - 25.5
Sabrina & Louis - 25.5
Emmitt & Cheryl - 25
Drew & Anna - 24
Kirstie & Maks - 24
Bristol & Mark - 22.5
I agree with a poster on another board that Drew is probably toast. I think Kirstie's fans will come out in full force and save her, which would put Bristol, Helio and possibly Apolo in jeopardy. Hopefully it's Bristol but you never know.
I think Drew is out... combo of going first, underwhelming dancing, and losing the bottom 2 rebound effect he had last week. Helio will be fine because he has the rebound (and I voted for him too, just in case!).
I think they were extra nice to Bristol to try and get her out. I didn't get that dance at all. I thought she would be waltzing as Snow White (which I think I would've enjoyed; she's alright at the slower dances), not doing the paso... and what did the chess pieces represent? Were they just there so the judges couldn't see her footwork? But really, Mark shouldn't have skipped rehearsal without telling her. Interesting that when she said he'd rather have Sabrina/Shawn, he asked why she thinks that, but didn't deny it.
I'm usually all for the gimmicks but my favorites were the ones who pretty much just danced... Apolo, Kelly, and Melissa especially. Apolo's arm movements were gorgeous. Thank you to Carri-Ann for being the voice of reason tonight. That dance with Karina was hot and in technik. Don't know why the judges are hating on him so much. Len was harsh on him in S4, but not this harsh. I don't think the judges like Karina.
I felt like Sabrina just did the same paso she did with Mark, and Helio did his bananaman quickstep again, and not as well, though he's fun to watch and I want him to stay.
Pleasantly surprised Emmit and Gilles were not held up much. Gilles' pitching a hissyfit at Apolo choosing his dance was OTT. He should've seen it as an honor.
Shawn and Derek were awesome, I was throughout, but it wasn't the best dance ever. Imagine what they'll do for a freestyle.
I kept thinking that this would've been sooooo hot with Julianne
It was odd, but it seems Mark was not attempting to defend himself. It was a smart technique. Bristol was determined to blame him. Defending himself would only make hr reach for more.
This. It made her look like she had one huge, exposed boob in the middle of her chest. Nasty!!!!
I tend to agree with this. She tends to be underscored. She's the best dancer on the show, IMO, so I don't get why they seem to not like her.
And then there was Apolo who made a point of telling Helio that he was honored to have his dance chosen. Class act.
I thought this "challenge" was really interesting- brought out the best in some people's personalities and the worst in others. Gilles came across as a complete control freak and very pompous, IMO. Peta looked a little more than annoyed- like she was biting her tongue.
Agh, no. The only mercy is they didn't do reverse rolls, which are harder. There is nothing uglier than badly-done samba rolls and those were hideous. (They don't show up until at least late in Silver, maybe Gold, I'd have to check the syllabus, and it's for a reason. And even when you CAN do them without looking stupid, if you aren't a good body match proportionally they still can look awkward.)
I feel where Bristol's coming from--I don't doubt Mark is trying for her, but I also have no doubt he feels ripped off at not getting a near-sure-thing in Shawn or a second shot with Sabrina, and it probably shows. No one likes being their pro's morality pet. I'm sure the double elimination was set up to try and make sure she goes home, the only real question's who's going with her (I'd be fine with Helio, Kelly, or Drew--the men are boring me, Kelly...I don't know if Val hasn't learned to dance down much or she just can't dance any bigger, but she's kind of dull and slow. Killer dress, though. I wouldn't fit it but I may talk with the Randall folks in Ohio about what a copy would cost...)
Biggest question of the night for me: Does someone in wardrobe LOATHE Sabrina? That outfit was awful. In other costume notes props to Kirstie for realizing that draping and cowling does NOT in fact hide flaws or make you look smaller, especially in the chesticular area.
Well, at least the pros who draw jitterbug, WCS, Charleston, etc will be just as lost as their celebs...except merengue, you can teach a monkey merengue in about five minutes.
The evil, Hunger-Games-ish element is going to be picking dances for your opponents. Now, do you risk alienating voters by trying to sabotage your competition by giving them something evil? Do you try to be nice/appear nice by giving them something you think they'd like, meanwhile winning votes?
I got a phone call when Tom was explaining this new challenge, so I missed what he said. New styles, but someone else picks for you--not just a random draw?
I believe Mark has been more accommodating to/supportive of Bristol than any other Pro would have been.
Eh...maybe than any other pro currently on the show, maybe. Definitely not than those who are experienced real-world pro-am teachers could manage (hence my maybe, Tony or Jonathan might be better dealing with a true average-person beginner since they've done that for real. Heck, Corky, if he turned off the TV persona, would have some frame of reference.) And someone else said it--he didn't deny he'd rather have Shawn or Sabrina, which again is I'm sure how he legitimately feels, but not very helpful for her. I'm sure Bristol's aware that there are plenty of viewers who just hate her, most because of her mother (whether they admit it or not), some just because she's not a "real" celebrity, some because they think she's terrible (again, not even close to the worst ever on the show or in the bottom five if you judge on the dancing and not the ability to sell a routine.) Having a pro who on some level wishes he were dancing with someone more competitive isn't good for the psyche on a normal day, forget when you've got a chunk of the viewing audience who violently loathes you and the producers aren't doing you any favors with the editing (especially "Worst breakdown, most dramatic rehearsal ever"? We're pretending Kate Gosslein never happened? That's discounting the rumors that were never broadcast--Hope's alleged fight with Maks, Jaleel's alleged diva behavior.)
I liked that song. Does anyone know what it was?
Did Bristol agree to participate in "All-Stars" only if Mark were her partner?
that band makes songs completely unrecognizable
living on video by trans x
You can doubt that Bristol belongs on this show without hating her, since she is neither a star nor a good dancer. I have felt the same way about Kate Gosselin, the Situation, and most of the other "reality stars," except maybe Melissa Rycroft because she could actually dance.
You know who looked happier last night than I've ever seen on that show? Tony. He was thrilled with the scores he and Melissa got yesterday, and their feedback about the choreography and performance. After suffering through Gosselin, he deserves a great partner like Melissa.
Bergeron mentioned it was once used before.
Joanna Krupa & Derek Hough Futuristic Paso Doble
i think the band did a better job on the joanna/boy hough version
He didn't deny it on the version that was shown to us. I hate to defend Mark, but the show took an argument that was obviously longer than the allotted time and edited it down.
If he did not deny it at all, I still maintain that there is a tactical move in that. Bristol had already decided that she was right in her perceptions. He wasn't going to change her mind. The moment had already passed for him to explain that he was happy to dance with her, as he had to know that her fan base would carry them for a while and make him money.
I'm curious about the missed rehearsal statement. I know early on in the show seasons that many of the pros had help. So while Edyta or Cheryl might miss a rehearsal for something show related (media, costumes, group numbers, etc.) that there was a person to work with the celeb. Again, the show did not broadcast his answer to that accusation. Maybe he was at the doctor and things ran late. Maybe he was 10 minutes late and she only waited 5 minutes. Maybe he was spray painting graffiti or attending a tea party meeting.
Judging on what was shown to us, all I saw was Bristol acting like a petulant child with Mark showing some signs of a life. I would have felt better about her had her argument been based on his crap-tastic choreography of the fake quick step and how that affected her scores. Instead she showed herself as very immature - You like her better than me.
That would require a level of self awareness that I'm not sure that she totally has yet. Not many her age do at this point. She, like others, refers to someone who dares to be critical of her or dislike something about her as haters. That's not exactly the vocabulary of someone with a full understanding of their own abilities or the perception others have of them.
That's how I feel about Bristol and the other "reality stars", also.
Bristol was only invited to be on DWTS because of her mother; and has remained a presence largely because her mother's supporters have voted for her.
I don't hate Bristol.
However, she's hardly an "All Star", IMO.
That is a possibility. I think Emmett Smith said he would participate only if Cheryl were his partner. Before he committed, I read a quote from Cheryl that she wanted Gilles to come back and dance with her again.
I wish that scenario had played out.
They had a magical partnership; and I wonder what more they could have done together.
I suspect the producers "ranked" their potential talent and offered partnerships based on the rank on that list. Lower ranked celebs got to choose from who was left.
It seems like Shawn said at one point that she was surprised not to have Mark and I can understand his disappointment. Maybe Derek ask for Shawn, although I agree this is a good pairing (Shawn/Derek). I don't dislike Bristol, just don't think she should have agreed to the show. Yes she may stay on longer because of the voting, but when the better dancers start leaving before her the hating begins. She is making $$$ so it's hard to feel sorry for her. I'm not feeling the love for Sabrina or Gilles or Kristie this time, but I do like Kelly and Melissa and Helio and Apolo. Can't remember who else.
Random but I was just thinking it would be so cool if they did a challenge where the celebrities had to dance with each other, choreo'd by their pros, once they have an even number of men and women.
Something like this....
Gilles/Kelly (hotness factor)
(Helio/Kelly and Gilles/Melissa work too!)
Drew/Sabrina or Bristol
Obviously some of these will be eliminated tonight.... but I think this would be really different. They would not be able to rely on their pros to lead them through the dances. Melissa danced with Joey Fatone once for a design a dance, and it was ok, but could be done better if it's for competition.
That design a dance with Melissa and joey was a disaster. I do not see them going there.
While trainwrecks can be watchable, An entire show of trainwrecks becomes uncomfortable to watch.
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