Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by flyingsit, Jun 2, 2011.
You mean you actually want to reward him for that post?
Yes, and no
It hurts, Mommy.
Aren't S&P still skating together professionally in shows?
Or are you talking about the end of their marriage?
That's not much of a threat. He'd like it if you did.
I heard that Paul had a tryout with Piper Gillies, and that they looked pretty good together...
This is about the time Vanessa was supposed to be holding some tryouts. Anyone know where ? Or if they're underway ?
Hmm, I guess they would probably skate for Canada because Piper would be more likely to be released than Paul..
Wow---could see Piper and Paul together pretty easily....
Piper hasn't competed internationnally last season but did 2 decent seasons in the junior Grand Prix. I hope that the US releases her.
Piper is pretty tall--5'5" or taller. Maybe she's a bit too tall for Paul.
Yeah. ISU says she's 5'5, and Wiki says 5'7. 5'5 would be cutting it close for Paul, 5'7 would be probably be unworkable.
She lists herself as 5'4" on IPS.
Piper Gilles may have sat last year out, but she medaled on the Junior Grand Prix back in 2009. The USFSA might refuse to release her for that.
Yes, with Zach Donohue, Piper won gold and silver medals in the 2008 JGP (they were the #4 qualifiers for the JGPF, but withdrew) and bronze in 2009.
USFS isn't the only tightfisted federation. Skate Canada refused to release Leif Gislason in 2006-2007 because he'd won bronze in a 2003 JGP event with then-partner Lauren Senft. That was Leif's one and only international podium finish. Sure, USFS wouldn't release Morgan Matthews, but Matthews/Zavozin were 2005 Junior World Champions and 2004-2005 JGPF Champions, and had won bronze, gold and JGPF bronze in the 2003-2004 JGP, and bronze in the 2002-2003 JGP.
Morgan Matthews/Maxim Zavozin also won the silver medal at 2006 Four Continents and received Team A envelope funding at least one season (maybe two?).
ETA: That said, I feel if a skater or team has received USFS team envelope funding and fulfilled their obligations for that season, they've "earned" their money and should not be under any obligation to pay it back if one or both partners (or a singles skater) are accepted to represent another country. As others have pointed out in earlier discussions related to this topic, it's the skaters and their families who are footing the bulk of the bills in order to stay in competitive skating.
I strongly agree with what Sylvia says. The skaters, or their parents, pay out thousands upon thousands of dollars for training and competition before they get to the point where they qualify for team envelope funding. And that funding would be insufficient to meet their total training costs in a given season. I can see the point of refusing to release skaters in countries where the federation is funding all training costs from an early age - they would have a considerable investment by the time the skater is invited to skate for another country, but where the parents have always footed the bill, the USFSA's investment is small in comparison to the lifelong investment of the skater/parents.
Attractive girl. And quite fearless it seems: http://www.flickr.com/photos/discolights444/3364956877/ Her Wikipedia bio lists Christopher Dean as one of her coaches and choreographers. Thats a plus.
Piper Gilles latest facebook status:
More packing but this one is exciting!!
Could this be a move to Toronto to skate with Paul? She has also recently become "friends" with quite a few Toronto skaters
Oooooh! I hope so! Well, assuming the country issues won't be too big of a hastle.
ETA: Apparently Vanessa Crone "likes" the status.
she also could be teaming with Jordan Hockley I suppose, but I hope it's Paul, I think they would look great together!
Now that would be very interesting!
Maybe we should keep an eye out for late Thornhill entries (possibly just an SD).
It would be kind of weird for Vanessa to like it, but maybe she's happy they both are moving on?
Yea, wasn't sure what to make of that. But it definitely looks like she's teaming with someone in Toronto.
I hope so....Vanessa's so talented and I hope she does team with someone more suitable for her. I hope that both move on with no regrets.
I so strongly agree with this, I just want to pull a "me too" on the ITAing.
The idea that a federation would rather see a previously funded skater unable to continue competing for lack of a suitable partner than to see them represent another country seems just spiteful.
Interesting.... Is Hockley still skating or did he retire? It would be interesting to see him continue. Especially lately, he's shown a lot of potential. With the right sized partner, and perhaps with some new music choices and styles, we could really see him grow and develop.
Jordan Hockley is skating with Nicole Kuzmich as per the latest announcement from COS: 2011 Team Elite
Is there a reason Ralph and Hill are not on the list or would they be in a different category?
Judging from the comment on the bottom of the linked page, "All members of Team Elite must compete at the 2011 Summer Skate, Octoberfest and
Sectionals in the category they have indicated for the 2011 season", these are Skate Canada Central Ontario Section "elite" developmental skaters.
Ralph/Hill would not be in this category.
Piper Gilles and Paul Poirier. Dance to a New Rhythm
Wow! Good luck for both of them!
and they may be in the show on Aug. 4 http://www.sfsc.on.ca/so_you_think_you_can_judge in Thornhill (but not the SCO Thornhill meet which is Aug. 11-14)
Interesting that he says, "Poirier is excited about the new partnership. “We will skate for Canada. This arrangement was the best one for us,” he said. 'Because Piper has not competed for a year she has already finished the first year of the two year waiting period, as per the ISU rules.'"
As a dance team, they only need two years for championships if her federation won't release her after one year.
She then says, "The U.S. will release me in one year. We have already spoken to the federation about this," so there's no reason to get everyone's knickers in a knot and push for an exception now. I'm sure Carol Lane will take the long-term approach and spend the year on technique and gelling as a team.
It's also interesting that he did try out with Samuelson.
I think she should get permanent residency in Canada under the Investors, Entrepreneurs, and Self-Employed class; one of the two qualifiers under "self-employed" class is "participation at a world-class level in cultural activities or athletics". Since they'll train in Ontario, by the 2018 Olympics, she'll meet the residency requirements for citizenship under normal (non-accelerated) circumstances.
Just wanted to let people know that a separate thread was created in GSD today for the new team of Piper Gilles & Paul Poirier: New CDN ice dance team - Gilles & Poirier
Wow, I didn't know he tried out with Samuelson too, but when I think about it they aren't really suited. Emily is too tall for Paul, I think.
I too think Emily should be too tall for Paul.. but what a very pretty mental image of them skating together even as a tryout In my opinion Paul and Emily are the most talented ice dancers of the younger group (from 1990-). They have such obvious potential in this sport and I hope to see more of them in the future.
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