Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by FiveRinger, Nov 7, 2011.
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Jury reaches verdict in involuntary manslaughter case against Michael Jackson's doctor
Is there a standard amount of jail time that someone convicted of involuntary manslaugher will serve? Or can it vary on the case...and is the judge the one who decides on the length of time to serve?
Our local news said he could get jail time, probation, or house arrest.
Here's another article:
California law provides a range of sentences, depending upon the presence (or absence) of mitigating or aggravating circumstances. The judge will make a determination as to the applicable factors and impose sentence. According to the article, sentencing date is Nov 29, with a potential maximum of four years.
Lindsay Lohan served 4 hours of a 30 day sentence due to over-crowding. I'm betting Dr. Feelgood doesn't get any jail time. Just probation. Here's hoping the story will just go away. I try to avoid all the celebrity-related court stuff, but can't seem to escape it.
Well, if he already remanded him to prison, and off he was taken, handcuffed and surprised, does that make a prison sentence more likely than probation or house arrest?
Never mind. Ignore post. I should read links first.
Not necessarily. The time he spends in custody will be counted as credit time served.
Will he loose his license to practice medicine? Maybe he's already lost it?
Yes. He will no longer be able to practice (thank goodness!!!)
Considering what MJ was paying him, he may not need to work.
I suspect he'll do some time, seeing as he was trying to hide evidence of his guilt.
About effing time. I believe in the system of justice, but really, see no reason why a court trial should have been wasted on this loser. ANY doctor (or nurse, even) with a brain knows better than use Propofol, of all things, in a home setting with NO medical staff or equipment; to monitor closely ANY patient receiving the drug (in most hospitals, it is used only in OR, ER or ICU; we use it only in OR or ICU, on intubated/vented patients who are on all kinds of monitoring devices); and for feck's sake, knows when to start freaking CPR!! What a waste of oxygen this man is.
Agreed. However, we still have to go through the correct procedure, as per our constitution.
His lawyer said they are going to appeal the decision. This man should never be allowed to treat a patient again. He has shown a complete lack of ethics & responsibility. I am glad he is going to serve at least some time in jail.
Considering what Michael Jackson's income and earnings potential were, a wrongful death action brought on behalf of his children could wipe out whatever savings Murray has.
As for the California medical license, it was suspended before trial and will almost certainly now be revoked. I have no idea whether Murray is licensed in other states.
He also had a license to practice in Nevada, which was suspended at the same time as his California one.
Considering those three are already worth hundreds of millions, I'm not sure how well that would go over with the public. They'd have to make it clear that anything they would get in a settlement would be donated to charity IMO.
They are all still minors. There's no way that their legal representative (most likely Michael Jackson's mother) could agree to that or that any court would approve it either, if it went to litigation. It's likely that any funds received would be kept in trust until the kids reached the age of eighteen, at which time the children could decide what to do with it.
Yes, there might be a public relations problem, but, then again, the guy is responsible for their father's death! Why should he be able to hold on to any money he made from his star client?
I don't see how a jury could have reached any other verdict. No, Murray did not have any intention of killing Michael Jackson (involuntary), he was Murray's jackpot. But, yes, Michael Jackson did die (manslaughter) due to the propofol that Murray obtained and administered.
Murray should lose his license. Greed overrode all of his ethical and professional obligations and responsibilities.
I will say, if it wasn't Murray, it would have been someone else. MJ would have found another doctor willing to do the same. Sad, but true.
And the CPR thing still gets me. But I've seen many people fail in similar situations. I had 2 cardiac arrests in July. I was in a public place when the 1st one happened (the 2nd one happened at the hospital). Not one single person, including my husband, administered CPR. Wow, just wow. You never know. I can't believe I'm still here even able to write about this stuff.
The thing that makes me the most angry about this case is Murray's obvious abuse of authority. How are you going to let an addict tell you what he wants and you acquiesce?
Murray was greedy. He gave MJ enough drugs to kill an elephant before he even gave him the propofol. And, even after he gave him the fatal dosage he tried to cover it up. He didn't call for help....he called his effin' assistant before he called 911.
And it really pissed me off to watch him while the verdict was being read. No remorse, no emotion, nothing. He just sat there looking like a complete and total ass.
Murray was already in dire financial straits (he had to pay child support on 6 kids), so there isn't anything for anyone to collect. I hope he had malpractice insurance to pay for the civil suit that is coming.
Murray had licenses to practice in TX, CA, NV and HI. CA has already been suspended. The other states are expected to follow suit.
So...which of you is correct?
NV was suspended also. I apologize.
He was actually never paid. (He also had the nerve to complain about that and demand his money right after MJ died.)
Probably he won't serve much time because of overcrowding, like others have said, but there's a little bit of hope because the judge doesn't seem to like him all that much. Sentencing will be on Nov 29.
No surprise. MJ was notorious for not paying people or his bills. It's why he was so in debt. But his many creditors are being paid now that he's unable to spend money as quickly as (or before) he earned it.
Lawyers Ask For Probation
I know that rules should not be different for an entertainer than for anyone else. Yet I can't help but think about how the man who played such a (the) major role in the death of MICHAEL FRICKIN' JACKSON might serve zero days in jail? Damn...
Mr. Remorse, that's Dr. Murray to be sure...
Murray has been given the maximum (4 years in prison) sentence- latest news.
I'm sorry....but that's just not enough. I don't think that the punishment fits the crime. It's unsettling. Is this what 2011 will be known for?
He was tried for involuntary manslaughter (not murder). For that crime, the punishment is in line. I agree that he deserves a much bigger punishment, but according to our law and the trial he had, this is the most he is going to get. He may even get out in 2 years.
That's bad. Really, really bad.
Hardly - except maybe for the Jackson family and ubers.
I'm referring to crazy/unexpected verdicts. Casey Anthony, Amanda Knox, and now Conrad Murray. I realize that he received the max for the involuntary manslaughter sentence, but it still doesn't feel like enough. This whose abuse of authority caused the death of someone else. I don't like it.
What I heard reported on the news was that he may get 2 years of house arrest (along with losing his license) .
The whole thing is obscene - *any* doctor that administers propofol outside of a hospital environment (and if he isn't one himself, along with an anesthesiologist present, plus the correct monitoring equipment) should have his license yanked and be prosecuted to the hilt. IMO Conrad Murray should have be charged and found guilty of Second Degree Murder, not involuntary manslaughter.
I don't mind his sentence. Sometimes murderers or rapists, or drunk drivers (!)who went out and intentionally did their crimes...and will do it again, get out earlier than that. I am always surprised how drunk drivers, who kill someone, don't often get murder charges against them.
Murray grossly abused his authority and is guilty of everything he was accused of. But, I firmly believe that if it hadn't been him, it would have been another doctor, someone equally desperate for money and willing to overlook the rules for the celebrity, who would have done this for Michael. Michael would have just kept looking for someone to do this for him.
I don't think he's that much of a danger to society... unlike those others i mentioned above. If I met him in an alley, I wouldn't fear for my life. That might be a simple summary on sentences, but that's how i feel. I think it would hurt him far more to lose his licenses and ability to practice. I don't think jail is for everyone.
It stuns me that one can take another's life and be sentenced for just four years. 25 seems like a good number to me. Maybe less if it was accidental. (And having alcohol in your system, or if one had been using a cell phone or blackberry...would not count as accidental deaths.)
I agree with your entire post. To lose the ability to practice? That is serious punishment.
And personally, I do not consider Michael Jackson an innocent victim. I agree that if not for Murray, he would have eventually found someone to give him what he wants. The super-rich always can. And with the issues that MJ had, I doubt that he would have lived to see 60. Perhaps not even 55.
I won't even bring up the serious crimes that I believe MJ got away with for most of his life.
The issue is not whether you are rich or not, it's whether you are an addict or not. Addicts are not innocent or guilty. They are however, very much in need of health care professionals to act professionally.
What crimes are you referring to and what proof do you have that these crimes were committed?
Or are you gossiping?
One can't be helped unless they want to be helped. MJ wasn't looking for help, but was looking for someone to supply him with what he wanted. Reportedly, many health care professionals turned MJ down and refused to be his yes-doc. Eventually he found one.
Oh PUH-LEESE!! Sleep-overs at his ranch with boys who shared his bed, trips where he shared his bed with boys, millions of dollars paid in settlements...typical behavior, huh?
Believe (or don't believe) what you like.
Regardless of whether or not MJ was an addict or if he was a criminal, he didn't deserve to die like that. No one does.
I think the doctor did lose his license and will not be able to have house arrest, probably will have to do two years in jail, although Lindsay Lohan surely got off comparatively.
That does not justify his actions, IMO. It is like saying that if x had not murdered this person, y would have, and therefore x's crime was not all that serious.
It is particularly disturbing that a doctor abused his power. A doctor is someone we trust our lives to. You cannot blame a patient if a doctor kills him (that's essentially what CM did); a patient is sick. A doctor's duty is to help him, not knowingly give him what would kill him eventually.
However, given the fact that Murray was charged with involuntary manslaughter and not with a second degree murder- fairly or unfairly- it was all the punishment he could get. I am at least glad that he did not go scott free.
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