Confirmed as a new pair: Aliona Savchenko and Bruno Massot

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  1. Xela M

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    Time will tell if Aliona is as great a pair skater as Artur Dmitriev who could turn a brick wall into an Olympic champion because he was good enough to skate for two :D it's all down to Steuer and Aliona now. It will be an interesting project.

    Funnily enough, in '98 Woetzel and Steuer lost to Kazakova and Dmitriev in Nagano.
  2. Irish-Angel

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    Ladys and gents, you´re watching "War and peace" on ice :lol: Robin go start studying psychology, they might need some quite exclusive pairs therapy :lol::lol:

    But seriously my respect for Robin grows bigger and bigger ....A & S are certainly no peace of cake ...
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  3. Xela M

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    When are we likely to see this awesome new pair (Aliona/Bruno) skate? What could be their first competitive outing?
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    There was a past girlfriend who was reported to have jealously guarded Szolkowy to the point where S/S couldn't share a congratulatory kiss after completing a program. (At least she wasn't as bad as Gusmeroli, who insisted that Carron/Jost's *programs* be so PG-rated that Mrs. Shibutani would approve.) With his self-described tendency to avoid confrontation, maybe he has a type that takes over. What could be worse than having someone else take control over what you were used to controlling?
  5. Pasdedeux

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    I don't think they have ever actually "shared" a congratulatory kiss :)
  6. Robin26

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    Does any one know what Massot's ex partner is up to? I cant imagine her retiring. She is too young.
  7. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    From a new interview posted by somcutza: http://www.insideskating.net/2014/0...-if-you-dont-take-the-risk-you-will-never-win
    Excerpt:
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    I didn't realise that Ingo Steuer has collaborated with Fontana and Zimmerman, that's interesting.
  9. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    He and S/S have spent some time in Coral Gables, Florida in May (I believe) when there was no ice in Chemnitz.

    ETA:
    From the interview linked in post #247:
    From this German article: http://www.bz-berlin.de/sport/mehr-...on-savchenko-amp-szolkowy-article1833503.html
    Google translation of the bolded excerpt above: "This week coached Aliona with her new partner Bruno Massot (25/Frankreich) in Caen, ..."
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  10. The Observer

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    Thank-you for bumping this thread, Sylvia. :)
  11. Eladola

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    Would love to have photos of them together surfacing already :swoon:
  12. The Observer

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    Haven't seen much of Massot so far, but he looks like a good-looking Frenchman. :)

    Many Europeans speak multiple languages, so I assume one of them knows French/German and that they can communicate okay?
  13. lily

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  14. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Google translation of an excerpt of the above article:
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  16. The Observer

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    I can understand why there are some objections above to Savchenko switching nationality again. When you are an athlete you are a representing a country, and ideally you should have a connection to that country. You also need to pick one country to represent because the sports community and the general public will eventually object if there are too many changes of allegiance.

    Obviously these international partnerships are challenging for the skaters, but I do agree that athletes cannot play musical chairs too many times.
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    Popova/Massot spent some time training with Steuer, so I doubt there will be any communication problems.
  18. The Observer

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    That would make sense. As I said above, Europeans are usually farther ahead than we North Americans when it comes to learning languages. :)
  19. Xela M

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    The article says they will skate for France because France won't release Massot and Germany (bizarrely) agreed to release Savchenko. She said if Germany were to reconsider and start paying Steuer she would even be prepared to take a 2-year ban into account because she would prefer to skate for Germany. However, as things stand, they will skate for France. Aliona said she wants the Gold medal in 2018 at all costs.
  20. Eladola

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    Oh no…

    This has the potential to be soooo devastating :(


    Hope she doesn't pull a Fusar-poli if he falls on her at Olympics :rolleyes:
  21. The Observer

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    Here's the 2006 Olympics OD of F-P & M: (some funny comments by EuroSport commentator at the end) :D

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY08tShyvAo
  22. lily

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    Why it should be exactly the same..? :) I'm thrilled to see Savchenko-Massot already at All That Skate! At least intriguing.
  23. Irish-Angel

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    It´s getting even more bizarre: according to "Süddeutsche Zeitung" they will start for France but train in Chemnitz......According to them, "because the conditions are better". They were in Caen to check the conditions there.

    But the decision doesn't seem to be final yet...

    "Eine endgültige Entscheidung über einen möglichen Wechsel der Staatsbürgerschaft soll in den kommenden Monaten fallen. "Der deutsche Verband berät noch", sagte Trainer Ingo Steuer. (Süddeutsche Zeitung)

    Translation: "A final decision about changing Nationalities again will be made in the upcoming months. "The german federation is still taking counsel", coach Ingo Steuer said.

    Here is the link: http://www.sueddeutsche.de/news/spo...a.urn-newsml-dpa-com-20090101-140427-99-01439
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  24. Lyinna

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    If Aliona hopes to get french citizenship, it will be much easier for her if she actually lives in France.
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    Yes, but it looks like the whole for thraining needed infrastructure is better in Chemnitz. In addition, this is one of the cheapest cities in Germany with regard to the cost of living.
  26. Lyinna

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    I get why they would train in Chemnitz, but if she doesn't speak french and doesn't live in France, it could be harder for her to get french citizenship before 2018.
  27. Eladola

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    And eats croissants and baguettes
  28. kirkbiggestfan

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    I kinda knew that Didier G. would never release Bruno. That's the stance the French Fed has been taking for years. It ruined the career of Blanchard who could have skated for Russia earlier in his career. Now, in the unlikely event that Gwendal gets elected as the French Fed President, he would probably take a more human stance. That may be the reason why they are waiting 3 months.
    If Aliona and Bruno have good results and are potential Olympic medalists, Aliona will get her French citizenship in no time. A French politician will step in and help.
  29. Sylvia

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    Quite a public debut if in fact Savchenko/Massot will perform at Yuna Kim's ice shows next week!
  30. nicolas23

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    good news for france then
  31. nicolas23

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    if they really perform next week it means that they are matching pretty well then
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  33. Ziggy

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    There aren't any available partners for Savchenko in Germany, though. So you can't really object because her choice is either not skate any more or to switch the country again.

    I think it's extremely unlikely that the German government is going to re-consider Steuer's case on an individual basis (adherence to the rules, regulations and the law seems very important in German culture) so them representing France is probably a done deal. It would be great if DEU managed to surprise us all, though.

    The height difference is huge! 4twist and throw 4flip incoming? :)
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    Pretty unlikely: maybe yes. Impossible: no. I´ve done a research lately about the beginnings of the stasi affair, which included Steuer, but he wasn´t the only case. There were obviously more coaches who were incriminated having collaborated with the Stasi. Three cases (including Steuer) were found guilty, as the allegations were considered especially serious in their cases. One coach simply has withdrawn from his work. The second one went to the
    Olympics in Torino so much as undisturbed (his back covered by the german ski fed DSV). He is still working as a coach for german athletes now.
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  35. Ziggy

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    If a miracle happened and Steuer's situation was re-considered and he was given funding, I think that the 2-year sit out could paradoxically work in Savchenko/Massot's favour. By the time they compete in their first event, they would have already been 'soup.'
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    If they're already being invited to Kim's show, during those two years they could earn money skating in as many shows as they can get, without worrying about a competition schedule.
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  37. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    OMG, that photo! How exciting.

    Two years is a lot IMO. Petrova/Tikhonov, for example, WON their second Worlds (and I think Savchenko/Massot have more potential than they did). Volosozhar/Trankov were soup after only a year, winning silver at Worlds, and they could have won their second Worlds if not for a mistake in the SP. If S/M have to miss two whole seasons, they are only giving themselves one chance to win the Worlds before they skate at the Olympics. Really, it was short-sighted of her to skate at this year's Worlds. She should have sat them out like Volosozhar so she could have done 2015 Worlds.

    I also think, judging by these photos and the fact that they're already skating in a show, Savchenko/Massot are gunners and would be bored and restless sitting around for a very long period of time without doing competitions other than Nationals. Clearly, they want to be seen, and the next season or two are an opportune time if V/T take time off and plan to start up again in 2017. France seems to have more national competitions than Germany as well so they could probably compete at French Masters or something.
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    Sort-sighted and impulsive, considering that she told Radford last fall she was planning to continue with a new partner after this season. She was the one who insisted on Worlds, and she already knew that Sochi wouldn't be her last competition.
  39. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    Yeah, I don't know why she convinced Robin to skate at Worlds knowing she wanted to compete next season.
  40. Irish-Angel

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    Forgive me to say that but that is just crap, for the lack of better words. I get it that missing the worlds she wouldn´t have to sit out a year (but that is what they might need anyway to become a successful pair), but what she also wanted (like every skater in pairs who already had a very successful and fulfilling career) was a satisfying end of that.
    By the time this pairing up came out, it wasn´t even sure who it is going to be. Aliona said in a recent interview that she would even sit out two years if this means she could skate for Germany again. Like it or not, it became her second home.