Confess your sins

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by alchemy void, May 10, 2012.

  1. paskatefan

    paskatefan Well-Known Member

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    You're not alone. I'm a big fan of Michal too. I really like him, and he's one of my favorite international skaters (along with "Taka").
  2. judiz

    judiz Well-Known Member

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    I still think Johnny should had scored higher in Vancouver

    I still think if you fall on the ice, slide across the ice, crash into the boards, then you have no business being on the podium (even if it was a quad you crashed on)

    I definitely think Johnny should had won gold in the 2008 Nationals

    I miss Tiffany Chin 's skating

    every time I saw Timmy G. skate, I thought of Justin Timberlake

    I think Evan Lysacek needs to grow a personality and learn to speak without the monotone

    I absolutely hate how usfs ignored the AIDS crisis and the fact that so many fine young skaters were dying of the disease

    I was happy when ABC lost the commentating for nationals because then I didn't have to listen to Peggy anymore

    I miss Terry Gannon though

    I never understood ice dancing

    I hate listening to Scott H's doing commentating

    I miss skating on tv
  3. flipforsynchro

    flipforsynchro New Member

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    You have great taste :D
  4. berthesghost

    berthesghost Well-Known Member

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    :lol: I love a good cutting-off-ones'-nose-to-spite-ones'-face story!
  5. pumpa

    pumpa New Member

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    I miss Dick Button.:slinkaway
  6. Johnny_Fever

    Johnny_Fever New Member

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    Agree.

    Agree.

    Do you mean to suggest there are gays in this sport?

    Agree.

    Its kind of an acquired taste.
  7. BmcC102

    BmcC102 Active Member

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    I like Peggy and Sandra as commentators.

    I don't think Robin Wagner is all that strange as a coach. Most skatings coaches are that weird (or weirder!).

    I don't mind flutzes, but hate lips.

    I can't find it in myself to like a lady who wears beige/tan skates.When skaters switch to them I cringe! That, and I say prayers to the skating gods that they will go back to white skates (it worked with Miki in the 09 season, and Mao this past season, but still hoping for Aleona and now Miki, again!).
  8. love_skate2011

    love_skate2011 Well-Known Member

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    under the immortal words from Morozov

    " Let the Old Woman try " :rofl:
  9. gkelly

    gkelly Well-Known Member

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    I like flying upright spins.
  10. Shyjosie

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    I like athletic skaters who show powerful programs.
  11. BmcC102

    BmcC102 Active Member

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    Ultimate Sin!

    In watching Nationals/Olympic Trials/Olympics, I can't help but think that I might now prefer gymnastics to figure skating... :shuffle:
  12. lemongrass

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    Michelle Kwan. I don't understand why I find her skating boring but I do. I always preferred Sasha Cohen.
    I find death spirals and biellman spins boring.
  13. EuroWaltzing

    EuroWaltzing New Member

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    Oleg Vasiliev was my first skater crush. As a teenage girl watching Elena and him compete in the 80s, I couldn't help but be attracted to his self-confidence and his ability to be unaffected by anything. I'm further attracted to the very handsome man that he has become today. Yes, I've had impure thoughts about him many times!!!!! When I see him dressed all in black in the kiss'n'cry, I melt.

    More impure thoughts about Smirnov, Trankov, and Joubert.

    Oh and here's a sin and what may actually get my Canadian citizenship removed (and I'm a born-in-Canada Canadian!): Lori Nichol is unprofessional and provides skaters with terrible choreography. There I said it. Her programs are too feminine even for female skaters and her ability to separate skaters from their respective coaches is unprofessional in my opinion.
  14. Skater91

    Skater91 New Member

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    I have been reading threads on here for a while now but haven't posted anything yet so I thought this would be the place to start.

    I wouldnt say these are my greatest sins because I am proud of my opinions but these are probably the 2 most frowned upon opinions on FSU.

    1. I really enjoy watching Rachael Flatt. I don't care if she is bigger than the other girls, if she was too big to be a skater she wouldn't be able to do what she can do! Plus I have never found her skating boring like others claim she is. She is the most underrated American Skater!

    2. I don't think Michelle Kwan was all that great. Yes she was World Champion for multiple years but I just dont understand the hype about her. Her jumps were small and not very impressive plus she barely ever went for the hard triple triple combination jumps. My views are the same for Sasha Cohen!

    Here are my thoughts on other skaters.

    Akiko Suzuki is the BEST! I just love her for the heart she puts into her skating and the fact that you can see she is enjoying herself when she skates! If she would have only competed one clean long program this past season!

    Carolina Kostner is amazing I just hate the watered down programs when she doesn't attempt a lutz at all. I think when she learnt from Frank Caroll he messed with her head so she would skate bad again to give Mirai a better chance! Although her programs and costumes were horrible that year and didnt stand a chance to begin with!

    Alissa Czisny - Her jumps are horrible and her transitions are non-existent

    Ashley Wagner - In person when I met her was stuck up and rude. Although when her jumps are landed properly and not two footed I think they are pretty good in terms of height and flow. Not necessarily the best technically though.

    Mirai Nagasu - Remember at US nationals 2010 when she said it wasn't her time yet, well it was and she is done. She needs to quit or at least lose the extra pounds she put on the last 2 seasons.

    Agnes Zawadzki - Could be great but is way to inconsistent.

    Alena Leonova, Ksenia Makarova, Adam Rippon - Urgh. Cover my eyes I cant watch.

    Miki Ando - Deserved to win worlds both years and I dont care if her program components are not the best. She is still amazing to me.

    Gracie Gold - Not that hyped about her, I think the excited over her is that there is actually an American lady that can land some big jumps for once!

    Patrick Chan - Is the Best! Deserves to win, even when he falls over.

    Virtue and Moir are way better than D/W. I am a singles skater so don't know much about Dance in terms of levels but it worlds went the way I saw it I would have liked 1.V/M 2.P/B 3.W/P 4.D/W

    Overused music doesn't really bother me if the program is good.

    Love Yuna and Mao.

    Kanako Murakami is underrated and should have been winning the short program at Worlds and 4 Continents especially!

    I think that Tara lipinski, Sarah hughes and S/P were all deserving Olympic Champions and it should not even have been in question that they shouldnt have won! Totally Underrated!

    That is all for now! From now on I will be posting some more!
  15. sk8ingcoach

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    Michelle kwan although consistent, has ugly jumps and was boring. A good spiral and flailing arms dont impress me, i want to see the harder combinations which she could never do.

    Carolina Kostner and Patrick Chan have the best skating skills in the world, and they deserve the high components marks even if they fall.

    Rachael Flatt was cheated at olympics, she deserved 4th, maybe even 3rd

    Alena Leonova - Worst skating skills

    Alissa Czisny - Worst jumps and transitions ive ever seen. She will never make it to the podium at worlds

    Never liked Mirai Nagasu, her flailing arms didn't distract me from her under-rotated jumps

    I think Kavaguti & Smirnov are under-rated. I believe that if they pulled off to clean programs that they could beat Savchenko and Szolkowy

    Kiira Korpi is over-scored in components

    Laura Lepisto would have done well last season

    Ksenia Makarova will never do a clean long

    Carolina Kostner currently has the best jumps in the world ( exception of lutz of course )

    Richard Dornbush should not have any GP assignments because of his poor results at Nationals and 4CC. Armin Mahbanoozideh should have his spots
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  16. ArtisticFan

    ArtisticFan Well-Known Member

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    Couldn't stand Sasha's inability to do a clean long program, but I find myself brushing off Alissa's mistakes.

    Loved Gordeeva and Grinkov's competitive days, but hated many of their pro days.

    Will never forgive Johnny Weir for stepping on my foot in Atlanta in 2004.

    I'm entertained by Evan Lysacek's skating.

    I find Carolina Kostner boring and find no redeeming qualities in her skating.

    I cannot stand watching Davis and White. They both annoy me.

    I much preferred S&P to B&S in 2002.

    I preferred Oksana to Nancy in 1994.

    I didn't mind Irina's head grabbing in Tosca or her card dealing.
  17. museksk8r

    museksk8r Holding an edge and looking dangerously sexy

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    :wideeyes::eek::rofl: More like she, along with Ando, was gifted in the SP. I would have had Flatt in the penultimate group of the LP rather than 5th after the SP. :shuffle:
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  19. Jiazumi

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    I find Kwan, Kim, Czisny, Rippon, Takahiko, and Chan extremely boring.

    Pairs skating is so boring to me, it looks like they all do the same lifts; no originality.

    Virtue & Moir are so overrated, it's not even funny. They also come off as being conceited snobs so that doesn't help.

    Davis & White should have won bronze in 2009, gold at 2010 worlds, and gold at 2012 worlds. They are the future of ice dance.

    Meryl's voice use to really annoy me, but now I'm use to it. :lol:
    I think Charlie should cut his hair, like for good. The long locks aren't working dude.

    I don't mind tights over boots
    I actually like tan/beige boots.

    And lastly, I think Savchenko is prettier than Belbin :p
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  20. dots

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    I hope he wasn't wearing skates!!!!
  21. misskarne

    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

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    I don't know if I like Jason's new short program costume. :eek:
  22. sk8ingcoach

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    Rachael did clean 3F-3T in the short. I agree that Ando was gifted, but rachael was not. Joannie didnt do 3-3, Mirai didnt do 3-3, Carolina didnt do 3-3. I dont understand why you would put her in a lower group when probably the other person that did a harder 3-3 combination was yuna.

    And in the long, those 3Flips shouldnt have been downgraded and if they werent, she would have been 4th and perhaps very close to 3rd.
  23. Vagabond

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    Regardless of whether Flatt was "gifted," she still shouldn't have been ranked higher than Nagasu, whose PCS marks in the Short Program suffered from having to skate so early due to her low World Ranking.

    Flatt's PCS in the SP was 1.08 higher than Nagasu's, and for what? I think the two skaters' respective PCS are a classic example of reputation-judging and of why starting orders in international competition should not be based on World Ranking.

    ETA: After posting this, I remembered that sk8ingcoach has posted on FSU that she was one of Flatt's coaches in Colorado. Although her bias in favor of her former trainee is understandable, it strikes me that if Flatt's coaches had been more dispassionate about her strengths and weaknesses, they would have worked with her more (or at least differently) on her components.
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  24. AlexeiNewsGirl

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    Me too!
    And I also think Morosov to be somewhat hot.:yikes:
  25. museksk8r

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    Not only her components, but Rachael's Lutz attempt in the SP was not clean or well done. A tougher panel could have had grounds for marking it as UR, just as Ando's flip/lip attempt should have been marked more severely for UR. The Vancouver panel was way too lax with both of them, IMO.
  26. Jammers

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    Rachael's skating wasn't anywhere near as good in overall quality as Joannie or for that matter Mirai. Now way should Flatt have been near the medal stand.
  27. Jun Y

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    After reading about Holly Cook in the "choreographic WTF" thread, I went on YouTube and looked up some of her programs. I found them kind of fascinating and enjoyable in a campy way. A commentator complained that she was "masculine," but I kind of liked it.
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  28. sk8ingcoach

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    Well firstly i need to say that no, i have never been one of her coaches. I will also agree that yes her components marks shouldn't be as high as Mirai or Joannie for sure. However it is my belief that in her free program, her 3flips were clean, and if they were marked fairly then she would have placed 4th and maybe 3rd because her technical mark would have been much higher.
  29. Skater91

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    In the video replay from Olympics the 2 triple flips that received the downgraded were on the borderline 7 cheat (quarter cheat), so they should have been ratified at clean. However even if they were in doubt and had to replay them in slow motion the Technical Panel is always meant to go in favour of the Skater when in doubt and in this case I think don't think they did. If they had of been called fully rotated her technical score would have been higher than both Mirai and Joannie, thus placing her in 4th overall.

    I do not believe that she should have been given higher components than Mirai and Joannie. I think she was placed fairly in the short but was judged unfairly in the Free skate!
  30. Vagabond

    Vagabond Well-Known Member

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    Ah, I misunderstood or misremembered this post:

    :eek:

    I still think you're overstating your case. Flatt's Total Score in Vancouver was almost eight points behind Nagasu's and twenty points behind Rochette's. Full credit for two triple flips in the FS wouldn't have gotten her even fourth place, let alone third, even with her unfair advantage over Nagasu in PCS.
  31. sk8ingcoach

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    Oopsy.. Well i must clarify that i have not coached are trained with Rachael, merely coached at the same rink and in the same sessions as her during olympic season ( i apologize for my incorrect statement)

    In terms of the full credit on the 3Flips, you are mistaken. The base score of a 3F+3T is 9.50 points, whereas she got 5.70 because of the supposed downgrade. And for the second flip, the base value of 3F+2T+2Lo x is 9.13 where as she got 4.95 because of the downgrade. That is a difference of 8 points just on base values. If you take into account the negative GOE marks that she would not have received if they marked her jumps clean, then she would have been ahead of Mirai.

    I will conclude by saying that, yeah she probably wouldnt have beaten Joannie if they were marked clean, but she would have absolutely beaten Mirai and fairly so.
  32. Vagabond

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    Flatt received positive GOE on her 3F<+3T, and GOE of -0.06 on her 3F<+2T+2Lo.

    One could easily argue that she was gifted here, given that she did underrotate those flips. ;)
  33. sk8ingcoach

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    There was NO WAY she did MORE than a 1/4 cheat on either of the 3Flips.
  34. DORISPULASKI

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    Oooo

    That would be sweet! But who would you have Elena skate with after Nikita leaves? She is too good to be left out with no one, too!
  35. Triple Butz

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    I'm no fan of Rachael, but I am in complete agreement that those flips were both clean and should have been given full credit. It was a horrendously awful call.
  36. Jenna

    Jenna Well-Known Member

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    The worst calls of the entire Olympics, and maybe ever. I definitely would have protested those calls. Those flips couldn't have been cleaner!
  37. B.Cooper

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    Flatt's Olympic LP:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1K_xsVCvEmQ&feature=related

    Nagasu's Olympic LP:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ekjreo9CH-I&feature=related

    And just for comparison, ;)
    Ando's Olympic LP:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTX09GUugpo

    and

    Rochette's Olympic LP:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyzkQQms3rA&feature=related
  38. Blair

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    I have to say, Rachael's flips looked rotated to me. Even so, the best she would/could have scored in that performance would have been under 125 points with the flips rotated. She has a claim to be in 5th, but certainly no higher.

    Her skating was sooo slow! No way that was podium material.
  39. sk8ingcoach

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    If the flips were marked clean, her higher technical score would have placed her above Mirai.
  40. Jenna

    Jenna Well-Known Member

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    I think if Flatt was given credit for those flips, we also would have seen a bigger number from Mirai.

    I'm still not convinced Mirai should have been off the podium. But Rachael should have been 5th for sure.