Coaching change for Florent Amodio

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  1. Zemgirl

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    They can all go with Joubert to the newly renovated Poitiers rink? :D

    The renovation proposal does look nice. The project doesn't start until after the Olympics, right?

    Calling it tremendous twice won't make it true. Amodio's 2011-2012 was not an improvement over the previous season: he had an awful GP, failed to defend his Euro title and, and while he did well at Worlds, it wasn't vastly better than 2011 (and he wasn't the top French guy, either). For that matter, his 2011 season was a breakthrough because of the GP medals and Euros title, but I don't think it was "tremendous" either. Interestingly he did not win French Nats in either of those seasons (actually, Amodio has never beaten Joubert at Nats). Dai had a wonderful showing in 2011-12, but he was not coached by Morozov at the time so that's irrelevant. In 2011-12, their first season with Morozov, I/K moved up one spot at Euros (to the bronze position vacated by the Kerrs, who had retired) and two at Worlds. Again, not a vast improvement and not a tremendous season. I suspect they'd had a similar trajectory had they stayed with Zhulin.

    Leonova in 2011-2012 I'll grant you, it wasn't that consistent (7th in Euros) but she did have some great results. I'm not sure how much time she spends working with Morozov though. You can also make an argument that Javier Fernandez improved a fair bit under Morozov - but he also improved greatly under Orser after stagnating with Morozov.
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    Very true . Stagnation was a big problem. Stagnation and poor programs.
  3. Nmsis

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    Financially, yes, I think so. And the fed has asked Garde to choreograph the future tour of the french team this spring. :cheer2:
    Checking on her facebook, she has been spending a week per month in Bercy to work with all the skaters, along with Line Haddad and Catherine Glaise.


    :lol: I think the girls would rather go with Claude Péri if she goes back to Dammary ;) . Her contract with the fed is only 2 years long. But would Krier go along / move there ? That's another story.
    The boys would be inspired to consider Poitiers. Especially Champigny's. The fed pushes all the promissing boys there but they still don't know how to spin after 2 years. And they start stagnating after a year or 2. That's appalling .


    In March. It's okay for Sochi.
    The preparation for Worlds will be more chaotic.
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  5. unicorn

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    Don't understand why Amodio is so obsessed with the idea working with Yagudin. I didn't see any improvement on his jumps after they worked together a couple of times.
  6. Doubletoe

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    Maybe Yagudin gives Florent his undivided attention while Morozov is too busy with his Russian skaters? It seems to be the most common complaint about Morozov (that he spreads himself too thin) and I know the Russian Federation wants his attention to be on his Russian skaters as the Sochi Olympics are coming up.
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    http://spb.itar-tass.com/c20/834264.html

    Alexei answered about Amodio in this interview.
    Alexei will help Amodio to improve skating technique , but does not have any plans to work as a coach with anyone as he told in the past.
    It was the same he always said in many interviews and I think Itar-Tass is one of reliable masmedias in Russia.
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  8. unicorn

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    I can't believe French Federation really helped Amodio out with that. Yagudin always stated he's not interested in coaching right now in his interviews, not even consultant work, but if someone asks him, I don't think he will just turn them down. I only hope it won't turn out to be another ugly thing and Amodio will really get the kind of help as he expected.
  9. lala

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    http://fskating.com/2013/08/yagudin-to-help-amodio-with-consultation.html
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    hi, unicorn!;) I'm fine thanks. :p You know I'm a big fan of Plush, but I don't hate Yag or any other skaters...Plushy's fans don't hate anyone!! and not hate Yagudin, unlike Yagudin's fans. Don't you know why that is? :rolleyes: :D
  12. unicorn

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    Don't worry, I don't hate Plushenko, I just don't care about him. I guess lots of other Yagudin fans too, they just don't bother to pretend they like Plushenko too.

    I have another Yagudin's video you will be interested too.
    Look! He's so impolite,,,,,,,,,,to that bottle, enjoy, and don't forget to leave a message again:"He's so impolit!"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6rv-uTpCohk&t=376
  13. leapfrogonice

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    It would be pointless to argue. Both have their individual greatness. And alas, we will never see them compete against each other again. Fans find love easier (and haters mellow out a bit) as the years go by. And that's a good thing.
  14. lala

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    Oh, no...I also don't care about Alexei.. I follow https://twitter.com/worldskating and I found that article today, I thought some members going to like it. :D But I read many Russian article about figure skating!! I'm not looking for articles on Alexei. :rofl:


    What? I don't know what are you talking about http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6rv-uTpCohk&t=376...

    impolite? why?

    oh, I just understand..yes he was..:lol:
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  15. Nmsis

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    The french fed has apparently issued a communiqué saying that Amodio has now officially a new coach : Yagudin. :rofl:
    It says that Florent "will be accompanied and monitored by Alexei Yagudin, who will be by his side until July 22.
    This first collaboration could go on in the following months and until the OG". :rofl::rofl::rofl:

    Yes, it is total nonsense and self-contradictory (Amodio has now an new coach ... for 10 days ... and maybe they'll work together a few times before the OG ... ).
    But that's Gailhaguet stating he is in control, even if he isn't, so what did you expect ? :p
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    I wish them both luck in the collaboration, I hope Florent can learn what Alexi will be trying to teach him.No matter how good the coach,it's up to the student to implement the lessons they were taught.
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    Love this, Alexei coaching :)
  21. VarBar

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    If the French Federation foots the training bill of Amodio, maybe it wouldn't be totally wrong to assume that Gailhaguet is in control though?;)

    Who is covering Yagudin's expenses in Courchevel and his coaching fee?

    I suppose it's up to Yagudin if he wants to work with Amodio for longer periods or even be Florent's full-time coach?
  22. Nmsis

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    The fed pays the bill but is it really its money ?

    1° Because it's a small federation, because figure skating has a mixed image in France and because the FFSG has a terrible image, hence sponsoring is scarce, the FFSG is predominantly funded by the french state (who is quite fed up with this situation). Ie Gailhaguet must answer for the use of the fed's money.

    2° each year, the french Ministry of Sport establishes a (select) list of high level french athletes, based on the previous year's results. The ministry knows exactly which athletes are supposed to get funding and the fed would be in trouble if they were not. Every skater from the national team gets its skating expenses paid in full by the fed. The fed may play the money game with "second rank" skaters or ex-skaters (and it did), but not with their star skaters.

    3° Part of the FFSG money is actually Florent's. The fed pays extra training expenses (foreign coaches, extra help) on his prize money and will give him the remaining money later.

    So if Gailhaguet has immediate financial control (very effective in a 6 months frame like with Péchalat/Bourzat), he doesn't have total control (if he was playing that in the long run, he would be in trouble with the ministry and probably with some courts).



    You can assume he's in control based on the communiqués he is publishing. There was a communiqué from the fed thanking Morozov and thanking Katia Krier for taking Florent in the national team camp in the second part of July.
    There was a communiqué from the fed about Florent working with Yag, vague enough to make uninformed people think it was a solution to the separation with Morozov. But the mere fact that those communiqués are vague, misleading and have holes shows they are written to highlight some things ... and leave some others in the dark.

    What was pushed into the light ? The thanks to Morozov, the national summer camp with Katia Krier and now the camp with Yagudin.
    What was left in the dark ? The fed took a month before admitting Florent's situation. Gailhaguet wanted to have things up his sleeve before anyone started to talk. He wants to appear in control. And the most obvious, the one whose-name-shall-not-be-mentioned. Morozov wasn't Florent's only coach. Glesser was coaching Florent when he was in France. This hasn't changed. Why wasn't his name mentionned anywhere ? Why didn't the fed mention where Florent was between Vaujany (national camp with Krier) and Courchevel (with Yag) ? Well, he was in Méribel, with Glesser (and Lucine as those two often have their summer camp together).

    I doubt Florent has remained inactive on the coaching front, waiting for whatever solution Gailhaguet would bring. Amodio going back to Glesser is the last thing Gailhaguet wants. He's never going to acknowledge anything in that regard until he can't avoid it. And he's going to try and build an alternative solution Florent can't say no to. But that's almost impossible, given the period and the timeframe.

    You can see it both ways. Either Florent chose the worse period to split with Morozov because it will be hard for Gailhaguet to organize anything for him now. Or he chose the best period to force Gailhaguet's hand and regain control over his training program. So who's in control here ? :p
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  23. marysy

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    Why is Gailhaguet so against Glesser as Amodio's coach? From everything I've read, Amodio has regularly worked with Glesser when he's in France and they work well together, especially as Glesser trained Florent from a young age and knows him well. Wouldn't it make sense for them to continue the relationship instead of starting with someone new in an Olympic year? Or is it simply a matter of Glesser being not big enough of a name for Gailhaguet's taste?
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    What is Gailhaguet's background? Was he a skater himself? He seems SUCH a powerful political figure, with all the good and bad that could be implied by such a descriptor.
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    He competed in the 1970's but not with any great results - 13th at 1972 Olympics and I think his best finish at Worlds was 10th. He was later a coach.
  27. sykr

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    Thank you very much for all information, Nmsis !!!! I really appreciate to read your comments.
    I'd like to ask you one question...I don' get why the French federation (or Gailhaguet? ) seems to act so badly with its own coaches and champions. I mean, I learnt Anissina helps the French team from her crazy husband:p At the same time, there are tons of articles about training camps with Yagudin, pics with Lucinda Ruh,... But zero mention of Anissina ( and, I suppose, of many other specialists, but she's probably the most titled one). I only read one article the last season, where Morgan Cypres mentioned they were very happy with her help and now Florent mentioned Marina. It's cool that at least skaters give her some credit.
    But OMG, A/P are the only French modern era olympic champions, so why does the federation make it look like they don't exist? Why they ( or Abitbol/Bernadis, Tobel,...) are never invited to Courchevel show,... while the foreign champions from the same era are? As a big fan of French skaters from the end of 90', it makes me really sad:(
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    Thanks. It is a similar background then to some top coaches today, like Morozov or Shpilband. Not meaningful results at the senior levels during their time, but someone rising to positions of immense power, and having reputations for "politics" as one of their core strengths.
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