Coaching change for Florent Amodio

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  1. Wyliefan

    Wyliefan Well-Known Member

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    There is a God.

    Even the timing doesn't bother me -- there's no bad time to get away from Morozov, as far as I'm concerned. This can only be a good thing for him, in the long run if not in the short run. (Though I can't help thinking it'll be good in the short run too!)
  2. LilJen

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    AMODIO IS FREE!!!!!

    (Who still needs to be freed from an onerous coaching situation?)
  3. Allskate

    Allskate Well-Known Member

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    ITA. Leaving Morozov is great. Working with Lambiel is even better!
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  4. Zemgirl

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    All the other skaters who are still coached by Morozov? :D

    Also, the Shibs. Zoueva has no idea what to do with them and doesn't seem to care anyway.
  5. shah

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    really? did I miss sth?
    'cause it definitely dampens the enthusiasm now ;)...
  6. Sk8tn

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    Can we get an "Amen"?! From your lips to God's ears...
  7. Nmsis

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    The FFSG has issued a communication.


    Gosh, is it badly written (apart from my own translation). Pompous and empty style.
    Translation :
    - 1st paragraph : Gailhaguet is ass-kissing Morozov.
    - 2nd paragraph : the FFSG is looking for a solution
    - 3rd paragraph : Gailhaguet is ass-kissing Krier
    - 4th paragraph : Gailhaguet will collegially make a decision on his own and will harrass Florent until he accepts.

    The use (abuse) of superlative is totally hilarious. It is so not french. It looks totally unnatural, unsincere and fabricated. :rofl:

    Just a detail about all the skaters going to Bercy. Candeloro made a remark in an article a few months ago. He said something like, every time, the fed pushes skaters toward the president's girlfriend. Why did he say that a few months ago when Champigny is clearly not on the forefront anymore ? ... I'll leave it at that but that's something I've had in the back of my mind for some time. :shuffle:

    PS : Camerlengo and Lucine are preparing their voodoo doll.
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  8. IceIceBaby

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    Amodio said so after the Worlds 2013. He is not sure if he will continue.
  9. Zemgirl

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    It certainly is. OTOH, at least nothing has been homologated.

    I take it that returning Amodio to Glesser is not an option? Personally I think it's lovely when skaters stay on with their original coaches.

    BTW, was Joubert really pushed to train with Krier? I was under the impression that he kind of does whatever he wants when it comes to training, and has for many years.
  10. Nmsis

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    Florent's interview in today's L'Equipe newspaper. Improved Google Translation.



    That's certainly not an option in Gailhaguet's mind. He worked enough to make them never talk again.
    But when Amodio splitted with Dumont who was his french coach by name (ie Morozov was the coach paid by the fed and the public subsidies for his coaching were going to Champigny, he was there only for a few weeks a year. :rolleyes: ), he came back to Glesser with his tail between his legs to ask him to be his (part-time) coach again.
    But it is summer. The Cergy rink is closed. I don't know if Glesser has a camp this year. So it is difficult to read anything in Amodio's summer.
    I don't think Florent will lay his cards as long as he has not seen Gailhaguet's hand.
    That's why the "collective decision" makes me laugh. "Tempestuous negociation" would be more appropriate.
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  11. chantilly

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    Thank god.

    Such a talent that has been wasted. I do think Amodio's ego might be partly to blame. Some of his programs should never been approved by his coach for competition. But he was one of the ones I felt that didn't live up to his enormous potential. Excited to see what happens.
  12. VarBar

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    :lol:

    I think I heard something similar from Fernandez after he left Morozov.
  13. caseyedwards

    caseyedwards Well-Known Member

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    His unhappiness at being in California reminds me of kostner.
  14. os168

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    About bl**dy time! Tres bien Florent.
  15. Marco

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    Alas he left Morosov about 2 seasons too late. Euro title and medals aside, his skating completely staled during all these years and there has been no artistic development. He is now no more than another Plushenko clone with jumps and flair but virtually nothing else. Hopefully this La Vie En Rose program and Lambiel-choreographed short can change that. (sorry but when talking about La Vie En Rose I immediately think of the disasters that were Czisny and Verner)

    Look how far Fernandez has come since leaving Morosov. He has his own style and is set up quite nicely for an Olympic medal.

    I hope these two are staying on after Sochi to push each other. They are both so talented.
  16. Jeschke

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    although fernandez early left fo canada again :p

    yu have to admit, that morozov (hate him or not) brought both up their ways; fernandez movement began under morozov and it was only a matter of time when he will be able to deliver it...
  17. caseyedwards

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    He wishes his jumps or flair were anywhere near plushenkos! If anything he is a weir with a terrible habit of leaving out jumps and whole jumping passes! He wishes!!
  18. reut

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    Thank you for translations, Nmsis.

    This part caught my attention:
    If Anissina is now in Paris, does this mean that she is actually preparing for the season as she stated earlier?
  19. Zemgirl

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    I don't think Javi's personal style has been developed under Orser at all. He's more polished now, but his style is the same he came in. If anything, I feel sometimes like Orser/Wilson have made him a bit too conventional. I hope Amodio's work with Lambiel will prove more interesting than that, and more tasteful than what he did with Morozov (not that this should be too difficult :p).

    I had the opposite take on it - if she has time to coach and consult, she can't be too busy with the rumored comeback.
  20. Jeschke

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    marina can easily do both, not to question, pah :D :drama:
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    I've heard Amodio left Morozov because he wasn't able to clone Plushenko's medals too. :lol:
  22. GarrAarghHrumph

    GarrAarghHrumph I can kill you with my brain

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    I wonder how well Florent may do if he's given programs without pelvic thrusts. The elimination of those alone would be a significant improvement.
  23. Zemgirl

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    Go watch his programs from his first senior season and you'll have your answer. He was wonderful (and a bit underrated) before Morozov took over.
  24. kwanfan1818

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    His programs were better before Morozov, but he didn't have much power to his basic skating: he looked better on TV, whereas in the rink, he often looked underpowered and inconsistent in speed. He's credited Morozov with helping him this way. He's gotten stronger physically over the last few years, too, which has helped.
  25. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    He would do well to have a career like Plushenko's, even his 2010 - 13 career of two Euro titles and an Olympic silver. Amodio's programs may not be everyone's cup of tea - I think he could do more, but I appreciate that he's one of the few guys who can really dance - but he still has very good basics and elements. This year's Euro SP showed that he can compete with Fernandez if he lands the jumps. Consistency is what he needs even more than choreography... if he landed his jumps more often, his PCS will go up anyway.
  26. BittyBug

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    I didn't get the impression his unhappiness had anything to do with California, but rather with the last minute change of plans by Morosov, again.

    Sounds to me like he got tired of living like a gypsy.
  27. DarrellH

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    It's becoming rarer that a skater DOES stay with one coach.
  28. Nmsis

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    Florent is not in Paris, he's in Vaujany, an alpine village near Grenoble, just beside l'Alpe d'Huez. There is a brand new rink (half underground with a very nice view on the valley and the mountains). That's where the next french championships will be.

    I don't know where Marina is right now but she has been part of the french fed's plan for some time.
    For a few seasons, the french fed has centered its policy and funding on Bercy.
    Bercy is like a platform where the fed brings exterior help to doctor the skaters' weaknesses.
    Last season for example, Maé has worked with Sandra Garde to help her posture, polish her programs, make her more feminine. (Sandra is normally in Nice, that means she must travel weekly to Paris to take care of Maé ; Garde is responsible in good part of Maé's improved results and she gets absolutly no credit ; as a reminder, Garde is this, that and as a choreographer, this and with work-in-progress Maé that)
    There were several camps over the last years in Bercy with Urmanov for the jumps and with Lucinda Ruh for the spins.
    Claude Péri has moved from Dammary to Bercy and she's the real additional value, performance-wise IMHO. She's the one who made Vanessa James get her triple jumps back.
    Marina Anissina has also worked on the skaters' skating skills and overall polish regularly for a year.
    Sylvain Privé who is in Montpellier (quite a distance from Paris) also travelled regularly to help James / Ciprès with their lifts (Claude Péri who has trained them last season when Racle went away, comes from singles, not pair ; she was Morgan's former coach).

    So 1° being in Bercy means a shot at a deluxe treatment for a french skater, which is probably why, when he tempestuously left Dumont after 4 months with her (September-December), Joubert agreed to come to Bercy and found a steady place there. And why Florent agreed to work with Krier, temporarily.
    But I'm gonna tell you something, the ambiance was so poisonous in Bercy 3 years ago that the skaters there were all leaving and that no exterior skaters would have settled there ; the arrival of Péri + the whole deluxe treatment has changed things and that will last for ... 6 months (that's how long mastermind Didier's plans last :p ) since the Bercy rink and the whole POPB will close their doors next February for a year and a half.
    And 2° Marina going to Paris and Vaujany to help the french team, that was planned. It's the "I wanna go to the Olympics" that wasn't. Maybe being part of this olympic preparation thing gave her the idea.
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  29. Ziggy

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    YES! YES! YES!

    Finally freed! :cheer:
  30. Zemgirl

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    Thank you for all the information - that was very interesting! It's unfortunate, though I guess not surprising, that there are a fair number of coaches and consultants involved who are not being properly credited for their work. I hope that they are at least properly compensated?
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  32. Marco

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    Haha definitely. Even without much going on in his programs, he still couldn't get his consistency down. He was really musical. So was Leonova. They were both dialled down to Ando level of boring and tone-deaf after moving to Morosov. That's why it's such a waste that he stayed for so long with him.

    And come on, a coach that knowingly allows his student to use vocal music and take a deduction during competition?!
  33. antmanb

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    At 2012 Europeans Amodio was one of the fastest if not the fastest skaters in the Men's competition, so I think MOrosov definitely helped with that. I'd like any new coach of Amodio to get rid of that annoying scrape he does with the free leg before his triple axels attempts.

    I thought the issue was that he didn't receive the vocal music deduction that he blatantly should have received.
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  34. Zemgirl

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    That's true, but when they planned that stunt they didn't know that there would be no deduction. It could have been very costly for him.

    When it was announced that Takahashi was returning the Morozov, I thought that might leave Amodio in the position Fernandez when those two were training mates: talented skater but not his coach's number one, doing programs that were beneath his talent (remember the awful SP he had in 2011?). I am glad that like Javi, Florent finally realized he was no longer benefiting from his work with Morozov, and I hope that he too will find a more productive coaching situation.
  35. antmanb

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    Or maybe they did and Morosov had politiked his way to not get a deduction from the judges :puppet: ;)
  36. Ziggy

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    Thank you for all the insights into what's going on in France, Nmsis.

    Amen.
  37. overedge

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    Hell to the YEAH. Free Leonova next!!!
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    Why is Bercy closing for a year and half? Are they undergoing renovations? Where will the skaters who are based there train?
  39. Nmsis

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    The old POPB (Palais Omnisport de Paris Bercy) is about to become Bercy Arena.
    Some photos of the project
    Bigger, with new luxury boxes, conference and private rooms, a new shopping space, new bars, a second entrance on the river Seine side with a walkway toward the enbankment.
    Looks nice.

    And where will the skaters go ?
    That's the 100 000 $ question. No idea. I'm not sure the skaters know either.
    Gailhaguet wil never want to let them go away to other coaches so he'll probably think of a solution.

    I can tell you what his dream is.
    It is what the french ice hockey federation (who parted from the FFSG some years ago) is doing right now in Cergy. (which means the closing of Amodio's rink by 2015)
    A national training center with the federation's offices and the rink + all training facilities in the same building. (mental picture of Gailhaguet keeping a close watch on the rink from his desk, calling the coaches to make corrections on the jumps :rofl:).
    That's not in the making right now. But if he can show results from what is happening in Bercy, he could sell the idea to a city around Paris who is renovating or building a new facility.
    So there is an immediate interest in Bercy right now and a potential long term interest ... and a hole in-between. :shuffle:
  40. caseyedwards

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    What is Morozov only good for one season? Or was he just off in 2013? Because like Amodio and Leonova both had tremendous 2012's! Tremendous!! So did I/K and Takahashi. But they are all still with him as is Leonova. Keeping the faith?