Cinnamon chicken & babies as battering rams: Or the LHOTP thread

Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by lulu, Oct 15, 2012.

  1. snoopysnake

    snoopysnake Well-Known Member

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    Mrs. Terhune was her name.

    Remember the one where Albert conned Harriet into buying a honey log and lied about the safe time to transport it? Sting-a-rama for Harriet and Nellie!

    I loved Nellie and Percival together.

    If any of you have not read Allison Arngrim's bio Confessions of a Prairie Bitch please do yourself a favor and do so pronto! You will not be sorry!
     
  2. Karina1974

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    Laura didn't know that Nellie was faking it until the end of the episode. She instead was neglecting her own homework to help Nellie keep up with hers (which meant actually DOING Nellie's work for her) all because she felt guilty over the fact that it had been "her" horse (that she had traded for the Christmas stove for Ma, and still visited and gave apples to) that had caused Nellie's injuries (no thanks to the fact that Nellie had no clue how to treat horses properly!). Showing that Nellie was faking it was the simple part, once she did find out by seeing Nellie waltzing with her new doll through the living room curtains.

    Shame that they killed Bunny off later on in Season 3.
     
  3. Karina1974

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    Alison Arngrim talks about Steve Tracy in the commentary she did for "Come Let Us Reason Together," the episode where Harriet and Percival's parents square off over what religion their unborn child is going to be (not knowing Nellie is carrying twins). Alison and Steve were very, very tight friends, and his death from AIDS in 1986 is the reason she got involved in AIDS activism. She also said that sometimes it is really difficult for her to watch the episodes he was in because even after all this time she still misses him very much.

    But YOU know that, because you read her book.
     
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  4. LilJen

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    You can see it's been a few years since I watched it. I fondly remember Laura pushing Nellie down a hill and into a pond, Nellie standing up, and her mom saying "IT'S A MIRACLE!" and Laura laughing with glee. . .
     
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  5. Karina1974

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    :lol::lol: "Your mother wants you! You're such a GOOD friend, Nellie!" And Harriet fainting and falling backwards out of the buggy.... Classic!
     
  6. judiz

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    The episode I cannot stand to watch is May We Make Them Proud. First, Hester Sue discovers the basement is on fire and leaves the door open so the flames can spread up the only staircase. Then instead of Mary taking her baby with her to help round up the kids, she leaves the baby in the room at the top of the stairs. Alice Garvey offers to get the baby for Mary, big mistake because instead of getting the baby, Alice leaves the baby again to get Jonah out of the bathroom (who puts a lock on the bathroom door of a school for the blind?) Then when Alice finally gets around to getting Adam Jr., the only escape route is filled with flames. Instead of breaking the window and jumping out or throwing the baby into Hester Sue's arms, you see Alice screaming behind the closed window as the room is consumed with flames. Outside you have the only other sighted person who did not notice that Jonah never made it outside with the other kids nor was Alice or the baby outside. Hester Sue did not realize it until Jonah stumbled out of the building. Then Hester Sue starts screaming.

    Fast forward to Charles Ingalls, he just buried his only grandchild, his daughter had a nervous breakdown after her only child died and Charles biggest concern is for Albert who started the fire. And, Charles has the nerve to ask Jonathan, who just buried his wife Alice, to help him find Albert. Jonathan goes with him instead of staying home and comforting his son who just lost his mother.
     
  7. lulu

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    Word. I never understood why Mary or Adam didn't just grab the baby once they heard about the fire. Mary & Adam Jr. were in the same room, Mary was rocking Adam Jr. to sleep when Adam came into her room to tell her about the fire. How hard would it have been for Mary to GRAB HER BABY as she left the room?
     
  8. Alex Forrest

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    ITA. It was totally unrealistic that Mary, who was sitting there cradling her baby, just ups and leaves it when the fire was discovered. I suppose it's possible she didn't have a maternal instinct, but Mary really just possessed NO maternal instinct. She and Adam are all safe outside with the rest ofthe blind kids, and maybe ten minutes later they bother to ask "Where's Adam JR?"

    I also had a big problem with the kid who locked himself in the bathroom. Seriously, a blind school with a lock on the bathroom door? Defies logic.

    Then when Alice went back to get Adam JR, she very carefully wraps him up in his swaddling clothes. You almost thought she'd sing a lullaby to him. I was like "LADY, scoop up the damn kid and RUN!" Seconds matter when the house is on fire.

    And that episode reinforced just how warped Charles was wrt his treatment of Albert. Albert was evil personified, he was involved in several deaths in WG, and Pa just turned a blind eye to it all. I guess boys will be boys, eh?
     
  9. lulu

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    Besides Adam Jr. and Mrs. Garvey, what other deaths was Albert responsible for? I know the infamous Sylvia died, but I don't recall Adam either directly or indirectly being responsible for that one.
     
  10. Alex Forrest

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    Well Albert told the would-be rapist/killer Irv Hartwig where Sylvia was hiding out. Like DUH, unless you thought Sylvia was impregnated by her father (which at 9 was my belief), but then you learn how LHOP works. Some stranger shows up, bad stuff happens, they are killed off or never seen from again. The laughable thing was for at least another season you could see "Hartwig" on one of the town's buildings. He was the locksmith, right? Well until old cranky Mr. Webb filled his torso with buckshot.

    And what in the world was Albert's life story? Did he die on the mountain? Leukemia? It was whispered in Hero Township that Albert was the first person ever to die from HIV related complications, due to his prostitutng in Winoka when he was trying to make ends meet, as in have an apple for dinner. Albert was a curious character. Utterly despisable. When he's not shooting up morphine, beating on a teacher, stealing, involved in the deaths of others, well, he has Pa's stamp of approval.
     
  11. my little pony

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    in one season, at the end of the show in voiceover, laura said that eventually albert was the town doctor. but the next season, they implied that he died at the end and was never shown again or spoken about as if he had lived.
     
  12. escaflowne9282

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    Good Grief, this show was a little bit before my time (it went off the air a year after I was born) but this sounds like a catastrophic trainwreck. An adopted child who is a pyromanic and subsequently a killer . Another adopted child tries to freeze someone to death in her first episode. And this was wholesome family fun?
    I need to watch this show now.
     
  13. Kruss

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    I must have had blinders on when I watched this show. I never thought about all the stuff you're all talking about, but....you're right! Holy cow, this is hilarious as I think back. :lol:
     
  14. lulu

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    Don't forget the orphan (played by Shannen Doherty) who tried to commit suicide by drowning herself. :p


    Didn't Dr. Baker also have an addiction problem at one point?
     
  15. escaflowne9282

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  16. Alex Forrest

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    Well, the writers made the adult LIW to be a harpy, a racist, and narcissist, and an opportunist. She was despisable. Frankly, when Almanzo had his gay affair with John Carter in SanFran I felt that Laura deserved it.
     
  17. Alex Forrest

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    Are you referring to Hester Sue? God, what another annoying character. I found this funny clip of Hester Sue from the 70s blaxploitation flick "Blacula". I guess we see that 100 years later Hester Sue is driving a cab and has a salty mouth on her. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FX5IdlBX6w

    But seriously, Hester Sue (responsible for leaving the cellar door open and spreading the fire) was a dolt. She is the ONLY other person with sight beside Alice, and finally she realizes that Alice and Adam JR are not out there. When she says "Oh my god, the baby" that is finally when either Adam or Mary decides to ask about their child. "Hester Sue, where is Alice and the baby?". Too little too late there. I liked Alice. She married that alcoholic for about five minutes, then laid it down with Jonathan Garvey who was quite a hottie. When Jonathan came back from a two month outing with Charles, Jonathan says "I've really been missing your cooking". And her retort is "Is that the only thing you've been missing?". Alice was fun and had an edge. No wonder Caroline was best friends with her, they were basically partners in crime. When Pa went away and hottie Chris the Handyman moved in, you knew Alice was going "Just DO IT Caroline, he's scrumptious!" Of course baby Grace was born nine months later and looked nothing like Charles, to no one's surprise.
     
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  18. Karina1974

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    @ Alex - for someone who clearly can't stand the show, you sure know an awful lot about it.
     
  19. Alex Forrest

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    Haha. Yeah, I was born in 72 and it was the first show I really watched, so I know alot about it. It's not that I don't like the show, I do, it's that Landon made it a nightmare for the kids viewers and I now understand the smirk on my Mom's face when we watched it together. I felt better and safer living on the east coast than compared to living in a tiny town like Walnut Grove. I certainly was much safer and wasn't exposed to as many alcoholics, drug addicts, thieves, rapists, murderers, kidnappers, etc. Remember in the 70s "I Love New York"? They were trying to turn the image around that it was not all Taxi Driver and drugs and pimps, but I thought Walnut Grove was much scarier than New York.
     
  20. judiz

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    Anyone else think it was strange that there was a bank in Walnut Grove but no sheriff or marshall or whatever the equivalent of the police was back then? Oh no, that's right, Walnut Grove didn't need them, they had the Olsen's ice house.
     
  21. Alex Forrest

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    Yeah, the town used the Oleson's ice house as the pseudo jail and left criminals overnight in it. Poor Belinda is down there for an hour and she's near death.

    And who needs a sheriff or judge when Charles is around? He acted like both his entire stay in WG.

    Also, I hope SOMEONE will help me with this, but the opening credit sequence shows Pa and Ma at the top of a hill looking down the hill. So are their kids running AWAY from them?? Please discuss.
     
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  22. Aimless

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    Not perfectly on topic, but shortly after Landon died I was in Massachusetts at a July 4th parade and the most incredible float went by. It was makeshift little cardboard cabin entitled:
    "Little House on the Trailer, a tribute to Michael Landon."
     
  23. Karina1974

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    Seeing as how I am a native of upstate NY, and still living there, of course I remember it. FYI, the "I Love NY" campaign was centered on the entire state, not just on NYC.
     
  24. Alixana

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    Their house was at the bottom of the hill so they were running towards home. That's the story in my universe and I'm sticking to it. :lol:
     
  25. Jenny

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    An unformed theory here so I could be way off, but I wonder if all those storylines that seem horrible now weren't really back when the show aired. (Like others here, I watched it as a kid and have little memory of rapists, drug addicts, suicides etc.)

    Are kids more coddled today? Sure they are more exposed to sexual themes than ever before, but has what defines "family programming" and even "children's literature" changed?

    I'm thinking of your typical old school children's stories, nursery rhymes and movies - big bad wolves, old men who bump their heads and die in the night, dogs and does dying, damsels getting locked in towers or tied to train tracks, and characters ridiculing someone with a red nose. Maybe by the time we watched LHOTP, especially in the context of all the old westerns with their gunfights and Indian wars, the storylines listed on this thread didn't stand out. And further, as kids we were more interested in the kids and the schoolroom and the candies in Nell's store and the Holly Hobbie outfits.

    Watching them again now through overly sensitized PC-coloured eyes or sifting through the old memories, we're only shocked in the context of today's definitions of "family programming" and "children's literature."
     
  26. ilovesalchows

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    Slightly OT, but has anyone else read Rose Wilder Lane's book "The Old Hometown?" I think that is what it was called. I LOVED it. Great shorts about women's lives at the turn of the 19th century. Lane was really an incredible person.
     
  27. jenniferlyon

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    What Walnut Grove really needed was a saloon.
     
  28. joeperryfan

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    I don't think kids are necessarily more coddled now, the difference IMHO is that as kids we didn't understand the emotional depth of the situations so they didn't bother us, a guy puking was a guy puking and not an addict going cold turkey,etc As kids our ability to have empathy with these situations is very limited, just as we don't laugh at jokes we aren't equipped to understand we can't be disturbed by situations that we can't fully understand either.
     
  29. Jenny

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    Ah, good point joeperryfan. And I'm realizing now that when my niece was perhaps 8-10 years old, she was really into Friends. I asked her parents about it, because there are a lot of adult themes on the show, and they said she doesn't really notice them - she just liked the characters and funny stuff.

    So maybe it's just that kids today like the kids we were focus on the stuff that interests them and that they understand, and it's only when we're older that we look back and :eek: at some of the stuff we see in shows/movies/etc now.
     
  30. Karina1974

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    I agree with this. I didn't watch the show when it was originally on (I was born only 6 weeks after the show premiered in September 1974), and when I did get into the show when it was rerun on weekdays afternoons on a local station they didn't show some of the "darker" episodes, like the one where Mary's baby is killed, or the one where Mrs. Whipple's son also struggles with a morphine addiction (that ends up taking his life), or Albert's morphine episode, Sylvia's rape, or the one where Laura finds a baby that has been abandoned by her teenaged mother. Or how about the one where the tree falls on Mr. Edwards, and he tries to commit suicide while on a hunting trip with Charles?

    There were a lot of episodes that I saw for the first very time when I got the DVD sets, and there were some :eek: moments that still make me cringe to watch them, even though I have gone through the entire series from the pilot movie from March 1974 to "The Last Farewell" TV movie at least 4 times.

    There are other ones that make me cry every single time I watch them, like "If I Should Wake Before I Die" where an elderly woman stages her own funeral in order to get her "too busy with their own lives" children to come and see her, and she sneaks into the wake dressed as a guest in full mourning, throws off her veil and confronts them when she hears one of them say how it's funny that you never know what people mean to you until after they are gone.