Chris Bowman in the Courts

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by manleywoman, May 30, 2010.

  1. manleywoman

    manleywoman podcast mistress

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  2. genevieve

    genevieve drinky typo pbp, closet hugger Staff Member

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    Nice. I'm sure her daughter appreciates knowing she was just a byproduct of convenience.
     
  3. tangerine_dream

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    Those types of marriages tend to work out better than those done for "love", to be perfectly honest.

    I'm sure a kid would rather see a marriage that works, for whatever reason, than emotional or physical abuse between two adults, which happens in many marriages. There's nothing wrong with marrying out of convenience. Most people do this, whether they realize it or not. You can love someone all you want, if you don't want the same things out of life, it won't work.

    No reason to be so judgmental. Marrying for reason is better than marrying for emotions in the grand scheme of things. Emotions aren't tangible, and non-tangible things shouldn't be used for life planning.
     
  4. danceronice

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    ...Marry me?

    (IOW, ITA.)
     
  5. genevieve

    genevieve drinky typo pbp, closet hugger Staff Member

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    I'm not judging her marriage. I am familiar with marriage for reasons other than love. :rolleyes: I'm judging the tackiness of being so public about her business arrangement marriage, which I think will probably have some negative results for their daughter.
     
  6. Prancer

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    And you are basing your perfect honesty on what?

    And they don't happen in marriages of convenience? And people don't change their goals or priorities if they marry for convenience rather than love? And people don't end up having the same problems that show up in any marriage if they marry for convenience? And you can so easily separate emotional reasons from reasons of convenience?

    If only things were so simple.

    Followed by:

    Oh, the irony.

    And there must have been something there besides business at some point.
     
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  7. BittyBug

    BittyBug Kiteless

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    Truly. He could have had it all, but he just couldn't conquer his demons. :(
     
  8. Iceman

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    Most marriages in the world are arranged ones and the success rate of them is significantly higher than those which are not.

    How absurd that his family thinks she would steal his body. She would need a court order to have him exhumed and those are not easy to get. $$$$$$$$. Love of money is the root of all evil. His ending was sad enough without being made more so by this. I do hope the autobiography is published or made into a film, assuming it is authentic.
    Let's see who could play Chris and who Frank?
     
  9. overedge

    overedge Well-Known Member

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    How tacky on the website's part that this story comes up alongside a banner ad for "be a pharmacist" :(
     
  10. Prancer

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    A marriage of convenience is not an arranged marriage. Not sure what the correlation is supposed to be, but I suppose they are free of emotional and physical abuse, too. That's how you know they are successful!

    Does any of this matter? No matter how you look at the relationships involved, it's a terrible thing that this is going to play out in the newspapers.

    I doubt if the website has any more to do with the ads that come up on their website than we do for what shows up in the ads here. They're triggered by words on the site, no more and no less. There's one for diet aids at the top of this page right now, and I'm sure that was triggered by the story as well.
     
  11. overedge

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    Most newspaper websites are careful to put some controls on their ads so inappropriate ads don't show up with the content of stories. I know that ads are generated by keywords in the text, but it is possible to put limiters on the ads so, for example, the site doesn't get an ad for a gun shop showing up next to a story about a shooting death.
     
  12. Iceman

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  13. REO

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    JMO but I think this Freeman person is kinda shady. I think she's a opportunist who thinks she's going to make money off his book draft. His family - parents and daughter are the one's who should profit from any book or movie deals. Was he estranged from them? I didn't really get that from the article. The body snatching thing is a little over the top. Also if he was so happy with the Freemans why did he "slip up" after three years? I don't care what her marriage is like she seems skeevy.
     
  14. Prancer

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    Again, I have no idea why such a thing is relevant, but if we are talking about parents making arrangements for offspring, we are talking about an arranged marriage--provided, of course, the Van Snooties get their way. Arranged marriages are usually arranged for the purpose of increasing or maintaining wealth and property, maintaining tradition, etc., etc. If you are equating success with the lower divorce rate, then you must also consider that the social pressure against divorce in countries in which arranged marriages are a tradition is very high.

    A marriage of convenience is one in which two parties agree to marry because there are advantages for the two of them. Typical examples of this would be marriage for citizenship, marriage for insurance, "lavender" marriages, etc. I would be very surprised if such marriages lasted beyond both parties reaching the end of whatever it was they found convenient about the relationship, but I don't know that there is any way of knowing about such things, as I don't think anyone keeps records on marriages of convenience. That's why I asked tangerine_dream what she was basing her claims on. I've known of a few people who have made them and none of them were married more than five years--but that's strictly anecdotal.

    I think this Canadian Immigration issue illustrates the difference quite well: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2010/05/03/arranged-marriages.html

    What I think this woman has is a marriage in which a married couple decided to not divorce because it was more convenient to stay legally married. It just seems unlikely that a marriage of convenience would produce two children, but I'm not a party to their agreement.

    And for the record, neither of those two children belonged to Christopher Bowman; he fathered his daughter with his former wife, not April Freeman.

    Oh, dear, if you are going to blame other people for his behavior, you could say the same thing about his parents, as he was an adolescent when he started using drugs, and his former wife, as he used drugs when he was married, too.

    Most habitual drug users and addicts use drugs no matter what else happens; it's only a few who ever stop. You can't love somebody out of an addiction.
     
  15. Twilight1

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    At times I think my marriage is one of convenience, other times out of love, but always with friendship as the continued undercurrent.

    IMHO, the ones that really last and are successful have those three things.

    I do feel bad that this is media fodder for the daughter though.
     
  16. MacMadame

    MacMadame Cat Lady-in-Training

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    IME, a "marriage of convenience" in this context is "I sleep with whomever I want and my spouse doesn't complain too badly for whatever reason."
     
  17. REO

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    I didn't mean that they were the ones who made him slip up, just that if things were going along so swimmingly with his relationship with her he'd be less likely to after three years of sobriety. Stress can make addicts fall off the wagon. And then again perhaps that wasn't completely true either. Who knows.

    MacMadame I agree. I think open marriage is more to the point than convenience.
     
  18. Prancer

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    So can happiness, perverse as that may be. Addicts often crave excitement; contentment is too boring for them. And for many of them, having someone in their corner is just another excuse to slip.
     
  19. dupa

    dupa Home Sweet Home

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    The whole thing is incredibly sad. Too bad those people can't just let him RIP for goodness sake. No wonder he was an addict.
     
  20. IceKween

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    Bowmans's final amateur performance at 1992 Worlds:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHBCTuiX6-k&feature=related

    I have to wonder if he is on cocaine here. The drama queen reaction to a fall, and really the entirety of his program. This is not a sober individual. Never could get a guestimate of his pupils, the camera didn't give us a good shot.

    I'd be interested to read his memoir.
     
  21. judiz

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    It wasn't a drama queen reaction, I remember watching this live on tv and seeing Chris leave the arena in a wheelchair, he dislocated his knee when he hit the boards. From what I remember reading, Chris always stopped using drugs a few weeks prior to events so he could pass drug screening.
     
  22. DORISPULASKI

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    If she is his executor. If she pays the freight, she can get the body exhumed. It isn't hard.

    The woman whose house we bought in NY was a second wife. Her husband was buried next to his first wife, in the Jewish cemetery, since that is what his will specified, and his kids were contesting everything. She was Catholic. Finally all the contests were settled, and subsequently, she died. She donated most of what she owned to the Catholic Church, with the proviso that her husband be disinterred and buried next to her in the Catholic Cemetery. I didn't think you could do that, but she did.

    The church bought a carillion with the money.
     
  23. overedge

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    I was there in the arena, and you could hear the impact. How you could *not* overreact to that, I don't know.
     
  24. immoimeme

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    Thanks for the video link. That's still the most courageous skating I've seen in my life.
     
  25. REO

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    I thought he was brave to continue, not being a drama queen. Peggy said she thought he was injured almost immediately so it must have been pretty apparent.
     
  26. jenniferlyon

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    I seem to recall that April Freeman posted here at FSU at one time. It may have been right after Christopher passed away, or it may have been after he'd had a brush with the law.

    Does anyone else remember this?
     
  27. psycho

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    I agree. It's kind of mean to call that drama queenery when he was clearly hurting. Props to him for finishing.

    PS: That wasn't Peggy, that was Sandra ( I'd know her shrill voice anywhere). If it was Peggy she'd just say he was feeling the music and looks nice, and leave it at that. :D
     
  28. Tinami Amori

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    Works for Clintons....:D

    I wonder how many people would be interested in reading his postmortem biography…. And if the legal fight between “wife” and “mistress” will be primarily over his notes…… It maybe over “nothing”.