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Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by jjane45, Oct 4, 2012.

  1. Jeschke

    Jeschke Well-Known Member

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    here's the video of their last free skate at jgp
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXC4E_0D2h0

    the woman at the boards seems to be bo luan or?
  2. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    Ah, I had no idea. That is horrible. :(
  3. Meteorlight

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    I read somewhere that Y/J did move to Zhao, but Luan Bo just traveled with them to competitions b/c Zhao was busy with the seniors.
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    okay, that might be and would be such a gradation; in their isu bio bo luan is still listed as their head coach, but we know how not up to date these bios are sometimes ;)

    progress with y/j is obvious, whoever caused that, good job. this pair is promising.
  5. feraina

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    Y/J were at the open practices in Beijing along with the other couples coached by Zhao (Luan Bo coaches in Harbin). I think Luan Bo was given the task of taking the junior pairs teams to the JGPs while Zhao worked with the others in Beijing (and waited for Shen Xue to give birth!). Luan works for the Chinese federation after all, and one of the junior pairs still trains with her, so it makes sense.
  6. feraina

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    I know! Obviously she is not particularly naturally talented with presentation and musicality, but it takes real mental toughness to concentrate on her technical elements when she has this neurological issue that no one can diagnose or treat, and which is just getting worse and worse. I would totally be freaked out!
  7. Ziggy

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    I am very happy that Y/J have also been pulled to Yao Bin's team. Bo Luan obviously is not Chinese Federation's favourite but so far she's failed where Yao Bin succeeded. She needs to change her attitude and start seeing the bigger picture.
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    For a while, though, Yao Bin didn't have much success in finding anyone after the Zhangs, while Bo Luan looked like she was bringing up some talented Juniors, like Wing/Lowe are doing in Canada and Nina Mozer did for years in Russia. Ding/Ren won two Jr. Worlds medals in the early 00's, Sui/Han were her team until this season, Yu/Jin have done very well, including making JGPF for the last two seasons and winning both of their JGP events this season. Her teams have a lot more expression from the start than Bin Yao's have, and I doubt she's had the same support and infrastructure as Bin Yao.

    I'm excited to hear about the program he's finally implemented -- I wouldn't be surprised if Hongbo Zhao has had a lot to do with it, and Pang/Tong are good role models in that regard -- and that his training methods aren't as frightening as Bo Luan's, but she has had some success along the way when he had it with no new teams.
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  9. feraina

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    I think Luan Bo and Yao Bin both have their strengths and weaknesses. They both teach great twists and throws. Yao Bin's couples have better basic skating skills and single jumps; Luan Bo's couples have better chemistry and personal relationships. For yea's, YB's couples had good technical elements but didn't relate to each other well on ice (S/Z and P/T both developed their chemistry very late, while Z/Z never found it), whereas both S/H and Y/J have good on-ice chemistry and off-ice relationship -- the male partners are all super sweet and protective of their female partners, which is so nice to see.
    But Zhao's coaching style seems to combine the best of both worlds: great techniques and great personal relationships.
    I would say that prior to joining Zhao's group, S/H were regressing due to injuries (Sui's injury was in large part due to over-training of the quad-twists and quad-throws that Luan was making them repeat over and over; and it was said on Chinese skating forums that Luan sent Sui home and off the ice for a month or more because she didn't like Sui's attitude, and that this is a rather common method for punishment in her group), and Y/J had largely stalled. Y/J's poor skating skills were keeping them back: until this season, they hadn't improved since their GP debut in 2011.
    Luan certainly has had some success with junior couples, but in part it's because she's in charge of pairs coaching in Harbin, the hometown for the majority of competitive Chinese skaters. Every pairs skater from Harbin probably has to go through her group at some point. I'm really glad for S/H and Y/J that they now have Zhao's guidance.
    Hopefully Luan learns something positive from this experience: how to help her remaining pairs improve using methodology similar to those that have helped S/H and Y/J improve so much so quickly.
  10. feraina

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    Actually, the Singing in the Rain program was skated last season by Wang Lei with his previous partner Zhang Yue. So it was definitely not a program designed for Wang and Wang. I think it just goes to show how amazing Wang Xuehan is! I really enjoyed seeing their interactions just after finishing their programs and in the KnC. Despite being quite a few years older, Wang Lei was very solicitous and even affectionate with Wang Xuehan (I'd never before seen a Chinese male pair skater proactively holding the girl's hand in the KnC unless they were romantically involved).
  11. skatingfanfun

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    OMG, I'm so sorry for Kexin. I didn't know about it at all. I'm also sorry for what I said, true as it is it's inappropriate to say that given the circumstance. I salute Kexin's courage!
  12. rosewood

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    I knew her issues before. But I didn't know her issues were getting worse. So sorry for her. I occasionally visited weibo to see her microblog and I noticed there were more photos of her smiling face on it than before. So I thought she'd been recovering. All I can do is just pray for her...:(
  13. Sylvia

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    Article in English about Zijun Li after her rough showing at Cup of China and before her withdrawal from NHK: http://english.sina.com/sports/2013/1102/642596.html
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  14. Dr.Siouxs

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    Any Zijun Li updates? :(
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    So hoping Zijun can get through this difficult period and be back on track. I'll be absolutely crushed if not. :( But she has plenty of time and seasons ahead of her so fingers crossed.
  16. jlai

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    More news articles about pairs:
    花滑冬奥会轮廓渐清晰 双人滑名单月底定彭张领先
    http://sports.sina.com.cn/o/2013-12-08/18596923619.shtml
    P/Z ahead of S/H in terms of selection

    庞清/佟健:夺铜牌也开心 闫涵:没难度啥都白扯
    http://sports.sina.com.cn/o/2013-12-07/20306922284.shtml
    Now that Yan Han's lost in tes, he mentioned it's not easy being senior. He said he needed to upp his technical

    庞/佟索契争奖牌还有戏 佟健:深吻不是设计好的
    http://sports.sina.com.cn/o/2013-12-07/03506921086.shtml
    Tong: the kiss was not planned. :)
  17. rosewood

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  18. Marco

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    Argh sounds like Yao Bin was not happy with Yan Han's performances at the GPF. He should keep in mind that Yan at least he made GPF and beat Song's SB by about 30 points.

    The situation with ladies and pairs are clear now.
  19. hanca

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    Good, my aesthetic feelings prefer P/Z. Although S/H were 'different' in trying the quad twist, now P/Z can do quad twist too, and P/Z have so much better presentation.
  20. robinhood

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    I love Peng and Zhang. He always was the more expressive of the Zhangs and she is wonderful for a 16 year old. I wonder if they can develop even more, I can see podium material for next year. Their sp music is really captivating too
  21. NadineWhite

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    I'm a Sui/Han fan, so am a bit disappointed to read that Peng & Zhang are ahead of them in terms of selection. :( But I can see how Zhang would get the nod when it comes to a close competiton due to his age & experience. Also, they made the GPF whereas Sui/Han did not. :(

    I enjoy both pairs though, so am happy for Peng & Zhang too. :)
  22. Sylvia

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    Chinese Nationals apparently is taking place this weekend in Changchun: http://chnfs.org/archives/1252
    Participants list: http://chnfs.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/participants_2013-trophy_changchun.pdf (in Chinese)

    2013-2014 season Athlete Points (As of 2013-11-27): http://chnfs.org/archives/1243

    ETA that a 2013/14 Chinese Nationals thread has been started in Kiss and Cry with entry name translations and a ladies' update by feraina: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/sho...nese-Nationals-(and-Oly-World-4Cs-selections)
    Last edited: Dec 28, 2013
  23. Seerek

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    Your guess is as good as mine as to what the federation will do now as Boyang Jin wins nationals after having won Junior Grand Prix Final earlier in the month. As well, silver medallist Nan Song was just coming off a win at Winter Universiade.
  24. Sylvia

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    Re-posting from earlier in the thread (August 10, 2013):
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  25. jiejie

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    Regardless of any Chinese mathmatical selection formulas, I would be completely dumbfounded if Boyang Jin is sent to the Olympics. It will likely be Han Yan with an outside chance by Nan Song. They may use Four Continents results to make the final decision between the two but HY's scoring potential is better than any of them. I think Boyang Jin will go to Jr. Worlds again and try to win a medal (gold). At the Olympics, he would look pretty obvious as a kid among men, and would be eaten up alive on PCS.
  26. pinky166

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    It seems that Yan has a habit of not skating well at Nationals, which is a shame, because when he is "on" he is clearly the best man China has to offer right now. He did have that win at CoC, however despite making the GPF he didn't do that great there, and now he is 4th not even 2nd or 3rd at Nationals. I would still send him if I were the Fed, but, I do feel like it's going to be tough to make a convincing case to send Yan over the other two in consideration because I feel the only real argument to back it up is "because he has the potential to do a lot better than either of you", which is kind of beat, even if it is true.

    Boyang Jin is an amazing jumper, btw. In a couple years time I think he could be fabulous, and his Michael Jackson EX was hilarious, if he had more upbeat and less childish programs, I think his PCS would go up, but as it is now, his programs are juniorish, he is still a tiny boy, he has the tendency to make mistakes in the SP which would hurt him on the PCS side in senior international competition in the FS, I just feel like he's not soup yet and sending him to the Olympics might be pushing him to early. He is a rare talent that should be handled carefully. Plus it's going to be very hard for him to make the top 10, even landing 3 quads and a 3a combo in his FS, whereas Yan I think could very feasibly do it if he skated well and made sure he was at least doing 2 3a or 2 4t in his FS (doing 1 of each won't cut it), though I know that's a big if.
  27. Sylvia

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    Men's final top 4:
    1 Boyang JIN 229.18 3 1
    2 Nan SONG 215.91 1 3
    3 Jinlin GUAN 213.55 5 2
    4 Han YAN 207.61 2 4

    FS top 4:
    1 JIN 158.18 91.68 B 67.50 6.67 6.58 7.00 6.75 6.75 1.00 #22
    2 GUAN 147.96 77.46 B 70.50 7.00 6.83 7.17 7.08 7.17 0.00 #20
    3 SONG 135.45 62.95 B 72.50 7.42 7.25 7.00 7.25 7.33 0.00 #24
    4 YAN 129.59 57.25 72.34 7.42 7.08 6.92 7.42 7.33 0.00 #23

    Ladies final top 5:
    1 Kexin ZHANG 158.42 1 1
    2 Ziquan ZHAO 143.35 4 2
    3 Xiangning LI 131.64 2 4
    4 Yunya JIAO 126.06 3 5
    5 Xiaowen GUO 123.57 8 3

    FS top 5:
    1 ZHANG 104.29 58.09 B 47.20 6.00 5.58 5.92 6.17 5.83 1.00 #21
    2 ZHAO 99.67 55.61 B 45.06 5.83 5.42 5.50 5.83 5.58 1.00 #18
    3 GUO 83.43 43.83 41.60 5.33 5.00 5.17 5.25 5.25 2.00 #14
    4 LI 83.14 41.27 43.87 5.75 5.25 5.42 5.58 5.42 2.00 #20
    5 JIAO 80.72 39.58 42.14 5.50 5.00 5.17 5.42 5.25 1.00 #19

    Zijun LI did not compete here (reportedly due to illness?).

    Pairs final top 3:
    1 Peng/Zhang 195.55 1 1
    2 Sui/Han 187.23 2 3
    3 Yu/Jin 184.75 3 2

    FS top 3:
    1 Peng/Zhang 123.27 58.20 65.07 8.17 8.00 8.17 8.25 8.08 0.00 #7
    2 Yu/Jin 120.99 63.65 57.34 7.33 6.92 7.17 7.17 7.25 0.00 #5
    3 Sui/Han 117.56 59.29 58.27 7.50 7.08 7.17 7.25 7.42 0.00 #6

    Pang/Tong did not compete here.

    Dance final top 3:
    1 HUANG Xintong / ZHENG Xun 195.55 1 1
    2 YU Xiaoyang / WANG Chen 187.23 2 3
    3 WANG Shiyue / LIU Xinyu 184.75 3 2

    FD top 3:
    1 Huang/Zheng 82.37 44.29 39.08 6.67 6.42 6.50 6.50 6.50 1.00 #19
    2 Wang/Liu 75.26 39.99 35.27 6.08 5.67 5.92 6.00 5.83 0.00 #17
    3 Yu/Wang 74.01 36.91 37.10 6.33 5.92 6.33 6.17 6.33 0.00 #18

    (Protocols are not yet published online.)

    China has 2 Olympic spots in ladies and pairs and 1 man's and 1 dance spot.
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  28. Marco

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    Exactly. IIRC Yan's international score from this season still beats Song by quite a mile.
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    Going by the formula stated a while back,
    Yan Han 234.22
    Song 219.263
    Jin 221.865

    (If indeed this national score is their individual highest domestic score)
  30. Frau Muller

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    I wonder if Zijun Li (who did not compete at Nationals this weekend) will be given a chance to prove herself before the two Olympics ladies are named? Perhaps she will be named to the Four Cs and/or allowed to do a test skate in private? Right now, it appears that the two ladies at the Sochi Olympics will be Kexin Zhang and Ziquan Zhao who finished 1 & 2 at Nationals, respectively.
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    According to the Selection rule, 4CC is not counted as an eligible international event (perhaps because it's very close to the Olympics). So per the selection criteria, Han Yan gets to go the Olympics, unless there are shady politics going on behind the scenes.

    Han changed his skating boots after GPF and he just startd landing the difficult jumps such as 3As 5 days before this competition.He said he still could not excute 4T because of the new boots and that's why he practice 4s as a "backup". Unfortunately a hard fell while excuting 4S during he 6 minutes warm up before his short programme led to a dislocated arm (again!)He struggled through his two programmes with the shoulder injury.
  32. Marco

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    I haven't seen the skating yet but I believe these PCS scores tell the story right there. It appears like the second pairs team spot has been decided before the event started.

    Even at NHK when S&H bombed pretty badly, they still only lost out to a near clean P&Z on PCS by less than a point. And here S&H actually won on TES and had no deductions so I am not sure how bad they must have skated to deserve a near 7 point disadvantage in PCS to P&Z. FWIW, P&Z's seasons best is only less than 4 points ahead of S&H's - a deficit which S&H theoretically could overcome at Nationals.

    Now that P&Z is ahead of S&H on both international and domestic scores, P&Z goes.
  33. Marco

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    Too bad Yan seems to have the most rotten luck ever when it comes to things like this. Still, he is ahead of Jin on seasons best by 27 points and ahead of Song by 40 points. So I believe he still gets to go.
  34. spikydurian

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    Sorry to hear about Han Yan's injury. I find it worrying that boot problems seem to quite common among skaters to the detriment of loss time in training. Perhaps, to overcome this problem, it may be well advised to get several boots at the same time? Glad to hear that Han Yan is likely to represent China in Olympics. I think Jin is too young and not ready yet for that experience. He is a great jumper but IMO, his skating skills has a lot more work to be done.
  35. feraina

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    Thank you very much, feraina.
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    Thank you feraina!
  40. Sylvia

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    Dance final top 3 (CORRECTED TOTAL SCORES - I accidentally copied the pairs total scores earlier):
    1 HUANG Xintong / ZHENG Xun 134.18 1 1
    2 YU Xiaoyang / WANG Chen 124.57 2 3
    3 WANG Shiyue / LIU Xinyu 117.30 3 2

    All Free skate/dance protocols are now published online: http://chnfs.org/wp-content/uploads/events/2013nc5/index.htm