Chinese skating updates and reports

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by jjane45, Oct 4, 2012.

  1. kwanatic

    kwanatic Well-Known Member

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    ^^Please please please post the links soon! I really hope she's healthy again. She's one of my favorite newbies and I really hope she's well enough to compete in Sochi...she earned it last year.
     
  2. DORISPULASKI

    DORISPULASKI Watching submarine races

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    This was posted at Golden Skate by xiangfuzi, in Li Zijun's Fan Fest thread:


     
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  3. hanca

    hanca Well-Known Member

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    Well, she has grown a lot! And she seems to have ideal skating conditions. The whole rink for herself?
     
  4. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    So Luan Bo was shown the door with both Sui/Han and Yu/Jin being moved to Zhao Hongbo. I'd say I was sorry for her but given what we heard about her coaching practices, as well as her teams' lack of a complete package, I'm glad.

    What is bothering me is why Shen Xue isn't listed as a coach given she also works with those teams.
     
  5. icellist

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    Wow she grew a lot. A bit above 5 foot 4 inches now! As much as I love Zijun, that FS leaves a lot to be desired transition wise and the the jumping passes don't match the music well :\
     
  6. kwanfan1818

    kwanfan1818 I <3 Kozuka

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    I agree about Luan Bo's coaching practices, if what is reported is accurate, but I remember seeing Yu/Jin a few years ago and being struck by an elegant quality and a Pairs togetherness that took S/Z and P/T a long time to get and the Zhangs never had.
     
  7. feraina

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    New interview with Bin Yao, Hongbo Zhao:
    http://sports.cntv.cn/2014/01/01/VIDE1388586720878624.shtml
    Yao is only personally training Pang/Tong, the rest are being trained by Zhao. Yao was asked if there is definitely no chance for a gold medal (for China) in Sochi. He said, very unlikely, but you never know... Given V/T's record in the last two years, they seemed unbeatable, even if they made mistakes, and yet they lost to the Germans at the Grand Prix Final. He said this is a great outcome, it means that there might still be something to fight for. When asked what final advice or tips he'd like to give Zhao, he said actually he set himself three rules, and one of them is not to interfere. Unless Zhao asks him specifically for advice, he normally doesn't say anything.

    Zhao said there is still room for Peng/Zhang to improve technically in the next quad, not only 4twist, but also 4throw jumps. He also said Sui/Han have been practicing really well, but for some reason often come up just a little short in competition. When asked about his plan for the next quad, he thinks V/T will likely not retire after Sochi. He said in the 2014 world championship, following Sochi, he would like to see P/Z and S/H reach the top level, placing 4th or 5th, although ice is slippery... And then he hopes (the Chinese teams) can follow V/T closely in the four WC's preceding the 2018 Olympics, and then hopefully fight for the gold there. He said he doesn't know if it's do-able, but these are his goals. He also mentioned Yu/Jin and Wang/Wang as promising young pairs.
     
  8. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    That is true. Their programs were meh and they lacked projection but their unison was always very impressive.
     
  9. Frau Muller

    Frau Muller President of Dick Button Appreciation Club

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    Even though it was not mentioned in "the plans," I still think that Sui will have a new taller partner for the next quadrennium...beyond 2014 Worlds. Han appears to be in pain nowadays when lifting Sui. I don't see that duo going very far up the ranks, sorry to say.
     
  10. SamuraiK

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    So 4CC entries are up. the national champion Boyang Jin is NOT being sent. I think he's ready to wet his feet in senior competitions but oh well....

    In pairs Wang & Zhang are going instead of the Wangs x2.

    In Dance Im happy to see three new teams going but I wondered what happened to YU& Wang.
     
  11. Taso

    Taso Well-Known Member

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    All of these are weird decisions, what on earth for?!
     
  12. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    Why doesn't this surprise me? Yan Han had to 'wait for his turn' as well. :mad:

    And what about Huang/Zheng?

    But yes, it's great to see China finally sending three teams out there, given how few opportunities their Ice Dance teams usually get (the same three teams competed at the Winter Universiade as well).
     
  13. whispering

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    Huang/Zheng will compete in Sochi and that will be their last competition.
     
  14. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    Thanks. They've had a very long career. I hope they stay involved in skating. China needs more coaches to boost its Ice Dance program.
     
  15. feraina

    feraina Well-Known Member

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    For men, Han Yan probably wants a warmup before Sochi to work toward clean programs; Nan Song needs to go as it will be his last ISU championship comp this season (I assume Yan will be sent to 2014 WC as well); it is also Wang Yi's only chance to work on his world standing and SB and a chance at a GP next year. Boyang Jin will likely get at least one GP invitation based on JGPF and JW performance, plus another host pick next year, and he should be able to use JW to work on his world rankings.

    For pairs, the Beijing coaches (Hongbo Zhao and Bin Yao) are probably going to be focusing on the Sochi teams (Pang/Tong & Peng/Zhang), so the 4CC pairs will be accompanied by Luan Bo -- Wang & Zhang are currently Bo's team, and Y/J & S/H were both her former students, so it makes sense for them to go. Wang/Wang have never worked with Bo, so it would've been a little weird. Too bad for W/W. But a good opportunity for W/Z; after this season, it may be very hard for them to get any more international competition opportunities; doing well at 4CC could help them next season.

    In dance, Y/W may have already retired, and H/Z are focusing on Sochi. So three young teams are being sent for development, which is awesome, because China has a lot of young dance teams, and competition opportunities are very rare.
     
  16. Simone411

    Simone411 Just Flip-Flopping Around

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  17. Frau Muller

    Frau Muller President of Dick Button Appreciation Club

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  18. Simone411

    Simone411 Just Flip-Flopping Around

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    ITA! I'm glad Zijun Li made it. :)
     
  19. Dr.Siouxs

    Dr.Siouxs Well-Known Member

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    Zijun :cheer2: Still sending healing vibes to her, Osmond, and Carolina.
     
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  20. Marco

    Marco Missing Ziggy

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    Sui & Han just won 4CCs again with a total score of 212.4. This is ranked 4th on the season bests total score for pairs.

    Sigh.
     
  21. feraina

    feraina Well-Known Member

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    So who are the teams ahead of them? V/T and S/S, obviously. Who else?
    Did they also beat out Pang/Tong? I can't believe P/T hung on for this long. Their programs at Vancouver were stunning, and personally I thought they deserved the gold for their two flawless programs (and the record-setting FS). But it's clear that was their peak, and it's sad seeing them trying to fight against age and injuries to slowly go down in the standings. They've come out stronger than expected this season, but they didn't compete that much, and they benefited from opponents not yet peaking this season. I worry that they will be well off the podium in Sochi, when their own sbs jumps are so touch-and-go and the throws are prone to double-footing. On the other hand, their opponents might finally skate well (besides V/T and S/S, the top Canadians and Stolbova/Klimov are clearly starting to hit their stride). So it will more likely end up a disappointment for them than not.
    Of course, all true competitors will want to give their best shot, even if the odds are long, even if their bodies are not always cooperating, so I understand their drive to go to one last Olympics. But I wonder, if they had known four years ago, that the best they could shoot for is another bronze, whether they would have gone on for four years...
    I am very sad for Sui/Han that despite having so much potential and skating so well at 4CC, that they won't have a chance at Sochi. But I'm heartened by the fact that after the SP, Han said in the press conference that even though they scored a PB, they could still make the elements so much better, and they are working to improve their SS and presentation. I love their attitude!
     
  22. Gliding on ice

    Gliding on ice New Member

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  23. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to Nationals!

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    Bumping this back up to post links to a national competition, April 12-13, in Harbin:

    Schedule

    Entries (in Chinese)

    Han YAN is one of the listed competitors.

    Is there another (working) link on YouTube? I'd like to watch this. TIA!

    ETA major 2014 international competition results for the Chinese skaters/teams:

    FOUR CONTINENTS
    3 Nan SONG CHN 236.09 3 3
    7 Jinlin GUAN CHN 214.26 9 6
    16 Yi WANG CHN 179.52 17 16

    3 Zijun LI CHN 181.56 2 3
    11 Kexin ZHANG CHN 157.57 12 11
    15 Ziquan ZHAO CHN 142.32 13 16

    1 Wenjing SUI / Cong HAN CHN 212.40 1 1
    7 Wenting WANG / Yan ZHANG CHN 139.95 6 6

    Ice Dance:
    8 Yiyi ZHANG / Nan WU CHN 116.34 9 8
    9 Shiyue WANG / Xinyu LIU CHN 115.66 7 9
    11 Yue ZHAO / Chang LIU CHN 99.84 13 12

    OLYMPICS
    7 YAN Han CHN 246.20 8 7

    14 LI Zijun CHN 168.30 11 14
    15 ZHANG Kexin CHN 154.21 14 15

    4 PANG Qing / TONG Jian CHN 209.88 4 3
    8 PENG Cheng / ZHANG Hao CHN 195.72 7 8

    23 HUANG Xintong / ZHENG Xun CHN FNR 23

    JUNIOR WORLDS
    6 Boyang JIN CHN 203.64 2 6
    11 He ZHANG CHN 180.35 8 13
    17 Wenbo ZANG CHN 163.20 20 18

    25 Ziquan ZHAO CHN FNR 25 (1 lady)
    1 Xiaoyu YU / Yang JIN CHN 173.77 1 1 (1 pair)
    19 Yue ZHAO / Chang LIU CHN 99.00 17 20 (1 ice dance team)

    WORLDS
    7 Han YAN CHN 231.91 5 11

    17 Zijun LI CHN 150.34 16 17

    5 Cheng PENG / Hao ZHANG CHN 194.83 5 5
    6 Wenjing SUI / Cong HAN CHN 192.10 4 9

    (No ice dance team)
     
    Last edited: Apr 10, 2014
  24. sammyf

    sammyf Well-Known Member

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    Pairs entries are
    Wenting Wang/Yan Zhang
    WenJing Sui/Cong Han
    Xiaoyu Yu/Jin Yang
    Cheng Peng/Hao Zhang
    Xuehan Wang/Lei Wang
    Sui Jia Ying/Yang YungChao

    Can anyone translate &#24323;&#26435; which is listed after these two pairs? Does it mean they are split or injured or just that they chose not to attend?
    Mingyang Zhang/Xie Zhong
    Xiaoxue Chen/Wen Xiong Guo
     
  25. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to Nationals!

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    Han YAN did not compete. Can someone confirm whether or not these SP placements are correct? I haven't been able to find a link to official results/scores.

    Men's SP:
    Nan Song (4T+3T, 3A, 3Lz fall): http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjk3OTY3Nzk2.html
    Boyang Jin (3A, 4T<?, 3Lz+3T): http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjk3OTYzMjA0.html
    Yuhang Guan (4T+3T, 3Lo, 2A): http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjk4MDE1MjY4.html
    Jinlin Guan (video?)
    He Zhang (2A, 3F+3T, 3Lo): http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjk4MDE0NTY4.html
    Yi Wang http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjk4MDE1OTA0.html
    Tangxu Li http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjk4MDE3NTM2.html
    Yan Hao http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjk4MDE2NTgw.html

    Pairs SP:
    Xiaoyu Yu/Yang Jin http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjk3OTY2NzYw.html
    Xuehan Wang/Lei Wang http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjk4MDEyNDEy.html
    Wenjing Sui/Cong Han http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjk4MDEzMjI4.html

    Ladies SP:
    Zijun Li http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjk3OTY1OTEy.html
    Ziquan Zhao http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjk4MDEwODY0.html
    Xiangning Li http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjk4MDExNjgw.html / ISU bio

    Short Dance
    ???
     
    Last edited: Apr 13, 2014
  26. seabm7

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    I think it means WD.
     
  27. feraina

    feraina Well-Known Member

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    From a Chinese skating forum:
    Ladies SP:
    1 &#26446;&#23376;&#21531; (Li Zijun) 57.41
    2 &#36213;&#23376;&#33603; (Zhao Ziquan) 49.25
    3 &#26446;&#39321;&#20957; (Li Xiangning) 49.18
    9 &#37101;&#26195;&#38639; (Guo Xiaowen) 37.59
    12 &#29579;&#20339;&#30922; (Wang Jialei) 28.23
    13 &#24352;&#21487;&#27427; (Zhang Kexin) &#36864;&#36187; (WD)
     
  28. feraina

    feraina Well-Known Member

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    Pairs SP:
    1 &#20110;&#23567;&#38632;/&#37329;&#26472; (Yu/Jin) 39.11 + 27.66 = 66.77 3t 3tw 3loth
    2 &#29579;&#38634;&#28085;/&#29579;&#30922; (Wang/Wang) 37.93 + 25.36 = 63.29 3tw 3t 3loth
    3 &#38539;&#25991;&#38745;/&#38889;&#32874; (Sui/Han) 34.70 + 27.46 - 1.00 = 61.16 3fth &#25645;&#20912; (2ft) 3t she fall 3tw
    4 &#29579;&#25991;&#23159;/&#24352;&#23721; (Wang/Zhang) 32.31 + 21.46 = 53.77 3tw 3s he hand on 3oth
    7 &#24429;&#31243;/&#24352;&#26122; (Peng/Zhang) &#36864;&#36187; (WD)
     
  29. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to Nationals!

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    Thank you, feraina! Please post if you find other results online.

    I came across 2 tweets about the Men's FS:
     
  30. feraina

    feraina Well-Known Member

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    Men SP:
    1&#23435;&#26976; (Song Nan) 47.59+35.17 -1.00 =81.76 4t3t 3a 3lz fall
    2&#37329;&#21338;&#27915; (Jin Boyang) 41.79+31.92 -0.00 =73.713a 4t &#21452;&#36275; 3lz3t so
    3&#20851;&#23431;&#33322; (Guan Yuhang) 39.40 +31.01 -0.00 =70.41 4t3t 3lo 2a
    4&#20851;&#37329;&#26519; (Guan Jinlin) 36.17 +32.41 -1.00 =67.58 3a fall 3f3t 3lz
    5&#24352;&#40548; (Zhang He) 32.78 +30.74 -0.00 =63.52 2a 3f3t 3lo
    6&#29579;&#19968; (Wang Yi) 27.76 +31.42 -0.00 =59.18 2t 3a 3f2t
    13 &#38379;&#28085; (Yan Han) &#36864;&#36187; (WD)