Chinese skating updates and reports

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  1. DORISPULASKI

    DORISPULASKI Watching submarine races

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  4. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to GP & U.S. Sectionals!

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    His programs from the Chinese National Grand Prix competition are now on youtube - re-posting from the Han YAN fan thread in the Trash Can:
    SP: Minor Waltz from Doubles Jeux (Laurent Korcia) and Viper's Drag
    LP: Hannibal soundtrack - Gourmet Valse Tartare" mixed with "The Blue Danube" from Strauss II
     
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    Wow a Cannibal themed free-skate :inavoid:

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    Full results should look like this (link: http://chnfs.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Results_2013-2014_NC_GP.pdf )

    Pairs
    1 Peng Cheng / Zhang Hao 184.62 11
    2 Yu Xiaoyu / Jin Yang 175.54 32
    3 Wang Xuehan / Wang Lei 163.79 43
    4 Sui Wenjing / Han Cong 161.79 24
    5 Zhang Mingyang / Xie Zhong 137.10 65
    6 Chen Xiaoxue / Guo Wenxiong 128.57 57
    7 Sui Jiaying / Yang Yongchao 115.30 86
    WD Wang Wenting / Zhang Yan 40.56 7

    Men
    1 Song Nan 237.75 22
    2 Jin Boyang 235.75 31
    3 Yan Han 231.26 13
    4 Wang Yi 190.01 44
    5 Liu Jiaxing 176.58 56
    6 Zhang He 169.52 85
    7 Guan Yuhang 164.84 67
    8 Jia Fengbo 161.53 78
    9 Xu Zuoren 152.60 99
    10 Teng Zijing 133.87 1011
    11 Kang Ziyu 133.27 1110

    Ice Dancing
    1 Huang Xintong / Zheng Xun 133.28 11
    2 Yu Xiaoyang / Wang Chen 122.31 22
    3 Zhang Yiyi / Wu Nan 117.10 33
    4 Wang Shiyue / Liu Xinyu 102.02 44
    5 Zhao Yue / Liu Chang 95.83 56
    6 Chen Hong / Zhao Yan 92.43 67
    7 Song Linshu / Liu Yu 89.06 85
    8 Cong Yue / Sun Zhuoming 88.97 78
    9 Zou Bingxin / Wang Meng 82.38 99
    10 Li Xibei / Xiang Guangyao 78.12 1010
    11 Sun Wenqian / Wang Kuo 74.92 1111
    12 Wang Xiaotong / Zhao Kaige 72.16 1213
    13 Gao Qianyue / Zhang Yu 71.48 1312
    14 Yai Lulu / Wu Yulei 54.68 1414
    15 Liu Hanmiao / Jin Yuanshi 47.92 1515

    Ladies singles
    1 Zhang Kexin 164.28 11
    2 Zhao Ziquan 140.57 32
    3 Li Zijun 137.31 24
    4 Guo Xiaowen 131.77 43
    5 Jiao Yunya 112.32 55
    6 Wang Jialei 107.60 66
    7 Zheng Lu 93.33 79
    8 92.60 107 Xiao Yan Fang
    9 Zhu Qiuying 92.08 98
    10 Kun Qian 89.00 811
    11 Zhang Ying 84.98 1210
    12 Gao Yunfeng 75.72 1112
    13 Xu Xiaoyi 69.79 1313

    Junior Men
    1 HAO Yan 153.03 12
    2 Zang Wenbo 146.63 41
    3 Teng Zijing 141.51 23
    4 Lu Yunda 134.75 34
    5 Wang Jinze 123.95 55
    6 Jia Ziqi 121.59 66
    7 Liu Runqi 116.46 99
    8 Yu Lingxiao 116.09 117
    9 Cui Hongming 114.96 128
    10 Li Zeen 113.32 1010
    11 Li Yuheng 110.92 712
    12 Li Zaixu 106.96 813
    13 Zhu Lei 100.25 1711
    14 Gao Zijian 99.93 1315
    15 Rong Qinglong 96.96 1614
    16 Guo Zhunzhi 91.95 1416
    17 Meng Bolin 89.70 1517

    Junior Ladies
    1 Li Hongning 132.47 11
    2 Li Jiayin 113.00 22
    3 Zhao Minglu 105.76 33
    4 Li Xiaoxue 95.44 44
    5 Guo Yuzhu 89.49 65
    6 Ren Junffei 88.74 56
    7 Li Ruoxi 83.43 79
    8 Du Ketong 82.31 98
    9 Zhao Ying 80.73 137
    10 Sun Tongqi 80.61 10 10
    11 Liu Yuqing 78.05 811
    12 Li Yutong 73.67 1112
    13 Yu Tinghui 70.19 1413
    14 Kong Fanxuan 64.30 1214
     
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    oh my, what's with zijun li? did i miss some injury or just a totally blackout?
     
  9. pinky166

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    She was injured most of the summer and hasn't gotten a chance to run through her new programs much because of it.
     
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  10. leapfrogonice

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    Wow. Fascinating to see SO MANY ice dance teams on the event results just posted. From the scores, obviously, so many of them are not up to par for competing at an international level though. In the past, several of the top teams have sought out help (choreographically, coaching) from top international coaches like Natalia Linunchuk (sp?). I wonder whether there will be an effort to push some of the younger teams out to coaching situations outside of China, where there is not history of success in the sport, in the lead up to the next Olympics, which will be in Asia.
     
  11. DORISPULASKI

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    Linichuk has not had any top teams lately.
     
  12. Ziggy

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    It would help if those ice dance teams actually got sent to international competitions...
     
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    庞清佟健备战冬奥膝伤拖后腿 心态乐观咬牙坚持
    http://sports.sina.com.cn/o/2013-10-15/10346831934.shtml
    Tong was having knee issues. Wasn't in v good condition :(

    姚滨:索契冬奥中国花滑基本死定了 夺冠几率1%
    http://sports.sina.com.cn/o/2013-10-16/19466834622.shtml
    Yao Bin not too optimistic about the Olympics

    公开课合乐喜忧参半 中国花样滑冰队进入战时状态
    http://sports.sina.com.cn/o/2013-10-22/11266843514.shtml
    During the open session, Chinese top pairs made their share of mistakes

    Zhao rented an apartment (flat? room?) for his family. Sounds like the name for the baby will be Zhao Xue Er, not Jie Xue like it was reported earlier
    http://sports.sina.com.cn/o/2013-10-16/17496834552.shtml
     
  14. Marco

    Marco Missing Ziggy

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    I think the ladies will possibly place better than the pairs this season. There are one very weathered and injured pair and two very new, sloppy pairs. I don't believe they can even make top 5 at Sochi if the Russian pairs, Canadian pairs and German pair are even half decent. Li Zijun and Zhang Kexin both have great potential, but they need to be healthy first.
     
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    Poor Bo Luan. Sui/Han have been snatched away from her and moved to Yao Bin. It's probably in their best interest, though.
     
  16. feraina

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    A rather timely upgrade at this point, I'd say... Her coaching method probably in part caused sui's overuse injury.
    As a consolation for Luan, it's zhao hongbo who's coaching them, not Yao bin.
     
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    During the Skate Canada coverage, the Canadian broadcasters said that Sui/Han were being coached both by Yao bin and Zhao Hongbo.

    S/H looked great in the SP.
     
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    It's so strange to me how there has not been a strong follow up generation in either pairs or dance. Not that there was any tradition in dance, but the programs have not been productive of depth to any extent, and I find this somewhat puzzling.
     
  20. Ziggy

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    China has tons of ice dance teams. Unfortunately they aren't given any competition opportunities. :(

    I think the 'saving face' attitudes are really hurting their skating development. And the fact that the system is so top down and bureaucratic.
     
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    In his pragmatic wisdom, Coach Yao is playing the "lower your expectation" game again. :hat1: Is he in charge of the entire team now? He said the Chinese figure skating team is "dead for sure" in Sochi. I suppose after Shen/Zhao's gold, anything less would be "dead."
     
  22. feraina

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    Yao Bin hasn't been taking care of day-to-day training since his surgery. There have been a couple of open practice sessions this fall, and he wasn't at the boards with any of the pairs. If he's back in the rink at all, I'd think he's focusing all his energy on P/T. It's nice of him to at least mention S/H in this latest article; in the previous interviews he didn't mention them when discussing the Chinese pairs' prospects at the Olympics...
    He says in all interviews that P/T are guaranteed to go the Olympics b/c of their results at the last Olympics. I wish they wouldn't be so sure about that until P/T have skated in some competitions and shown what they are still capable of. JMHO.
     
  23. NadineWhite

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    Sui & Han are phenomal! Here's hoping they podium at Sochi! :kickass:
     
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    Article about Yao Bin's surgery and a bit about his life/career
    姚滨忆两次大手术和几次落泪:花滑是这辈子的选择
    http://sports.sina.com.cn/o/2013-10-25/08476849010.shtml

    I'm afraid I am not good at translating tech terms about his operations. (On top of that, I feel pain just reading it)

    This article is about Shen Xue helping out at the rink
    http://sports.sina.com.cn/o/2013-10-25/14476849602.shtml

    张昊否认将退役:我还这么年轻 要参加五六届奥运
    http://sports.sina.com.cn/o/2013-10-25/20366850077.shtml
    Zhang thinks he is too young to retire. He may do one or two more Olympics
     
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    Wang/Wang - I haven't been this excited about a Pair team for a very long time.

    For a Chinese team doing their first international competition, they were incredibly well packaged and polished. Potential seems to be incredible.
     
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    absolutely agree with your words ziggy.

    excited to see them with sui/han, peng/zhang and Yu/Jin going into the next quad. chinese pairs need 3 spots back, as soon as possible.
     
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    Actually, based on the results of Cup of China, I don't really worry about the results of Chinese pairs at the Olympics or generally about the future of Chinese pairs. Both Sui-Han in Skate Canada and Peng-Zhang in Cup of China looked pretty decent. I am impressed how quickly Peng caught up- she definitely did not look out of place at this senior international competition. And despite their injury Pang-Tong managed to beat Savchenko-Szolowy in the SP and placed pretty decent 2nd place overall. There was quite reasonable pair Wang-Wang; their time will come in the next four years after Pang-Tong retires.
     
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    Not sure if it is because of the change of coaches, but Sui's basics are so much better this year. I remember watching them 2 years ago and although they had VERY impressive elements, the state of their basic skating and transitions were quite painful. For example, I don't remember seeing another senior pair who would scratch so much on back crossovers. Watching her now at Cup of China, their basics look so much better...I wonder if the year when she was injured, maybe they couldn't do anything difficult (jumps, lifts etc) but maybe she could do basic skating and worked on that a lot. Or it might be that their new coach spent a lot of time fixing that.
     
  29. skatingfanfun

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    Same here, totally blown away by this new team! Such incredible charisma and chemistry, great ability in performance and interpretation. That Singing in the Rain was to die for. Love them. The choreographer did a great job picking two pieces of music that really suit them well and bring out their personality and showcase some kind of versatility . Good job for the team!

     
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    Wang/Wang's choreographer is listed as Helen Jiang. If only China's ice dancers had the natural expression of (she) Wang or Peng.