Cheney has has a Heart Transplant

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  1. skipaway

    skipaway Well-Known Member

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    Apparently recovering at Inova Fairfax Hospital in Falls Church, VA. Even though I despise his term as VP, I wish him well.

    Cheney's Heart Transplant
     
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  2. DarrellH

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    I honestly find it hard to do, but I wish no one ill will
     
  3. Skittl1321

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    I read a similar article and it made me wonder (as I often do when prominent people have transplants) if he received favor because of who he was. It said he was on the transplant list for 20 months. Is that an average amount of time?

    He is also a very old man, at his age death of natural causes is not unheard of (though without the heart problems he could live another 20 years too...) It was my understanding transplants are prioritized to younger recipients. Am I wrong about that? I see from another article that an expected number of years to live after a heart transplant is less than 10. Is there great value in extending from 71 to 81? I suppose I'm not the one to make that decision for him, nor question his decision.

    Either way, he has the heart now- and I wish him well in his recovery. I hope he lives a full life with it, to make the most of what is a pretty rare opportunity.
     
  4. julieann

    julieann Well-Known Member

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    You can't just put a heart in someone who is not a match because they are younger. I'm sure there have been 20 year olds on the wait list while older people have revived hearts much faster because the tissue was a match, that's just he way it is.

    From one Cheney story.

     
  5. milanessa

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    You consider 71 to be very old? Really?
     
  6. Skittl1321

    Skittl1321 Well-Known Member

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    Maybe my family doesn't live long. But yes. Many people die of natural causes within the next five years. Not everyone lives to 90, most of my relatives have died by 80, if not sooner. Heart failure is common among seventy- year olds.

    Yes, I'm aware you have to match. But if there is a younger match- is there any priority given to age? I know there is priority given to severity of condition, and other than that, is it just first come first served?
     
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  7. ChelleC

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    For his family, I'd say the answer is yes.
     
  8. julieann

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    It's based solely on tissue match not age.
     
  9. Prancer

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    So very many tasteless jokes are coming to mind here.....
     
  10. VALuvsMKwan

    VALuvsMKwan Wandering Goy

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    So very true (and, like Forrest Gump, that's all I have to say about that).
     
  11. Vash01

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    I wish him well, as a human being, and for the sake of his family.
     
  12. Garden Kitty

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    There is some priority given based on a variety of factors, but the "match" is key. Some useful info regarding the system is located here.

    The organ system is divided into regions and patients in specific regions can get priority for donations in that region. As I understand it, a very wealthy patient may be able to speed up the process by going to hospitals in regions with a shorter wait list for a particular organ. That issue came up with Steve Jobs who went to Tennessee for his liver transplant.

    Good luck to Cheney. Even with significant medical advantages, this is a major surgery. I hope the coverage of this surgery will encourage more people to sign up as organ donors. So many lives waiting to be saved.
     
  13. agalisgv

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    As Garden Kitty noted, it's not just based on tissue. Age is a factor (for pediatric recipients) as is geography, length of time on the list, severity of condition, etc.

    Back in the day, being over a certain age was a disqualifying factor (being over 50 made one ineligible to receive an organ). That age limit was removed. But there have been proposals over the years to limit organ recipients based on age, generally with 65 talked about as the upper limit. Here were the policy suggestions coming out of the President's Council on Bioethics in 2007 on this topic:
    http://bioethics.georgetown.edu/pcbe/background/ethics_of_organ_allocation.html
     
  14. cruisin

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    :eek: Are you serious? Very old?

    So,does that mean he should not have the same chance as anyone else with heart disease? Anyone with heart disease has a higher risk of passing from natural causes, regardless of age.

    ChelleC already answered that perfectly - for his family - yes.

    I'm not a Cheney fan, but I wish him a speedy recovery.
     
  15. Lacey

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    Wow, this is a very big step. I wish him well.
     
  16. Myskate

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    When my mom went on the kidney transplant list, she was 69. The Dr said that even though she wasn't fully in renal failure, she had to be on the list before she turned 70 or she would be turned down. I am assuming the same for Mr. Cheney. He got on the list before age 70. They will do a transplant if you are older than 70. You just must be on the list before then. My mom got her transplant at age 71 from my brother but that's a whole different story.
     
  17. Reuven

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    Whilst I detest his politics, and what he wrought in eight years in office, I still wish him speedy recovery. And it looks like he’s been waiting for two years all the while hooked up to a portable machine which couldn’t have been much fun.
     
  18. cholla

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    Remember that and ask yourself when you are 71 :shuffle:
     
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  19. michiruwater

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    Well, with the male life expectancy in the US being 75.6 years, I wouldn't classify 71 as very old. You'd have to be several years beyond the life expectancy rate before I'd do that.
     
  20. taf2002

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    My dad had a major stroke at age 81. Up to that time he was planting his garden, playing with his grandkids, & arguing with my mother. :) He was still safely driving his car during the day, going on trips, & attending all the activities that he wanted. He lived another 4 years, & recovered to the point that his personality was intact even though he wasn't able to walk. For a lot of reasons that extra time was very precious to me. We sure weren't ready to lose him without warning at age 81. So yes, at 71 we would have advocated extreme measures to not only keep him alive but to have him alive with quality of life. I can't stand Cheney but I understand the reasons for this transplant.
     
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    Have to agree with you - 71 is not old, just older. Anyone in my family who dies on this side of 90 is considered to have quit; if you don't make it to at least 90, you are practically disowned.
     
  22. skatesindreams

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    You speak for me.
    I wish Mr. Cheney well.
     
  23. Gazpacho

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    He was waiting for 20 months, so no, he probably did not receive favoritism.
     
  24. cruisin

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    This thread is a very special one. Though none of us seem to be fans of Mr. Cheney, it is heartwarming to know that his politics have no effect on our ability to be compassionate. That says a lot about the people who post here. :)
     
  25. Cachoo

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    I know his motivation was to protect the country but I always thought the Darth Vader comparisons had a kernel of truth. I don't wish ill health on him though.
     
  26. victoriajh

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    :lol::lol::lol:
     
  27. julieann

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    Yes, match is the key.

    You could live across the street, have a billion dollars and be the most famous person on earth and if the organ isn't a match for you, you're out of luck.
     
  28. John 3 17

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    If I could've extended my 90 yr-old grandfather's life by ten years, I would've. If I could've extended my 85 yr-old grandmother's life by ten years, I would've.

    This is the kind of mindset I fear will be on Obamacare's end-of-life boards (or as I call them -- "death panels"). No one life or one age group should be valued more than another. God help us all that life should mean so little.

    -Bridget
     
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  29. John 3 17

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    Oh, yes, because the #9 in this thread about "tasteless jokes" was "heartwarming" indeed :rolleyes:
     
  30. cruisin

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    They were not stated, and that was one comment. However, the discussion (in general) has been heartwarming.

    I hope that "end-of-life" panels never come about. There was a time when society valued it's older generations. Now, we only value youth. We throw away our elders - aka - very old men (and women).