Cheltzie Lee news

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  1. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    Sorry for the OT but since there is no Australian skating thread:

    Why wasn't Robert McNamara nominated for 4CCs? He was second at Nationals where he landed some triples.
  2. Aussie Willy

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    Robbie has probably turned it down due to the cost. He did do an interntional event after Nationals.

    Robbie skated great at Nationals, considering he hadn't been training that much leading up to it.
  3. Jumpin Bean

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    Robert MacNamara failed to attain the minimum score required to attend a championship event. He and Jessica Kurzawski both went to Goldern Spin in Zagreb in an effort to post a score- both failed.

    Love Robbie to death, on a good day he has the ability and carisma to be top 20 in the world but due to financial contraints he doesn't travel with a coach which seems to come against him when it matters. This is an example of an Australian skater with a barrow load of talent and parents without the $$ to sustain the training to move on. His state association has been very supportive but there will always be short falls if skaters go overseas to train.

    This will continue to be an issue with figure skating in Australia and now with the international minimum score we are going to see the Australian team continue to shrink. No longer will we see the team comprising of mediocre performers with personal fianancial resources to get them to the competitions. We will also see some really talented skaters without personal $$ being lost to the sport.

    On Cheltzie- the plan was for Cheltzie to withdraw from National Championships all along but as the "draw card" of the championships the charade had to be maintained in an effort to get the skaters from early in the competition to stay on the watch her compete. She had to be entered to receive a medical bye as well as to meet the selection criteria for the Morgan Innes scholarship. Reality is it doesn't matter what is written on the element sheet for a competition if the plan is not to compete anyway. Whispers are that she was offerred a GP this season but was unable to accept due to the injury.
  4. essence_of_soy

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    I can't see Cheltzie making the free at worlds (assuming she skates clean in the short), with more than a 3sal/2toe and a 3toe in the short. Also, if Cheltzie wants to meet her goals of a top ten finish, she needs more jump content than that.

    Her injury reminds me of what Joanne Carter faced following the Olympic Season in 1998. She was injured as well, and it took until 2005 (returning to close to her former technical potential) for her to come back to the World circuit.
  5. essence_of_soy

    essence_of_soy Well-Known Member

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    Top 20 potential? Does Robert have a triple axel or a triple / triple?
  6. BittyBug

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    That's all she had at the 2010 OLYs and made the free.
  7. essence_of_soy

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    This year there are skaters with more than that.
  8. BittyBug

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    Well there always are. It just comes down to who delivers. If Lee skates clean, she has a good shot of making the cut.
  9. Jumpin Bean

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    Robbie does have 3A and on a good day can land 3s/3t.

    I tend to agree that Cheltzie will be battling to make the cut at worlds. She has not been able to put the on ice training in since July and her programs have not been tweaked under competition conditions. Off ice conditioning does not equal competition fitness. Her competitors have mostly been at full fitness, meeting full training committments and have already had the opportunity to tweak programs under competition conditions. The field at OWG, while considered the pinacle of competing is not always as strong the field seen at WC in non OWG years.
  10. Ziggy

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    Cheltzie will easily qualify to the short at Worlds with 3t/2t, 3s and 2a, provided she skates clean and gets the levels.

    I feel very sorry for Robbie. He's a really cool skater. If only Australian skaters were funded... :(
  11. HisWeirness

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    ^ Cheltzie, if she goes to Worlds, will not need to skate in the preliminary round to qualify for the SP.

    Cheltzie's 17th place finish last season earned AUS Federation one direct entry to the Worlds Ladies SP.

    Cheltzie would have a direct entry to the SP at 2011 Worlds if she is sent as Australia's ladies entry (AUS is entitled to one ladies entry at 2011 Worlds).
  12. Ziggy

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    Sorry I meant to say she will easily qualify to the FS is she skates a clean SP, even with just 3t/2t and 3s.

    She has the overall quality and Ladies usually are very inconsistent.
  13. icemarker

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    never ever ever, seen Robbie do a 3A or 3s/3t combo. If he can then why hasn't he done them in competition or at least got the minimum technical element score at competitions.
    Has trouble doing 2A's. I think his carisma has rubbed off here.
  14. essence_of_soy

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  15. icemarker

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    very nice jump!!!!
    I see he is entered at 4CC hope he does well. Watched the other vid's as well. Nice skater, hope he gets to worlds.

    I also notice that the ladies have a preliminary round.

    http://www.isuresults.com/events/fsevent00011209.htm

    Jamie will have it tough going amongst this field.
  16. Ziggy

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    Good for him but that axel is cheated a bit. Impossible to tell how much exactly without slo-mo, though.

    Does Mark train in Canada or just goes there every now and then?

    Honestly, if they go ahead with it.... :wall:
  17. Aussie Willy

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    Ha ha - on the clip of his SP from Nationals if you see a reddish blob through the glass just where he does his combo that is me!!!

    Mark did go for his 3a at Nationals in the FS and got it counted.
  18. isk8junkie

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    Our Australian skaters are dropping out of the sport at an alarming rate due to lack of competition, lack of funding, limited coaching, support, criticism, lack of designated sessions etc, etc ! The training mentality here in Australia is NOT as motivating and competitive as that of the larger figure skating dominating nations!

    It saddens me that OBVIOUSLY there are those in the Australian community that find it so easy to criticise. Not just Cheltzie but I have read not so nice things about Danielle O'Brien and Greg Merriman, Phoeobe Di tomasso, Robert McNamara, Mark Webster and other senior skaters in Australia.

    At the end of the day, these skaters skate for Australia. Criticise if you will but Cheltzie has delivered and delivered with poise, grace, humility and GUTS!!!! She has done a lot for Australia via way of her achievements. GIVE the girl her props and let her get on with enjoying the sport. She is basically our only Senior ladies skater left in Australia! Battling injury, school commitments and beating the ODDs she's still standing!!! I'm SO sick of our tall poppy syndrome and further so saddened that it is alive and rampant!

    To those who criticise your time will come AND I don't wish for you what you are inflicting on innocent skaters. I have 3 children who skate and they hang on the words of encouragement from our Senior skaters. My children aspire to achieve what these international skaters have achieved.

    I have the greatest admiration for our elite skaters. They represent our country well. We and ONLY we know the challenges.....UNBELIEVABLE challenges in OUR country that these skaters and our sport face. If you don't know JUST ASK one of them.

    WHO CARES if Cheltzie doesn't qualify. She will continue to do her best to compete and compete well for Australia as ALL our international skaters continue to do. GO LUCK TO THEM ALL at 4 Continents Championships. They're all champions!!
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  19. isk8junkie

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    Further to my previous post:

    Canterbury Ice rink was a buzz yesterday! Cheltzie was on the ice practicing her programs. Brendan and Chantelle Kerry returned from training in LA. It was a delight for my children to be able to watch these skaters in action.

    Brendan Kerry landed a beautiful 3lz 3t combo! How impressive...a very talented young man. I have yet to see him pull off the 3A but quite a few people say he can and that I don't doubt. Cheltzie landed a few 3lz and a few 3t3t combos in the first half of the short prog. Maybe training it for Worlds??? I haven't seen her do 3lo's lately but certainly 3f's.

    I hope the 2011 season will see them pull off these magnificent jumps in competition! I love coming to Canterbury rink!!!
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  20. MikiAndoFan#1

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    :(

    That's great! :cheer2: Go Cheltzie! :respec:
  21. essence_of_soy

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    Good to hear the Australians working hard and building towards their peak.

    Looking forward to Four Continents.
  22. Aussie Willy

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    I don't see anyone from Australia getting on this forum and criticising and shooting down our skaters. There might be some analysis but no-one is putting our skaters down. Probably the bigger issue is people presenting information that is not quite correct. Which is why you do get people like Chantelle Kerry's mum getting on here to clear things up. And knowing her I understand why she does it.

    However it is an open forum. Skaters get discussed. But what is said about the Australian skaters is pretty mild and tame compared to what gets said about most of the top level international skaters.
  23. icemarker

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    well seems like someone here has had a dummy spit!!!

    In this thread, I cannot find anyone whom has give detrimental criticism of cheltzie or any other AUS skater. They have stated their opinions on whether or not that she will make the CUT at 4CC. They have NOT attacked anyone's proficiency. Figure skating every year someone is bring a new bag of tricks to raise the overall level, so they are getting better and better. They have purely stated their opinion, and isn't what these forums are for. I am quite sure that you have stated your opinion in some forums, so maybe forums are not for you.

    AUS it is a minority sport like other countries MEX,BRA,RSA,SIN,NZL, all have similar problems as you stated, and that's why some athletes from these countries train abroad, to get specialized training. They all have school or University, Injuries to tend with, living away from home. Its not cheep but it's their passion and most parents will help if they can. They all try hard and their best, but some have got it and some don't. International Competitions like 4CC, World, OWG we mainly see those whom have it. The are many out there whom on a given day could mix it with some of the best but were unfortunate to get selected. Sh*t happens.

    Many athletes from many countries give the sport away, due to financial reasons, support, training facilities etc, not only AUS, I think it has been fortunate that the OWI and Skating Associations has recognized Cheltzies talents and tried to support her where they can.

    You can only feel for those whom are not aided to getting to these International assignments no matter what sport it is.
  24. Aussie Willy

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    ^ Very well said!
  25. misskarne

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    Fantastic! OT but I have to say that I'm not a great fan of the ice surface at Canterbury (it seems almost rippled? Has anyone else noticed this? Or maybe I got it on a bad day?) but I was hugely impressed that it was nudging 40C outside and the ice was nice and dry. Phillip has three inches of water on the surface at that temperature. ;)

    Mark Webster's style is so nice. I like it very very much. Huge huge shame to me that figure skating doesn't get any airtime down here. One HD is twenty-four hour sport; surely it wouldn't kill them to put some figure skating on, even if they shove it into a crazy timeslot. If it got some airtime, sponsorship might be a little easier to come by. For goodness' sake, the amount of American sport on One is crazy; the least they could do is show some Australians trying their hearts out in a different sport!

    Also on the subject of men, here's my tip for the future: Robbie Ashman. He trains at the same rink I do (admittedly not hard as there's only one rink in Canberra) but has a different ice schedule, and the last time I saw him practise (about a month ago) he was practising a beautiful triple loop. And by beautiful I mean, eyes-popping-out-of-my-head, enormous height, quick rotation beautiful. And landed neatly too. He passed his Junior level test in December last year (he's 20 years old). He has a really great style. Unfortunately no-one seems to have posted any videos on Youtube of him, otherwise I would provide evidence.

    It's a little sad; I look around my rink during freestyle practice, and I wonder which skaters will be able to keep going. Which ones will have the money to continue, and which ones will find that they are forced to give it up because they can't afford it.

    I guess the thing that frustrates me most in Canberra is that our figure skaters do reasonably well at Nationals, but it's our ice hockey team that gets the sponsors, our ice hockey team that gets the media coverage, our ice hockey team that gets priority ice team. Where does our ice hockey team finish every season without fail? LAST. Stone cold last. They're lucky to win one game in the entire season. The unfairness of it all rankles quite badly.
  26. essence_of_soy

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    Good to hear of the quick improvement. At Nationals he only had the triple sal.
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    slightly off topic but Brooklee Han places second at Bavarian Open

    http://www.deu-event.de/results/BAY/BO2011/CAT006RS.HTM

    And the ISU has given a JGP to Brisbane .... 3 Aussie skaters at a JGP at home should be great :D I fully expect Chantelle to get one of them.
    Not sure if Cheltzie would want to do one though
  28. misskarne

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    Is that so? I find that slightly odd because he did a triple toe in the Christmas show as well. He gets massive height.

    I also confess myself utterly in love with his stretch lines on his camel spin. :swoon: But that's not unusual; I'm a sucker for stretched camels.
  29. essence_of_soy

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    I guess the pressure of competition is quite different from being in a show. Robert actually struggled on or popped most of his jumps at Nationals.
  30. misskarne

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    :(I guess so. That's unfortunate; still, I reckon he's got, technique-wise at least, what it takes to be a major force in Australian figure skating.


    He was under plenty of pressure in the show...his opening number was "Ain't That A Kick In the Head" and I swear every girl in the room swooned on cue!:swoon:;)
  31. icemarker

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    This is a great result for her, It will build confidence skating in such a large field, but I suppose she is use to that training and competing in USA.

    ISA would probably want the best age eligible skaters for the GP in Brisbane.
  32. Angelskates

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    Great, exciting news for Australian skating. :cheer2: :cheer2:
  33. essence_of_soy

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    Personally, though she is still age eligible, I think it would be a step backwards for Lee if she skated on the Junior circuit.
  34. Aussie Willy

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    You won't see skating on TV, even Worlds. The only time we get to see it is when the Olympics are on. Sad fact but true. Like many other minority sports too who probably deserve the same. That is why it is handy to have contacts overseas who send you DVDs. :)

    If we are talking about skaters of the future the one I love to watch is Brad McLachlan. He has a gorgeous style, beautiful transitions. Having watched him over the last 18 months I am really impressed with the way he has developed. When I have seen him the jumps have been an issue. But if gets them he can certainly be a top contender.
  35. essence_of_soy

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    I'm with Aussie Willy here.

    Brad is great, although his mental toughness is really lacking to the point where he not only botches jumps in competition, but spins as well. That must be so frustrating for a skater with so much potential.

    He really should have been on the podium in both junior and senior nationals.
  36. isk8junkie

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    No dummy spits here! Just talk about lack in jump component etc etc. in comparison to other international skaters. In the larger scheme of things Australia and it's skaters haven't done too bad against the larger nations. Just on sheer numbers alone we are such a smaller country trying to break through in a tough sport competing against the best in the world! From where I sit....we're doing pretty good!
  37. Aussie Willy

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    To quote you:

    And

    You should read back what your write. And maybe think about how you use uppercase letters in your posts.

    However you are obviously an expert on the skating scene in Australia and have a greater passion for it than everyone else, going by the tone of your posts. :rolleyes:
  38. isk8junkie

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    I suppose I should Aussie Willy. thank you. As far as being an expert...far from it. But most people on these sites post as if they are wouldn't you say?? So I suppose I'm not any different really. :confused:
  39. misskarne

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    Good work from Cheltzie and Jaimee at 4CC today!

    I especially love Jaimee's entrance to the 2A - the Ina Bauer, change foot, Ina Bauer, take off! I love it!



    Cheltzie's costume is very...bright :yikes: But it grows on you.
  40. essence_of_soy

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    Probably not the best angle, but it looked great in performance, and really suited the music and choreography.