Chan, Lambiel, Lysacek, Joubert, Tak, who had best and poorest career

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Best and worst career out of Chan, Lambiel, Joubert, Lysacek, Tak

  1. Chan best career, Lysacek worst

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  2. Chan best career, Joubert worst

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  3. Chan best career, Takahashi worst

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  4. Lambiel best career, Lysacek worst

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  5. Lambiel best career, Joubert worst

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  6. Lambiel best career, Takahashi worst

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  7. Takahashi best career, Lysacek worst

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  8. Takahashi best career, Joubert worst

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  9. Lysacek best career, Takahashi or Lambiel worst

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  10. Lysacek best career, Joubert worst

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  11. Joubert best career, Takahashi or Lambiel worst

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  12. Joubert best career, Lysacek worst

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  1. Andofanatic

    Andofanatic Member

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    Between Lambiel, Joubert, Takahashi, Lysacek, and Chan who would you say had the best and poorest careers at this point. I mean purely by achievements, not subjective views on who is the better skater.

    I would say the best is Chan. 3 Worlds titles and all his other international views more than overcomes Evans 1 Olympics and 1 Worlds and few international wins of smaller nature, Lambiel 2 Worlds titles and 1 Olympic silver and also few other international wins, and the bevy of medals but only 1 World or Olympic title for Joubert tand Takahashi.

    2nd best I guess I would give to Lambiel. 2 World titles plus Olympic silver is worth as much or more to 1 World title and 1 Olympic Gold, and he has 2 Grand Prix finals to 1 for Evan. Both have limited international wins and other medals compared to even Joubert and Takahashi.

    I would give 3rd to Takahashi. Only 1 World title and only Olympic bronze, but so many top 2 medals at Worlds, grand prix wins, and other success that overcome the only edge Evan has over him, Olympic Gold vs Olympic bronze.

    4th would be Evan.

    Joubert is last.
  2. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    2 of Chan's 3 World titles were so historically disputed one could even consider him as having only 1 of those 2 and 2 World titles but even with that I would say his career edges Lysacek and Lambiel as his other acheivements outside World and Olympics so far outshine theirs. Takahashi I would probably say has the 2nd best career due to all his World and Grand Prix final silvers along with the 1 gold of each. Anyway Takahashi and Ten might as well be considered as having an honorary gold medal from 2012 and 2013, as most people will remember them as the real winners of those events, similar to Sandra Klopfer as the real winner of the 53 Worlds instead of Jacqueline DuBief. Joubert I would pick 3rd, maybe even 2nd over Takahashi. All his European titles and medals have to count for alot, especialy compared to Lambiel's abysmal European record, and while Evan didnt get to compete at Europeans he couldnt even do better at Four Continents or U.S Nationals vs much poorer fields than what Brian did at Europeans. Lambiel probably edging Evan by a bit so Evan the poorest career of the bunch despite his World and Olympic Gold.
  3. elif

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    I can't vote for Chan worst :lol: Very objective :lol:
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  4. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    Agreed. Pretty much makes it a pointless poll. I dont think he had the worst career but there still should be an option for those who want to vote that.
  5. SkateFan66

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    In addition to winning an Olympic Gold Medal and Word Championship, Lysacek won the Grand Prix Final, 4CC championship (2 times), 2 National titles, and 2 world bronze medals. Not too shabby.
  6. mia joy

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    This is actually an inetersting poll considering Chan does not have an Olympic medal YET.

    I'd still put him in 1st, though, for his 3 consequtive World titles. And well, call me crazy, but I would put Joubert right up there in 2nd. I just cannot have the other guys' single Olympic medals overcome Joubert's 10-year-long consistency in winning European medals. And he started winning them in the good old times of Yags, Plush and other European stars, so one definitely cannot say they're not worth that much. Also when you count the World medals, Joubert's got the most. All the other guys but Chan only have three. Chan has five.

    So yeah, Chan 1st, Joubert 2nd. Then probably Lysacek for the OGM, then Lambiel and Takahashi.

    It's actually sad, come to think of it, that out of all those great skaters only Brian will end his career without an Olympic medal. Talk about doomed competitions. He was right there among the favourites in 2006 and had he been clean he could've easily had a battle for medals in 2010 as well.
  7. IceIceBaby

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    I really don't think an Olympic medal is that important in defining somebody's career. It's just one competition. Yes, Lysacek won it once and he has a one World medal, but that is not much compared to for example Joubert who has several World and European medals. To medal many years in a row is much more harder than success in one competition.

    Besides, your poll is biased because there is no voting option for Chan worst.
  8. wonderlen

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    What is the point of this post??
    Joubert has the most world medals and longest career, but had the most epic meltdown in Olympics.
    Evan won everything there is to win in figure skating.
    Lambiel had two world titles and OSM, but he was as erratic as Takahashi, with better spins.
    Taka has one WGM and two silver and OBM. He is like different version of Lambiel with medicore spins, but great 3A...
    Chan has yet to win OM... and won 3 worlds (at least on paper), and he is skating better and better and keep breaking records LOL
  9. bardtoob

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    I think Chan has the best technical skills and had the best performances of those in the poll.

    I think Evan has the best list of accomplishments.
  10. TheIronLady

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    Joubert has had a good career. Nobody else has had his longevity. The voters who put him worst apparently did not consider his long string of top 6 and medal finishes at Euros and Worlds over 11 years.
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  11. Eyre

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    I have to put Joubert into the worst career place because even though he's been on the top for over a decade, most of his competition results were unsatisfactory to himself and his fans. Just like Kevin van der Perren, keeps going like energizer but can't often reach the end of the tunnel.
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  12. judgejudy27

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    In all seriousness, while I am no Chan fan, anyone who is voting for someone other than Chan as the best career is smoking some serious weed. 3 World titles > or atleast = 1 World title + 1 Olympics or 2 Worlds titles + Olympic silver. So even what Lyscek and Lambiel "won" in World and Olympics is not worth more than Chan, and then when you add Chan's 2 other World silvers he is already clearly ahead of both in World and Olympic achievements. Then when you look at the remainder of their careers, he really blows both out of the water, Lambiel and Lysacek won a combined mere 5 regular grand prixs between them, LOL! Lambiel couldnt even win Europeans once, and Lysacek won U.S Nationals only twice only having to face Abbott and Weir. Joubert and Takahashi have more longevity and more complete medal records than Lambiel and Lysacek, but dont have the World or Olympic records to come anywhere near Chan. Chan has had the best career of all these guys by a HUGE HUGE margin, and I am the furthest thing from a Chan fan. The rest are all debateable and an interesting topic.

    The only way I could see it justified one not voting for him is you so heavily disagree with some of his wins and results that some are choosing to disregard or devalue some of them. Maybe that is what some of those who voted for anyone else did. Otherwise there is simply no case for anyone else.
  13. bardtoob

    bardtoob Well-Known Member

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    Gosh, Judgejudy27, you talk as if Chan's best performances are behind him and he has nothing more to achieve.
  14. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    I didnt imply that anywhere in my statement (although I think that could easily be true, especialy as he is near retirement, but that is another topic). Just that his career as it is already is, is clearly the best on this list, nobody else comes close.
  15. bardtoob

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    I'm glad. I hope he does not become one of those skaters that goes to a new coach, then all the good performances go as well.
  16. SkateFan66

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    ALL of these men are great skaters that have had fantastic skating careers. I have enjoyed many memorable performances by all of these skaters. I feel no need to rank the skaters.
  17. Eyre

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    Don't know why anyone choose Lysacek to have the worst career? He's the luckiest skater on the planet. He's gotten all he's ever wanted quickly enough. Grabbed them and wrapped them up and gone for good. Now he's enjoying the celebrity life.:D
  18. judgejudy27

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    I wouldnt call training hard to make comebacks and continually being injured or running into odds with the USFSA (early 2012), and esssentialy being stuck in limbo no man land between amateur skating and your formerly new life of pro skating and Stars on Ice, is living the celebrity life or dream life. I imagine if anything it has been mostly frusteration between these 2 Olympics for him. Evan is also hardly a big celebrity even in the U.S. The few month blip of the Olympics followed by Dancing with the Stars is probably the last time most casual Americans can remember him. I wouldnt expect if you walked on a U.S street and asked 30 random people who Evan Lysacek was if more than 1 or 2 would have an inkling. Now if it were Michelle Kwan on the other hand....

    Anyone who voted for him as the worst career probably consider the Olympics equal to a Worlds, which there are some that feel that way. If that were the case he would probably have the worst career overall. Even if one considers the Olympics only slightly worth more than a Worlds one could still feel that way depending how much one values Jouberts longevity and haul of European titles and World medals, and Takahashi's haul of silvers and grand prix wins. I do value the Olympics enough and find extreme longevity overrated, so that is why I voted Joubert as the worst.
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  19. SkateFan66

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    Based on the poll results, you actually voted Lysacek as the worst, not Joubert.
  20. judgejudy27

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    Well that was a mistake then, I meant to vote Joubert as the worst, and my earlier post where I indicated my order I said I felt Joubert was the worst. Since I consider Lysacek 2nd worst though, no biggie. Either one could easily be considered the worst career (worst skater is Lysacek by a landslide, and worst impact on the sport with the most controversial wins is Chan, but those are both seperate topics). There are too many poll options by the OP anyway and it is confusing at times.
  21. Eyre

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    Well, living with a rich old lady in a mansion, driving porsche, wearing rolex and designer clothes, even having helicopter to take him to the rink... He is much better off than most skaters when they are done competitive skating career. He's not necessarily interviewed or appeared often. It's still a celebrity level life.:D
  22. professordeb

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    I need more choices! I don't like the pairings! ;)
  23. julieann

    julieann Well-Known Member

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    How can you even have this poll when not everyone is retired?
  24. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    The only one with a chance to add anything significant to his current career is Chan, and Chan is already clearly first as it is (except for the delusional individuals).
  25. shine

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    We need a poll here for which the most pointless poll is here in the Trash Can as well as which poster gets the most worked up for the most pointless poll. There sure are a lot of candidates around these days.
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  26. Shaia

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    I cannot stop laughing! Too funny :lol:
  27. museksk8r

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    :rolleyes: How in the world is Chan without any Olympic medal "already clearly first as it is" and how is anyone who disagrees with your assessment coined as "delusional individuals?" Hmmmmm................ JMO, but Lambiel's Olympic silver, 2 unquestionable World titles, and 2 GPF titles trumps Chan sans Olympic medal, 3 World titles, 2 won controversially, and 2 GPF titles.
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  28. iarispiralllyof

    iarispiralllyof Active Member

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    this is what i thought
  29. judgejudy27

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    First off I like Lambiel`s skating many more times than Chan, and if Lambiel were a Canadian under the current CSA he probably would have won the 2004 Worlds, 2005 Worlds, 2006 Olympics, 2006 Worlds, 2007 Worlds, even ridiculously 2008 Worlds, and the 2010 Olympics (not saying he should have won all those of course, but would have if was scored and had the same politics behind him Chan currently has). However unless I am misreading the poll was asking about better careers, not better or more worthy skaters.

    Lets be generous and say Lambiel`s Olympic silver is equal to a World title. That would give Chan and Lambiel both 3 World title equivalents, so thus far they are tied. Beyond that Chan has 2 World silvers vs Lambiel 1 World bronze, both have 2 Grand Prix final titles, and the rest of Lambiel`s record- only 2 grand prix event wins and no European titles leaves him way behind Chan. Yes Chan has a boatload of questionable wins and medals, but that does that really mean anything when the topic is who has had the best career. I could see them counting against him if the topic was who is the greatest or best skater, or who will be remembered the most positively or respected. The medals and titles are still officially his though.
  30. David21

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    Lysacek best, Joubert worst.

    Reasons:

    Lysacek has Olympic Gold and won Worlds, no one else on the list did that so he's first.

    Lambiel is 2nd since he won Worlds twice and has Olympic Silver. Takahashi has Olympic Bronze and won Worlds once so he is 3rd behind Lambiel.

    Chan won Worlds more often than Joubert so he is ahead even though both skaters won no Olympic Medal. Joubert's multiple Euro Medals are irrelevant since Chan isn't European so he can't be compared (and I like Joubert much more than Chan).

    That makes it:

    1. Lysacek
    2. Lambiel
    3. Takahashi
    4. Chan
    5. Joubert
  31. orientalplane

    orientalplane Mad for mangelwurzels

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    What a ridiculous poll.
  32. falling_dance

    falling_dance The Scarlet Unlettered

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    :shelves my "K. Chen, Sotskova, Sakhanovich, who had best and poorest career" poll in embarrassed disgust: :(
  33. orientalplane

    orientalplane Mad for mangelwurzels

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    :rofl:

    Sotskova, K.Chen....... :COP: :confused:

    I do believe Ms falling_dance is not being quite truthful.
  34. falling_dance

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    Sotskova, K. Chen

    Anyway, the correct answer is too obvious for me to bother polling the Trash Can dwellers. :drama: :p
  35. lala

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    I voted -Lysacek best career, Joubert worst
  36. Yazmeen

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    I voted like lala looking at it as best career, not who is necessarily the best skater. And sorry, but Chan's record, especially with the controversy over this year's World gold, just doesn't hold up as well as Lysacek's (or Lambiel's for that matter).
  37. judgejudy27

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    I am the furthest thing from a Chan fan, and I even adore Evan Lysacek compared to Chan, LOL! However all the controversy does not take away medals, they will still forever be recorded in history, they will never be taken away (barring something out of the blue like a doping scandal) and Chan has the most medals, gold medals, and impressive collection of medals of this list by a long ways. I fail to see how controversy has any impact on your "record", maybe your reputation which would come into play how great a skater or champion you are, but not your record. To think Lysacek's Olympic Gold or Lambiel's Olympic silver elevate their careers above Chan or make up for their other massive deficits by comparision, is to exagerrated the value of Olympic medals to a height they dont deserve (eg- Olympic Gold would have to be worth atleast 3 World titles to elevate Evan's career above Chan's, and an Olympic silver worth atleast 2 World titles to elevate Lambiel's career above Chan's). Given that you also seem to think Kim with 2 Olympic Golds would still have a lesser career to Kwan and even Vinson Owen it seems you have flucuating standards on the value of those Olympic medals depending on the skater as well. :lol:
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  38. Cheylana

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    I second this. It's ridiculous to refer to any of these as having the "poorest" career when they all are so accomplished (and some are still competing!!).
    Besides, as usual it will just devolve into "who I like best" poll.
    :lol:
  39. TheIronLady

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    I think David is the most logical. LOL. This poll has made me weary of high minded proclamations. I am happy for a dose of unbiased analysis. LOL. It is true that Chan had a chance for an Olympic medal on home territory, and he did not make it happen. Perhaps, though, he will follow in Evan's pattern and do better at his second Olympics. Any medal in Sochi could elevate his career above the lot.
  40. wristflick

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    1. Chan- 3 World titles above all others.
    2. Lambiel- 2 World titles + Olympic silver above all remaining others
    3. Takahashi- I was going to say Lysacek 3rd since Olympic Gold + World Gold > 1 World gold + Olympic bronze, but Takahashi has so many other great results while Lysacek is kind of empty outside his top couple results so I say Takahashi.
    4. Lysacek- Olympic Gold + World gold atleast has to put him over Joubert.
    5. Joubert- longevity, smongevity, the big wins just arent there. Same with Takahashi, but atleast he has an Olympic medal of some color to go with his World title.