Chan Conquers Toughest Six Inches

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  1. Iceman

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  2. alchemy void

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    "Conquering" six inches? Not impressed. Weak! :lol:
     
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  3. caseyedwards

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    Takahashi is in Chan's league! He is just not as consistent. Many might say Chan is not in Takahashi's league artistically! They are both in the same league!
     
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  4. DFJ

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    I think they're both talented, gifted skaters. I'm Canadian and I'll lean toward Patrick, but if Dai comes out and skates his best to win the title I'll be just fine with that.
     
  5. PDilemma

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    The writing with all the similes, metaphors and cliches made my head hurt.
     
  6. elle123

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    Agreed! But, if you look at the base value of the technical elements in their FPs, Patrick does have the edge there. If he skates cleanly, I'm not sure if anyone could beat him.
     
  7. Moka-Ananas

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    And the Pulitzer prize goes to...
     
  8. Jenna

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    This Article Title...:rofl:
     
  9. aftershocks

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    Wow, these Canadian journalists sure have wildly over-extended imaginations, and hugely entertaining descriptive vocabularies -- hilarious analogies and wordplays. They take hype and misspeak to a whole 'nother level.

    Fascinatingly, they even trump the Reuters journalist from last fall: "Chan trapped between two worlds." Now, "Chan conquers toughest six inches." :eek: It will be an amazingly enough feat should Chan ever be able to overcome all the Chanuck of the North hype/ hoopla and the ISU judges' uber Chandom to truly develop his artistic skills to the level of skaters such as Daisuke, Abbott, Savoie, Weir, Cranston. Did the Canadian press carry on this way about Toller, Brian, and Kurt in their heydays???

    "The middle of an Olympiad is when the oil stick starts to give a more accurate reading and it’s sure got a lot to say about Patrick Chan." :rofl:

    "Takahashi is one of those dangerously exciting skaters — he’s going to bring you out of your seat or hurt his face trying to — but in all-around talent and delivery systems, he’s not really in Chan’s league." :huh: :rolleyes:

    Wallapuhlooza, ya don't say. I think Chan would beg to differ re Dai not being in his league as a top skater. OTOH, Chan himself really is not in the same "league" as Dai and Abbott when it comes to artistry and musical interpretation (despite the numbing ad infinitum verdicts of ISU judges).

    "It’s still almost two years out from Sochi, but it’s possible that by the time we get there, no one will be in Chan’s league."

    Kinda scary, eh? I guess at the rate the ISU judges are scoring Chan, and the way he's being heralded/ exalted in the Canadian press, perhaps by 2014, Chan will be "In a League of His Own," and he won't even have to skate on Sochi ice. The Olympic gold medal will be awarded to him during the opening ceremonies. :rofl: :p :scream:

    "He’s so artistic he could make a Stevedore cry." :rolleyes: :blah:

    Seriously, does the writer know anything about figure skating? If a skater has artistry, it is witnessed, felt, and remembered in a way that is beyond words. No one has to proclaim it in this over-hyped, ham-handed way.

    "...flinging the emotional wobblies toward the other skaters..." Such flinging could have a boomerang effect.

    Re, the writer's reference to "overconfidence" being more welcome to an athlete than "self-doubt" and "inconsistency," I think all athletes suffer from the latter two characteristics. It is the former that should be considered unwelcome and dangerous when competing on thin ice.
     
  10. bardtoob

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    The title is :rofl: . . .

    . . . but the title should really be "The Canadian Media Answers Chan".
     
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  11. bek

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    I really don't think most of Chan's wins are based on any great consistency on his part. If ISU technical controllers are starting to use you as an example of PCS reputation scoring gone a muke, there's a problem.

    He's overall the best in the world when he skates well though. I really don't think this kind of thing will continue till Sochi. He still needs to conquer the consistency thing. No one's really consistent though-to be fair. But I think someone is going to eventually step up in that department.
     
  12. Moka-Ananas

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    *cough* Plush *cough* ;)
     
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  13. berthesghost

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    Holy nationalistic fluff piece Batman, that shit was off the hook! The freudian gay slip title alone makes it an instant classic. :lol:

    So basically....

    Remember that non-incident the media desperately tried to make into something big, but no one cared? Well, let me mention it one more time. Do you care yet? No? Oh, well then I meant it ironically. I meant no one cared. That's why I mention it for no reason.

    Chan's one world title makes him a god. Dai's one world title makes him a loser that isn't fit to sharpen Paddy's skates. Chan is sure to win worlds, but even if he doesn't, he's still so good he'll still be the best skater, like EVAH!

    The only reason why Paddy isn't a big big hero in Canada is because:
    1. He trains all the way far far away in a distant country that is the only country Canada shares a border with. Oh, and a language.
    2. Sports writers don't use telephones. Or email. Or skype. They only write about athletes who train a few blocks from their office. Everyone knows that.
    3. Worlds was postponed, so I guess everyone forgot about it.
    4. Paddy's dog ate his homework.
    5. It's all Kerrigan's fault. I'll tell you why later, but just trust me on this, it's all Nancy's fault.

    So even if Paddy never wins again, which is silly because he's going to win like EVERYTHING!, it doesn't matter because he's so great small puppies cry when he skates. All other skaters suck. All of them. He's going to win the Olys, because he's unbeatable, just like Orser and Browning and Elvis. They all won the Olys, right?
     
  14. shine

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    This kind of articles really do not help Chan win fans.

    Agreed. Except consistency issues keep other skaters from placing well, but not him.
     
  15. bek

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    But I think it may eventually affect him. The outcry is getting louder and louder. He won't win the Olympics with 3 falls.
     
  16. love_skate2011

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    and I thought PJ Kwong was the worst in terms of uber dumbfounded bias
    :eek: :shuffle:
     
  17. Dilng

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    No it doesn't in fact it does the oposite and in my opinion Chan doesn't compare to Dai's musicality, expression, flow -- Dai is in a league by himself!
     
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  18. overedge

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    That is like saying that an overinflated self-centred article by Phil Hersh is representative of all American journalists' writing.

    It's one article by one writer. It's not even representative of how the majority of Canadian sports journalists write, not to mention Canadian journalists in general.

    And not to further defend a bad article, but it's not a news article. It's clearly an opinion piece, so the writer's bias is naturally going to show in it.
     
  19. aftershocks

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    Headache, eyeache, earache, nosebleed, total head trauma, not to mention nausea, acid indigestion and gas pains. The writer himself apparently suffers from serious incurable brain fart disease.

    :respec:

    You hit the nail on the head, the chicken on the neck, and perfectly placed the tail on the donkey (pardon my annoying cliches) ... In other words, that must be why all the giddy over-reaching and over-hyping that goes on from far north ... Perhaps the Canucks/ Chanucks are over-excited and losing their minds over finally having a sure thing shoo-in to win the fs Men's Olympic gold medal!!!???

    Alas, Orser, Browning, and even Elvis should have won the Olympics --Orser would have in 1984 if it had been under the present scoring system (or even under a post 1990 scoring system sans figures). Browning certainly had the chops and the choreo to do so, but it just wasn't his couple of days/ couple of Olympics. Elvis did win in 1994 -- at least he won the fans and the media with his performances, but the status quo elitist fs nose-in-the-air point of view at the time apparently forced the judges to hold their noses/ hold back on giving Elvis his due, and they prematurely rewarded the classic elegance of Alexei Urmanov. Unfortunately from then on, Urmanov unofficially became the nobody, scapegoat, loser of the skating world, while unfortunately the judges tried to make up for their Olympic error in judgement by over-rewarding Elvis at the following umpteenth World championships.

    OT: Granted that Plush is a consistent jumper, amazing athlete and an often unbeatable competitor, but it's not as if he doesn't too have inconsistencies and weaknesses. Otherwise, he wouldn't be human. And that brings us back to the topic at hand...

    :lol: No one who writes about fs, not ever in a thousand years. Although, Joy Goodwin's The Second Mark, probably should have received a nomination, or at the least an honorable mention. Alas, berthesghost is on target again... When it comes to figure skating, who in the larger crazy world out there gives a rat's ass or even a "rusty hoot." TPTB in fs (much less the clueless media) certainly don't help matters. I guess it is a challenge to bring an honest vision and understanding (forget about accurate, meaningful coverage) of fs into the 21st century. It is still so trapped up and mired in the nineteenth. :lol: "Figure skating trapped betwixt and between three centuries." Aha!

    Definite understatement, and you can say that again, and again, and again ... This article is like a cartoon or a superhero fantasy. It tells us absolutelyf***in' nothin' about Patrick Chan as either a person or a figure skating athlete. The total disrespect it "flings" at Patrick's competitors is so shameful, it's laughable. I guess all the skaters who might read this craptastic baloney will as usual, shake their heads, scratch their heads, have a laugh, shake it off, ignore it in the first place and carry on with their training for Worlds and/or prep for next season.

    In the end, figure skating is truly about the skaters, the amazing dedication and hard work required of them, and about the highs and lows of competing. Their true stories are still waiting to be told. Please go away Steve Milton. Hopefully, a new generation of writers who love and breathe the sport will someday be able to write about it with honesty, accuracy, objectivity, vision, wit and wisdom, sans agonizing cliches and overdone hype. Figure skating is not your everyday big ball sport. It is athleticism, performance art, and sport with many conundrums, ironies and challenges.
     
  20. PDilemma

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    Even Phil can't write that badly. He manages to avoid the nausea inducing cliches and descriptions.

    And I don't think anyone suggested that all Canadian journalists write this badly. Although, having done college newspaper and taught journalism here and there, it seems generous to call anyone who writes in this overwrought style a journalist.
     
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  21. IceIceBaby

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    I don't consider Chan as a mentally tough competitor. He has fallen so many times in his programs. The thing is just that it doesn't matter in this current judging system.
     
  22. Zemgirl

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    Israeli sports editors have never met a pun they didn't like, but even they wouldn't go this far. Seriously, isn't there enough positive stuff to be written about Patrick Chan without resorting to this?

    But Chan is so not in Takahashi's league, IN-wise.

    Also:
    2008 podium: Buttle, Joubert, Weir.
    Olympic podium: not Buttle, Joubert or Weir.

    :huh:
     
  23. kittyjake5

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    Maybe this article is in response to the article "Takahashi Can Topple Chan, Warns Japan Skating Chief" in the K&C section.

    I could not read the entire article especially when I realized what six inches they were talking about.
     
  24. jettasian

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    So much HATE here, really. Wow, so an article can't praise Chan now? Seriously, some of your hate about Chan has no bound. Yeah, it's too bad your fave skaters can't win as many as Chan...so I guess the hate gotta be Chan, how can he keep beating out your fave skaters right?
     
  25. shan

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    I don't think everyone hates Chan, the OTT hype is :rolleyes:
     
  26. jettasian

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    Hype is generated by the media, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CHAN. Any media can write whatever they want. But as always, haters just like to find any excuse to jab at Chan any chance they get.

    The writer loves Chan's artistry, SO DO MANY OTHER PEOPLE. It's no difference than other people love Dai's artistry. Different people have different taste. So what make people who like Dai's artistry correct, but not the people who prefer Chan's artistry?

    It shows nothing but their bitterness.

    And based on last world and 4CC, Chan WAS a league on his own! His first place was so far ahead of the second place.
     
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  27. triple_toe

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    I'd like the article better if it were titled "Chan conquers hardest six inches".
     
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  28. oleada

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    Six inches? I'm not impressed...
     
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  29. aftershocks

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    ^^ :lol:

    :) I wouldn't even call it "bias" ... "drivel" might be a better descriptor. The Chanuck opinionator, Milton, writes like an uber Chan gang fan run amok. Not much of anything is showing except the opinionator's wild and clueless imagination, and his overwrought superhero fs Chanorgasm.

    Granted Phil Hersh can claim title "cream of the crap, top of the heap" when it comes to U.S. fs sports writers (but there are not a lot of sports writers "gnawing at the bit" to cover the fs beat -- there are a few U.S. sports writers who have written fairly well on occasion about fs, but the occasions are so few and far between). While Hersh often exhibits an outsize ego and is not averse to employing the odd cliches and annoying over-hyped phraseologies at times, he does at least make an effort to control himself and try to remember some fundamentals of what he might have learned about journalistic writing in general. Too often Hersh approaches writing about fs from the perspective of writing about other sports -- in that he errs and errs greatly.

    Still, despite the nationalistic tendencies of most sports writers, Chan generally seems to be written about with respect by U.S. sports writers (not that most of them know a lot about or pay much attention to fs). In contrast, Milton is way off base dumping on Chan's competitors. As far as other Canadian sports writers, I've read plenty of Canuck hype about Chan's mad SS and superhero non-gay status, not to mention the rush by many in the Canadian media to pamper Chan and take him off the backlash hook post Reuters' claptrap/ potshot/ backstabbing -- albeit Chan gave the Reuters reporter a knife and lots of ammunition.

    Question of the season, or of the Olympiad quadrennial perhaps? Will it ever be time to stop pampering and puffing Chan up? When will it be time to take off the training wheels, and allow Chan to steer by himself? With his superb SS and enviable blades, ice coverage and balance, and w/o the 20-pt handicap and holding up on PCS, he might be able to grow into a more complete skater, not to mention gain maturity through overcoming and learning from his mistakes. Being consistently rewarded when he makes mistakes is not good for Chan or the sport. Neither will it be good for Chan's own peace of mind when his fs days are behind him.

    ISU judges have proven over and over again they don't care, cuz Chan's SS and quad mastery combined have apparently blown judges' minds and taken on a life of ITS own ... no matter that IT may be eating the sport alive and a Chantastrophe may loom. Even tho' IT may be eating him alive too, Chan has nothing to do with this situation b/c he doesn't give himself scores. Just like his competitors, he can only train hard, prepare himself for competition and skate (despite in Chan's case it not mattering much how well or how poorly he skates -- and since Chan tends to skate better later in the season, the judges are quite happy cuz this makes them Chantified :D). By hook or by crook or Chantastrophe, PC will be the next Olympic champion. Figure skating Gods in the superhero Chantasy have spoken.

    jettasian, Who Me? Despite all the :drama: that Milton's "opinions" have wrought, I don't hate Patrick Chan. I do dislike the way PChid's SS have taken on a life of ITs own. No matter, Chan is simply a pawn in the oversize drama that is FS. All the skaters are pawns. They have no choice but to ignore the media, TPTB, and the judging as best they can and get on with things as best they can. The lucky ones are able to hold onto and remember the joy and love of the feeling of flight that is the reason why they learned how to skate in the first place. Some skaters receive the icing on the cake, some don't. In the end, few fans remember who won w/o looking it up. In the end, it doesn't matter who wins. It matters who a skater touched through their skating. I remember Matt Savoie's skating at the 2006 Olympics, not who won. What matters to me is how I feel when I watch the skaters who move me with their artistry, courage, grace, musicality, and their athleticism.
     
  30. IceAlisa

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    Bah. This thread isn't about what I thought it was about.