Caroline Zhang changes coaches to Peter Oppegard

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  1. Sylvia

    Sylvia Fretting that Worlds is over...

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  2. HisWeirness

    HisWeirness TAT-wannabe

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  3. Frau Muller

    Frau Muller President of Dick Button Appreciation Club

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    Wow, Gambill didn't last too long, did she? And wasn't there another short-lived coach last year, between the two tenures of Migzhu Li...Charlene Wong, I think?

    So Caroline is now one of Yu-Na Kim's training mates, which is surely a positive. I'm afraid, though, that if Caroline fails to make, say, Top 5 at Nationals, she'll bolt to yet another coach. There's an air of desperation in all of this, as if the problems are solely with the coaches and not within herself.
     
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  4. robinhood

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    training with Yu-Na will give her an indication of her shortcomings in speed and flow. more than any coach can tell her.
    I think it's a good move, if only, because of that
     
  5. kittyjake5

    kittyjake5 Well-Known Member

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    I am surprised by this news, right before Nationals too. Caroline has been spotted at Artesia quite a bit and I thought that it was a little strange. I also read that she and her family moved to be closer to her coach's training facility. Goes to show you can't believe everything you read online. lol Training with YuNa is a plus tho. IMO.
     
  6. Dragonlady

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    This is now her fourth coaching change in two seasons, albeit one change was to go back to her original coach. This does not bode well. It takes a lot longer than a few months to determine whether the change is a good one, and she's hasn't stayed with either of the other two coaches she moved to long enough to know whether it would work or not.

    While it might appear that Caroline went backwards under Tammi Gambill, realistically speaking some backwards movement is required in order to go forward. (See Mao Asada).
     
  7. Polymer Bob

    Polymer Bob New Member

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    Exactly. It's like 5 or 6 people are quoting and tweeting the IceNetwork bio with no news report.
     
  8. oleada

    oleada Well-Known Member

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    I agree, Dragonlady.

    I don't see how constant coaching changes are going to help Caroline. The technical flaws in her skating are such that they will require a lot of hard work and likely some poor results to correct. It seems Caroline and her mother are looking for a quick fix that is not going to happen. As it was, Gambill had done wonders for Caroline's 3F technique, which really speaks to her credit, IMO.
     
  9. miki88

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    Hmm. Surprising news! Although training with Yuna is a good thing, I'm not sure Peter is necessarily known as a good technical coach. Isn't that what she needs most now? Tammy may not be well-known but I heard she is good at working with the basics.
     
  10. olympic

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    I hope that she's not playing musical coaches because she got impatient with the hard work of changing technique under Tammy Gambill. Or worse, her mother got involved
     
  11. Frau Muller

    Frau Muller President of Dick Button Appreciation Club

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    BINGO! (I bet.)
     
  12. MysticHaze

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    Shades of Mira Leung.
     
  13. manleywoman

    manleywoman podcast mistress

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    See: Nicole Bobek.
     
  14. Nomad

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    I think Nicole holds the record for most coaching changes.
     
  15. museksk8r

    museksk8r Holding an edge and looking dangerously sexy

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    And to think people thought Bobek was flighty. She doesn't hold a candle to La Zhang. :rofl:
     
  16. museksk8r

    museksk8r Holding an edge and looking dangerously sexy

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    Yep. Scott Hamilton once said of Nicole Bobek's 8 coaches in 8 years something along the lines of "with so many voices wandering in your head, the question you have to ask yourself is 'who is right?'" Unfortunately for Caroline, she needs so much more skating help than Nicole ever did. If Zhang had Bobek's basic skating and presentation ability, she'd definitely be making US World teams.
     
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  17. DickButtonFan

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    I really liked Gambill, she worked miracles for Zhang! :confused:
     
  18. reese

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    Caroline and her mother run the show. Any coach is just a figurehead.
     
  19. LilJen

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    Sigh. So much for her really taking the time, knuckling down, listening to criticisms and truly fixing her faults.:duh:
     
  20. Nomad

    Nomad Well-Known Member

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    nm
     
  21. jjane45

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    Shocking news. I hope it's not solely based on a bad GP season?
     
  22. alilou

    alilou Crazy Stalker Lady

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    If this is true, it's just like Mira Leung, and we know how that ended. Sad.
     
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  23. Polymer Bob

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    It will be shocking news :eek: .......... when it actually is news.
     
  24. feraina

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    What do you base such a sweeping statement on? It takes a lot of experience and work to completely change the technique of a jump (3F). You think she and her mom figured it out themselves?
     
  25. ks777

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    that's too bad. Her new coach was doing a great job fixing her flip. Hope she keeps working on fixing her jumps.
     
  26. Jammers

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    Caroline just has to many weaknesses to be a factor at these Nationals or any others to be quite honest. Her speed is lacking and nothing about her skating stands out. Plus i hate to say it but she looks really chubby on the ice. Not sure if that's just her body type or if she can get into better shape.
     
  27. Frau Muller

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    Maybe Peter can restore The Pearl?
     
  28. Mayra

    Mayra Well-Known Member

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    :duh:

    With 3+ years until Sochi, I can't help but think it would have been better for her to just skip this season and do a complete overhaul of her skating. She's made great strides with her 3flip and with the right mindset, coaching and work ethic I think she could have pulled it off. All these coaching changes however, scream quick fix and Caroline's skating needs a lot more than a quick fix.

    Shame. IMO
     
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  29. flyingsit

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    So you really think this is fiction? Even though the tweet linked to Zhang's USFS bio, which now lists Oppegard as her coach?
     
  30. my little pony

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    yeah that sylvia is such a rabble rouser :mitchell:
     
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