Canadian Pairs 2013/2014 - News and updates

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    I hope someone tells Natasha to throw out her gum next time. ;)
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    Does anyone have a video link for Mt/M's short yesterday at slc? I tried YouTube, but didn't find anything. Thanks!
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    The new team of Tara Hancherow/Wesley Killing skated their short program at the JGP in Slovakia, and got a very respectable debut score of 46.96. That's despite a complete miss on the double axel. I suspect that jumps will be this team's weakness for a while, but their pair elements were strong for a new team. Link to their program is here. It's interesting that former French pairs skater Maximin Coia is one of their coaches, along with Annie Barabe. I had no idea he was coaching.
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    Was so impressed by the auro of pure confidence that MT/M had during the Free skate especially at SLC Competition. The short dance is obviously familiar, and they skated it with calm. I hope to see more calm and rhythmic nuance. The presentation still comes across as a bit "the same" throughout and to me, this risks being a bit boring. Even if a program is subtle, it needs a bit of shape or emotional arc - you know, beginning, middle, end - sort of thing.

    The Free skate is powerful, powerful, powerful. They seem to be in full control throughout, even with the moderate altitude. Great start of the true international season for them.
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    Hancherow/Killing's long program at the JGP in Slovakia was also quite strong for a new team. Link to their program is here. Their long program score was 76.51, with a total combined score of 123.47. As with the short program, their weakness was the jumps. The pair elements were good, especially for a new team, although some of the pair elements (such as the pairs spin) showed their lack of time together.

    AFAIK, Tara Hancherow has not been skating pairs for more than two seasons, which makes her strength on the pair elements an achievement. I think her last pair partnership was with Sebastian Wolfe. They placed 2nd in juniors at the 2011 Canadians. It's nice to see her back.

    They are also assigned to the JGP in Talinn, Estonia, in October, and their skating here justifies the second assignment, IMO.
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    I love Hancherow's knee-bend, and her posture is lovely. She was very strong in the first lift and had wonderful positions in the second.
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    Yes, I was surprised at how good their lifts were, considering that they are a new team and she has been out of pairs (AFAIK) for two seasons. For a junior level team, their lifts are very strong.
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    I really liked Hancherow and Killing and agree that their lifts and throws were very good, and she has a lovely sense of style. The problems with the jumps are a little concerning, but it seemed like they were actually capable of doings the jumps and had decent technique, it just happened that one or the other missed them in competition...but Wesley's double axel in the short was very well done, and Tara's salchow in the free was stood up and only partially underrotated. I hadn't realized that she is nearly 18, so she's unlikely to grow more, which is good.
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    Does anyone have a link to MT/M FP?
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    Thanks Daniskates93. Pretty darn good for this time of the year. IMO this is a team that has evolved beautifully and I can see them wearing medals in the near future.
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    I'm honestly not too impressed. I expected them to have some great choreography and elements. Not only do they repeat two lifts in the same program but they have done it for years - and it's not even that impressive of a lift. Maybe my expectations were too high. The jumps and throws were good but the rest was pretty boring.
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    If it ain't broke, don't fix it. This is an Olympic year, not really a year to learn new things. MT/M don't need new lifts right now. Lifting is a big strength of theirs, they do things that other teams cannot do, and they regularly score high on them. They learned a new position for their final lift last year, and I'm guessing they will have it back in for the Grand Prix? Overall, I like this free skate for them. The camera angle wasn't good for it, but that transition into the throw 3 sal is quite eye-catching and beautiful in their video from Skate Detroit.

    This team has made huge strides since 2010 and I think they're exciting. I don't know if I would call them consistent yet, but boy are they athletically gifted and make highly technically demanding programs look easy sometimes.
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    julieann, why were your expectations so high? I mean, I enjoyed their LP last season, but it wasn't that greatly choreographed - the elements were well spaced (important to note) and the music was powerful so that it had that gorgeous climactic crescendo. This LP seems to be a bit more subtle and character oriented, and I don't know if they can pull it off. But I love how the first lift matches the music. I'm just delighted they look so strong now. They looked this strong at the beginning of last season and we know they ended that season quite well. And I'm still floored at how much they've improved.

    I did think that transition into that throw Salchow was crazy hard and quite beautiful.
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    I agree with you about their improvement.
    When they came onto the skating scene and wowed us all they were still diamonds in the rough. Now they are pure diamonds.
    Its great we have two pairs teams that are so very different. I think this program could mesmerize as it grows.

    I love their signature lift and its a great feat as well.

    Kirsten is looking lovely and so well trained.
    I am looking and hoping for them to medal on the world stage if not this year then maybe next year.
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    Totally agree with all of this. I love the emotion in their skating, combined with the power. They'll be world medallists sometime soon.
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    With last year’s free skate, the music allowed their program to have peaks and valleys to make it interesting and hold your attention. The music this season has none of that so the program seems to slog along and get boring half way through. They have great speed, jumps and throws but the spins are way too fast and not only do they get off unison but the positions are ugly in particular in the leg hold. The death spiral needs major work and doing two of the same lifts in one program (especially one they’ve used previously) seems juniorish. One lift he picks her up and with her in the same position lugs her around the ice, rounds the corner only to have both of them hit poses. Her leg bends and his leg come off the ice, it’s labored and awkward. They have a 1/5 chance of a bronze medal, I just hope they bring the emotion as the season progresses. D/R have a much better program at this point.

    They looked strong at the beginning of last season because their season before ended in January with a 4th place at Nationals so they had more time to concentrate on the next season.

    I understand not a lot of chances will be taken in an Olympic year and most will pay it safe, but to get ahead you have to take chances. That is why I think they may have a hard time beating D/R and certainly won’t get any higher placement unless a team has an epic fail or most top teams retire.

    Also, I have never seen a team come off a top 8 or 10 at worlds and look bad 3 months later unless they are injured. Getting used to choreography takes some time, timing and unison and such but the rest will still be there.
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    V/T haven't taken chances. T/M took their biggest chance with "Cotton Club," and lost any chance of a WC title in 2003 due to the loss of speed to perform the intricate program. After that, their free skates were formulaic, but ones they could perform consistently and with speed. (From 2003 I loved them and could watch them skate in unison forever, so the content didn't bother me.) B/L haven't taken chances, Pang/Tong were never ground-breaking, and for that matter, neither were the Zhangs or Shen/Zhao.

    Among the competitive current Pairs, I think only S/S, K/S, and D/R have taken many chances.
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  22. Emdee

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    Its best that they dont peak too soon and slowly grow into their programs so they peak best at Nats and Olys.
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    Thanks so much for the link.

    Their technical elements are amazingly strong for this time of year and I love that they're consistently successful with their jumps and throws. I think it's a wise choice for them to go for a mood piece similar to last year because the judges really liked that. I noticed a bit of a disconnect between the music and the choreography, but I fully expect expression and interpretation to be there by Canadians. Regarding lifts, don't all teams stick with their signature lifts - usually what's successful? I'm not crazy about the death spiral - Duhamel does the same one and it's equally ugly, but I'm guessing it gets them points.
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    Any reports on the pairs entered in the Isabelle Henderson competition this weekend?
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    I only know novice results. 1st Wong/Su
    2nd Eby/Varley
    3rd Glenn/Stock

    No idea about scores, just saw a podium shot.
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    Skating Lesson interview with Kirsten Moore-Towers and Dylan Moscovitch
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    Caitlin Fields/Sebastian Arcieri are no longer listed for the Ostrava JGP and won't be replaced.
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    :( Any idea why? I hope not injury. Canada sure left a lot of entries in JGP Jr pairs on the table this year!
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  29. geoskate

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    Videos of Purich/Tran from Nebelhorn:

    Short program
    Long program

    The programs are enjoyable, if you ignore the negative commentary of the Eurosport commentator during the long program. IMO they did reasonably well for the length of time they've been skating together. It seems as if the commentator was expecting instant success.

    They've clearly done more work on the short program to date than on the long program (and had also shown shown the short program in competition, at the Quebec Summer Championships). The long program still requires work, but they have time. This was the first time they had skated the long program in competition. They will be skating it again at the Souvenir Georges-Ethier competition next weekend.

    Their short program score was 56.71, and their long program score was 99.44, for a total of 156.15 and 6th place. That is within two points of Lawrence/Swiegers at the Salt Lake City competition, so it looks as if there is potentially the making of a good rivalry at Canadians for the third Olympic spot (not forgetting Purdy/Marinaro also, of course).

    Their whole commentary is rather strange at the beginning of the short program. Why wouldn't Mervin compete for Canada, since he is Canadian? The somewhat unusual part was competing for Japan.
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    Wouldn't it be nice if a pair or dance team could each represent the actual country they are from? Mervin and Narumi were so beautiful together, so it really is a shame that citizenship issues caused the demise of the team. I haven't listened to the commentary but I would guess that most people are just mourning the loss of this gorgeous team.
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    I heard that commentary at the end of their program, since I just came to the live feed when they were almost done, and I thought they must have skated really badly.. however, when I went back and watched the entire program it I found that they had actually done okay. I agree that the comments were a bit too negative for what was put out there.
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    Seguin/Bilodeau finished fourth at the JGP in Ostrava, Czech Republic. Both their short and long programs were significantly better skated here than in Belarus (scores short program 50.50 vs. 47.96 in Belarus, and long program 90.68 vs 79.46 in Belarus). Good for them.

    Their short program is here, and the free program is here. Charlie's fall on the double axel sequence in the long program likely cost them the bronze medal.

    IMO she's a significantly better performer than he is at this point; he has some work to do. However, they are coming along well.
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    Just watched Duhamel & Radford debut their "Alice in Wonderland" freeskate at Georges Ethier and I really, really like it. Well from what I could tell from the blurry feed. Skated pretty well too, except for both missing the sbs triple sals. Going to be interesting to see how the program develops as the season goes on.
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    I absolutely loved it too myself. There is so much good within that program already and it's only October. They did both mess the triple sal (but apparently it was a curse today too, Purich and Tran missed it badly as well) but everything else was pretty much bang on. It really is built for them in terms of building throughout the program to a climax. If they skate it to it's full potential, anything could happen in Sochi. There is just so much to like. I think these are the two best programs they've ever done.
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    but their side by side triple lutz were amazing.. what a great program.. it will be a tough year for the Canadian pairs not sure which one will be on top as much closer than other years but either way will have a great Olympic team.. can't wait for Ottawa :)
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    Their program is a great contrast to the short program - totally different styles. While I was watching it, I kept thinking, 'Is this choreographed by Ingo Steuer?". It isn't, of course, but it looks like one of the avant-garde programs he would put out for Savchenko/Szolkowy.

    Their height has improved on the triiple twist and also on both the throws.
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    Wow love love love it! Can't wait to see it live at Skate Canada in a couple weeks :)
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    Purich/Tran's program is here. As mentioned above, they had trouble on the 3S and she also fell on the throw 3Lz. For some reason, the pair spin near the end was not counted, costing them about 5 points (Protocols). Can anyone explain what they did incorrectly? It looked fine to me.

    Interestingly, they received PCS scores at this competition that were 4 points lower than what they received from international judges at Nebelhorn last week. Usually it's the other way around, with international judges marking lower than domestic judges. Having watched both programs, I'm not sure that the lower PCS scores were justified.