Canadian Pairs 2013/2014 - News and updates

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Cant Skate, Jan 31, 2013.

  1. The Observer

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    Yes, I was told the exact same thing by a friend of that pairs team. That was a decade ago. They actually won the Canadian title the year after the move!

    I also agree that it appears the move Sale & Pelletier made from Gauthier to Ullmark was less about a problem with Gauthier and more about the need to get Jamie back to her comfort zone in her home province in the year before the Olympics. Sale also had difficulty learning French in Quebec and so there were several reasons David agreed with her that she'd feel more comfortable back at her home base in Alberta.
     
  2. NorthernDancers

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    Exactly. Something about what the Wirtz's are doing is working, since they had 3 of the 7 teams at Senior. 2 teams were from Montreal, 1 team from Strathroy/London, and 1 team from the West. One of the Wirtz teams also went to Junior Worlds. There are choices. If things are really horrible, why would teams stay, never mind thrive? MT/M have a fun, joyful vibe about them. I also think MT looks very healthy and strong, and Jones looks a whole lot better since going back to KW.
     
  3. 4rkidz

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    I think certain skaters respond to certain types of coaches and the key is finding a good fit.. as it would appear that many teams strive at KW and many teams strive at other places. I think it must be hard for coaches to have to change their personality so would think it would be key for parents to look closely at not just the facilities and coaching but the personalities. Some of the kids I have worked with don't respond very well to strict coaching regiments yet others thrive in that environment. Not an easy task for parents I'm sure..
     
  4. yfbg722

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    Things often look better from the outside. There have been a few promising teams split and good skaters depart from the Wirtz camp too. Some have left the sport altogether. Good skaters don't do that for no reason. I can't imagine that Jones was too happy about being beat by Rau this year. I'm not sure that demonstrates her thriving. To the contrary, it seems she's being passed by.

    MT/M haven't been able to recapture the title since winning it the year Dube/Davison were injured so I'd say Gauthier is doing something right. He's had more high level success than any pairs coach in Canada the last few years, between Duhamel/Radford and Takahashi/Tran. I like the looks of Grenier/Deschamps too. Aren't they from the same school?

    As for choices, sometimes in the pairs world those are very limited. It's already an expensive sport so sometimes relocation is prohibitive. Sometimes having a partner dictates where you skate. And sometimes people look past things they shouldn't in the quest for success.
     
  5. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to Nationals!

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    Yes, they are coached by Gauthier and Bruno Marcotte. An article and an interview after they won the 2014 Junior title:

    http://www.skatecanada.ca/AboutUs/NewsDetails/tabid/2157/sni[2797]/3193/language/en-US/Default.aspx

    http://skateguard1.blogspot.com/2014/01/interview-with-vanessa-grenier-and.html

    ETA that I've posted a Grenier/Deschamps update in the 2014/15 Canadian Pairs news thread: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?92147-Canadian-Pairs-2014-2015&p=4245424#post4245424
     
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  6. The Observer

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    And before the success of Duhamel/Radford, Gauthier helped Marcoux & Buntin become Canadian champions several times, as well as coaching other fairly successful pairs like Duhamel & Buntin and Wakamatsu & Fecteau. And of course most famously, Gauthier was the coach who helped Sale & Pelletier break out to become the top pair in the World (even though they spent their final season with Ullmark).
     
  7. 4rkidz

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    Grenier/Deschamps are my new favourite team - I LOVED them at Canadians and she was actually one of my junior fav's such a little power house! I love athletic style pairs with lots of speed - does anyone (Sylvia) know if they will qualify for any senior grand prix spots at all?
     
  8. Sylvia

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    4rkidz, I've copied your above post and replied in the 2014/15 Canadian Pairs news thread: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/sho...rs-2014-2015&p=4246110&viewfull=1#post4246110

    Renata Wong (age 14) & Henry Su (age 20) withdrew from the Novice Pairs event at 2014 Canadians - re-posting this article titled "Simcoe figure skater Henry Su moves on": http://www.simcoereformer.ca/2014/04/06/simcoe-figure-skater-henry-su-moves-on
     
  9. Sylvia

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    I didn't see this April 2nd Sudbury Star article posted in this thread: Duhamel far from ready to hang up skates
    (This is more of an end-of-season article so I decided to post it here rather than the new 2014/15 thread.)
     
  10. manhn

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    I love Duhamel. She is my kind of crazy. Looking forward to seeing her and Eric in Kelowna!
     
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  11. NorthernDancers

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    I don't think any rink is perfect. People leave the sport for all sorts of reasons, and teams split up for all sorts of reasons. MT/M have been awfully close to winning back a Canadian title, and they've beat D/R a couple of times internationally. They have room to improve, but so do D/R. I don't think Jones should be disappointed at their Nationals finish. It's amazing they were able to get something together so quickly to even skate so respectably. Did they not start skating together until the Fall? And she looked much healthier (read less thin and more fit) than before and with improved posture. If KW is the most expensive place to skate in Ontario, you'd think the choice to leave wouldn't be difficult. Certainly, in today's more enlightened world, if untoward things were going on, I don't imagine parents would put up with it.

    This doesn't undermine what Gauthier is doing. He clearly also has a strong rink with known success. I think it's more like 4rkidz said. It's different strokes for different folks. And we are very fortunate in Canada to have 2 such strong rinks. I wish we had more. I'm looking forward to seeing what Langois/Hay are going to do out West. Like Wing/Lowe in dance, they are expanding the choices.
     
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  12. spikydurian

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    She comes across as someone who knows what she wants. Happy that D&R are not hanging up their skates soon. I love their short program.
     
  13. million$momma

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    I just heard that they are done.
     
  14. Cant Skate

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    Well if its true, I wish I could say I didn't see it coming :( Too bad though... This should probably be in the new Canadian Pairs 2014/2015 thread.
     
  15. blue_idealist

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    I guess Purdy is too tall for Tran, too? IIRC, he's shorter than Marinaro.
     
  16. The Observer

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    But with Purich & Tran splitting, and Lawrence & Swiegers possibly considering retirement, why would Purdy & Marinaro split now? They have a chance at the Canadian podium next year.
     
  17. The Observer

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    But was height the main issue for P&M, or was it a personality conflict that arose?

    To answer the height question, I clicked on their ISU bios:

    http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00012162.htm

    Margaret P. is about 5' 5½" and Michael M. is about 5'11.


    Mervin Tran is about 5'9, so yes he is definitely shorter than Michael Marinaro.

    http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00054367.htm
     
  18. alilou

    alilou Crazy Stalker Lady

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    I just watched P&M's Skate Canada LP (or was it SA - can't remember. Just catching up on the whole season). Anyway I was quite afraid for them during the lifts - she is way to big/tall for him now. It reminded me of when Dylan was still skating with his sister. And I suspect Marinaro doesn't have Dylan's strength which is legendary (or even perhaps Dylan's very very excellent blade work that keeps the lifts stable).
     
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  19. The Observer

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    I wonder what happened over the past month to change this?
     
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  21. blue_idealist

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    I don't know if there was a personality conflict, but people have been talking about their too-close heights all season.
     
  22. The Observer

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    Indeed. And maybe they decided it was too much. Margaret is one of the tallest pairs girls I've seen. She is 5'5 or 5'6. Valerie Saurette was also about that height, but her partner Jean-Sebastien Fecteau was 6'1, and so there was at least some height difference despite her being taller than average. Marinaro is about 5'11, and so he doesn't have as big a height difference as Fecteau did.

    Unfortunately for Margaret, she is so tall that there may not be a guy tall enough for her. I don't know whether she will consider switching to singles instead.