Canadian Men other than Chan

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  1. mag

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    There seems to be a secondary discussion happening in the GP Selection thread about the Canadian men. More specifically, which men, other than Chan, will be the front runners for World 2012 and Sochi.

    It has been suggested that five are the front runners. What do you all think?

    Kevin Reynolds - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEQ2BlB_EK8

    Jeremy Ten - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb5cWahmJZA

    E Balde - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=NbtzDJ8XUbw (Skate Canada, prior to coaching change?)

    Andrei Rogozine - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H2qbRZNAP4

    Liam Firus - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKDTuXGoHfg
  2. blue_idealist

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    Reynolds, obviously, because he's been the top guy out of those five since Vancouver.

    I would agree with the other choices. I can't think of anyone else who might surpass either of the other four by Sochi. I have a feeling Rogozine might be Guy #3 on the Canadian team in 2014. Balde's rather unrefined, and I don't think Ten and Firus are strong/consistent enough jumpers. Ten especially has struggled with inconsistency. I know he had an injury though.
  3. essence_of_soy

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    Firus looked great in Brisbane last year.

    He has a very smooth style similar to Browning and Chan.
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    This thread makes me miss Shawn Sawyer. He wuzrobbed of a spot for Vancouver and if he kept up his improvement on the lutz and axel he could very well make Sochi too. :(
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  5. mag

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    Yes, I like the way he moves. His choreography is also very good. I think he needs to project a bit more to the audience, but I think that will come with a bit more senior experience. I'm not sure who he is working with in Colorado, but I hope it is Christy Krall and she able to help him get the axel and maybe a quad under control.
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    I love Shawn Sawyer and Jeremy Ten, how they can merge performance into their programs! Don't forget Emmanuel Sandhu! Is he coming back?
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    I love Jeremy Ten, he's so pretty out there. He needs to get his jumps in order, no doubt, but he could definitely hold his own once he does. I think it's impressive what he managed to do after an injury!

    Reynolds is a lot of fun to watch as well. I liked his SP last season.
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    I would bet good money that Sandhu is not coming back. He was registered for BC/YT Sections last fall and withdrew. I believe he is skating in some shows, and I don't think competition is his focus.
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    Kevin Reynolds - as long as he stays healthy and continues to improve on his artistry, he's a lock for the #2 spot in Sochi

    Jeremy Ten - great style and line ... coming back from a series of injuries is tough, and once his jumps are better trained and more consistent, he may be a contender for a spot in Sochi (if there is a 3rd spot). He always has a strong support from Skate Canada, even with less-than-stellar performances (i.e. this years' Nationals). Needs to get a consistent 3 axel for sure!

    E Balde - great presence, but I find his style a bit sloppy. Training in Detroit immersed in a competitive environment is a huge step in the right direction. With a bit more international experience, I can see him doing well and possibly making it to Worlds/Sochi.

    Andrei Rogozine - really struggling to make a name for himself on the Senior stage, but definitely has the arsenal of jumps to be competitive. I don't like his style at all ... definitely needs some refinement.

    Liam Firus - very similar to Chan in terms of style, speed, carriage and overall skating skills ... lacks the technical difficulty needed to be competitive currently.

    There's also Nam Nguyen, who I believe will be age eligible for 2014. It's hard to say at this point what he is capable of in the future, but what he's got going for him now at the age of 13 is extraordinary.
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    Right now, Reynolds is as close to a lock as can be, unless one of the other guys shows some drastic improvement (which is not impossible). Over the past couple of years, Kevin has been getting better. I admire how hard he's been working.

    I'm not convinced Ten is the real deal. Beautiful skater, yes, but he's wildly inconsistent and was even before his injury, which doesn't give me confidence he'll ever find consistency. IMHO, he's a longshot for Sochi.

    Balde is interesting... he has the goods and is a real showman. I think he could be the third man (or even the second) if the coaching change works out. Huge potential.

    I like Rogozine. I posted in another thread that although he's unrefined, with good programs and solid coaching, he could pull it together.

    Firus is the dark horse. His jumps are consistent and beautiful, and his skating skills are superb, but he really needs to up the difficulty to have any real shot at advancing. Definitely possible for the long-term, but I don't see him being a factor into 2014.

    Fsfan22, I like Nguyen too. He is extraordinary but a lot will depend on how much he grows and how much his body changes.
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  11. mag

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    Nam's parents are quite small so I don't see a huge growth spurt in his future. He will get bigger, but he will still be small. I can't remember when his birthday is, but if he is only 13 then he won't be old enough. I think he may have turned 14 this spring which means he will be 15 by July 1, 2013.

    I suspect his goals are more towards 2018, but Mitchell Gordon, the reigning Jr. Men's champ is also a beautiful skater. I know he lands up to 3 lutz but I'm not sure where he is on a 3A or a quad.
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    Glad to see this thread, the topic was getting lost in the GP thread.

    I won't repeat my preference for Canada's #3. Let's just say he has a very short step to take to arrive on the podium at 2013 Nats.
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    :cheer2:

    Mitchell Gordon has fabulous basics and was outstanding at nationals in Moncton. He reminds me a lot of Liam Firus. I believe he's only 15, so he has time to add on some difficulty.
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    I agree.
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    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    And I love the reaction of his coach.
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    I wish he would come back to competition lol. I also wish worlds hadn't had to be postponed last year so he could have competed in worlds and done CSOI.
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    I am sooo impressed. What a lovely skate. Excited to see him develop the 3A (will we see it this year, wonder?)
  20. JasperBoy

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    Yes. in Moncton I was sitting in the row right behind the coaches. Keegan and his mother were beside themselves when Mitchell skated so well. When it was announced that Mitchell had won gold I thought Keegan would launch himself onto the ice. I tried to take a photo but he just wouldn't keep still!

    It was wonderful to see such enthusiasm in a skater, and his team, at the beginning of his career. I wish every good thing for Mitchell in the future.
  21. PeterG

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    I so hope Jeremy Ten remains healthy/injury-free. He's a treasure! :respec:

    The BC/YT SummerSkate is happening this weekend at Burnaby's 8 Rinks. Apparently Emmanuel is not on the list of skaters. So I refuse to go! :mad:
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    :cheer: Looking forward to their skates. They all have something to offer and if keep improving and overcome their weakness (if any), they have a chance to podium. Go Canadian guys go!
    Will be keeping an eye on the upcoming young cuties ... Nam, Liam and Andrei. :)
  23. Sylvia

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    Some videos from BC SummerSkate this past weekend...

    Kevin Reynolds' 1st place SP (last season's music; his 4Lo was called underrotated <): http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/24760983
    Kevin Reynolds' 1st place FS (choreographed by Kenji Miyamoto): http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/24786867
    Jeremy Ten's 2nd place FS (last season's music to Il Postino soundtrack): http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/24786600
    Liam Firus' 2nd place SP: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/24760537

    Mitchell Gordon's Junior SP: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/24759572
    Mitchell Gordon's Junior FS: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/24785878
    He is assigned to JGP #3 in Linz, Austria - ETA link to his ISU bio with updated program music (explains his blue jeans in his FS ;)): http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00013689.htm
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    According to the protocols from BC Summerskate, Mitchell did a 2A in the SP and a 3A in the FS, where he had a faulty landing, and netted -.33 in GOE, not bad for an early season attempt in competition. I haven't been following his skating, but it sounds like from other post that this might have been his first.
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    I believe it was his first attempt in competition. It seems like a smart move to try it out in the FS where a fall isn't as costly. It will be interesting to see if he replaces the 2A in short by Nationals. I'm assuming because he is the reigning Jr. National Champ that he will have to skate Senior this year at Nationals. I wonder how he will stack up against Firus and Nam? Firus and Mitchell have similar styles but it looks like Mitchell is slightly ahead in the 3A department. I'm fairly sure he will be gunning for a Jr. Worlds spot this year.
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    Mitchell's speed and height on jumps looks pretty great. I'm definitely piqued.
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    I think that's why Mitchell got two 0's and two -1's on the 3A: the height compensated enough for the landing that he lost less than half a point on the 8.5 base.
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    He is also quite young. Entering grade 11 I believe, so he has a bit of time to get that 3A consistent and work on a quad.
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    He's going to be a very handsome dude when he's older, too.
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    Just bumping this thread up to say that Mitchell placed first at the BC/YT Sectionals last weekend ahead of Jeremy Ten. Ten won the short but Mitchell came back strong in the long landing the only 3A of the night. Ten popped his first attempt and fell on his second. Rumor has it that Mitchell also landed a fabulous 3A on his first try at an earlier practice. It will be interesting to see how he performs at Challenge and whether or not the 3A goes into his short by Nationals.
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    That's good news for Mitchell. Watched his vid, and like his skating.
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    Balde is my favourite male singles skater. I just love him. I think his coaching move was the smartest thing he could have done and I wish him so much luck going into his next few competitions. I would be beyond thrilled if he made it to Sochi.
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    He was wonderful to watch at skate canada and such a personality off the ice!
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    I like Balde too. The coaching change was really smart and I hope he continues to improve. Really hoping he makes the world team this season.
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    I haven't seen him live yet but I really really want to! :D
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    I was disappointed with Balde's low scores at Skate Canada. He's fun to watch.
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    I'm going to put my money on Rogozine to make the world team although he does need power and refinement. Landed a quad in the short at sectionals. He is our version of Nagasu who can land jumps but pull low marks because the judges are crapping all over technique.

    I LOOOOOOOVE Firus. The only other skater from any country other than Chan that makes my pulse pound just skating around the ice. Patrick Chan in an Elvis Stojko body *sigh* He needs time. I hope he gets there.

    Balde is our Candeloro. Crazy hair and loves to skate and has charisma. But I'm not sold. He skates like he's 20 lbs overweight and has only ok body line. He has a shot at the world team but I'm going with Andrei.

    Ten is awesome to watch but the last few years troubles have effectively ended his run. He's done.

    Reynolds is our #2.

    Gordon and Sadovsky are going to be very much worth watching. I HATE Gordon's long to Neil Diamond. He looks awkward skating to it like his parents are punishing him for misbehaving by giving him this program.
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    At this point, Rogozine is pretty much guaranteed to be on the World team, as he's the only guy other than Reynolds and Chan to meet the minimum TES requirements in both programs. Balde has met the SP minimum, but not the FP minimum, so he'd need to get the FP score at 4CC if he were to do well enough at Nationals to be Skate Canada's preferred choice for Worlds. He missed the FP minimum at Skate Canada by just over 2 points with a very solid skate, so he would really need to be lights out to get the minimum.
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    I wish we could free Ten. If he could go to someone like Frank Carroll I think he would be a force. He has world class written all over him when he takes to the ice. He just doesn't seem to have any confidence left when it comes to the jumps.