Canadian ladies über thread!

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by danafan, Mar 18, 2013.

  1. halffull

    halffull The most wonderful time of the year :)

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    I much prefer Sandrine's elegant, smooth style to some of the other young Canadian ladies. I think she has a really bright future :)
     
  2. danafan

    danafan Canadian ladies über

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    It's great to read so many positive comments about Martin, here and in the kissncry forum. When I watched her skate, I did a double take on the popped combo and I thought uh oh she's gonna plummet in the standings. So I looked at her score and then realised the judges must have really liked her! She could have been near 50 points with a clean combo. If she skates well today I hope she'll get a second assignment.

    Séguin is in medal contention too. She has a lot of technical content planned for the free so I hope she holds on to at least third.
     
  3. Erin

    Erin Well-Known Member

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    I liked Martin a lot too and am impressed with how well she scored given the miss on the combo. But I think the chances of a second assignment are pretty slim. The only open assignments are for Estonia and she is not listed as an alternate for any of the others, so she can't be substituted in for anyone else. I'd be completely shocked if Daleman doesn't get one of the Estonia spots, which only leaves one other spot available. My guess is that the last spot will go to someone who doesn't have one yet. And since Martin is unlikely to be a contender for the JGPF, I think that's all right.

    Skate Canada's strategy this season for the JGP spots seems to have been to give two assignments to the ladies with a decent shot at qualifying for the JGPF (Daleman, Seguin, Chartrand) and then spread the wealth with the rest of the assignments to give experience to as many as possible. And I agree with the strategy. I would say that aside from (1) giving up a spot in the first JGP and (2) the strange snubbing of Marika Steward I mentioned up thread, Skate Canada has done a good job of giving assignments to ladies who have earned them by going out and skating well in summer competitions. I'm also encouraged by Mallet's assignments to Nebelhorn and Skate Canada. I've been pretty critical of Skate Canada in the past, so it's nice to be more positive for once. And it's so exciting to see just how many talented young juniors are coming out of Canada given how bleak things looked just a couple of seasons ago (2011 Jr Worlds with Najarro failing to qualify for the free program and Grenier not even making the SP is probably an all-time low).
     
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  4. Marco

    Marco Missing Ziggy

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    Except, why hold back your #2 and 3 in juniors when they could have senior opportunities? They both skated decently at Jr Worlds last season and are bigger contenders for the second Olympic spot than say Mallet, or dare I say, even Lacoste.
     
  5. mag

    mag Well-Known Member

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    I agree they are the top contenders for the 2nd spot; however, I don't think doing the JGP is holding them back. They should both do quite well and have a better chance of gaining valuable points and experience for next year. Hopefully one or both will also get 4CC's.
     
  6. nadioso

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    A question about Seguin.

    With her finishing 6th in Mexico it looks like she is out of the running for the JGPF in ladies. With that, she must skate the ladies challenge according to Skate Canada rules. Daleman and Chartrand have direct byes to nationals because they medalled at the last nationals unlike Seguin. The only 3 ways of getting a bye to nationals is medalling at the last one, having a SENIOR GP assignment or making the JGPF.


    Skate Canada rules state that you can't use a bye properly earned in one discipline to secure a bye in another


    The thing is the challenge takes place at the same time as the JGPF. So if Seguin makes the JGPF in pairs, will that take her out of the ladies competition at nationals ? It would be a big loss for the ladies competition as she has a realistic chance at an Olympic spot ( not the favourite in my opinion but a decent shot )
     
  7. danafan

    danafan Canadian ladies über

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    In the 2007-2008 season, Vanessa Crone and Paul Poirier were given byes to nationals in junior singles because they were skating at the JGPF in ice dance during the challenge competition.

    I would be shocked if Séguin did not get a bye in singles if she makes JGPF in pairs.
     
  8. nadioso

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    Someone told me they changed the rules a couple years ago to prevent those situtations. The rules I mentioned came after the year you mentioned. I think the rule was with those 2 ( and Jessica Dube at the time ) as well in mind. In the case of Vanessa Crone especially she was a very marginal singles skater ( had no consistent triples at all ). I know that Asher Hill also used it for junior men as well.

    I am also reasonably sure that Seguin will compete at nationals in ladies as well. I am sure the spirit of the law was to prevent a skater who is strong in one discipline to use their national bye to avoid having to qualify in another when they are marginal skaters in the other discipline. Seguin was not who they had in mind when they added this clause.
     
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  9. mag

    mag Well-Known Member

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    I remember a change as well. It is important to remember, in Canada the byes take the place of a skater who earns their way through challenge. They are not in addition to the challenge skaters so not allowing byes earned in another discipline makes sense.
     
  10. geoskate

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    This post is not really a Canadian ubers item, but worth noting in this thread. Christina Yan is skating for China. Good for her. With the way that Canadian women are skating right now, she wouldn't have had a chance for a JGP assignment this year, or pobably not even next year if the talent keeps developing.

    Here's the link to JGP assignments for this year, and . . . there she is, under the Chinese skaters. She is currently assigned to the JGP in Gdansk, Poland, Sept 18-22.
     
  11. FunnyBut

    FunnyBut Well-Known Member

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    :lynch: This imagery is so vivid. I just had to quote it. :rofl:
    Poor LaCoste. Poor Leonova. Perhaps I should visit this Canadian Ladies thread more often.
     
  12. leapfrogonice

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    Doesn't JGPF almost always coincide with Nationals qualifier?
     
  13. nadioso

    nadioso Member

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    Yep . It is pretty much always on the same weekend as the JGPF.
     
  14. VarBar

    VarBar Well-Known Member

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    Lacoste has a wonderful LP this season, I liked it better than the programs of all the other ladies I saw at US Figure Skating Classic. Who is Amélie's choreographer?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttPFlBmJKFE

    I'll keep my fingers crossed for her that she can get her act together on the jumps and qualify for the Olympics. The younger ones can wait.:p
     
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  15. clarie

    clarie Well-Known Member

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    Yes, that is a beautiful program.........fingers X'd for her too. I hope she does better this year and starts nailing those jumps.
     
  16. ltnskater

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    It was choreographed by Shae-Lynn Bourne according to the Skate Canada News article.
     
  17. halffull

    halffull The most wonderful time of the year :)

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    I've never been much of an Amelie fan but I like this program. Shae-Lynn did a nice job. I also like the dress (although the skirt is a bit long). I really wish Amelie would go back to a more natural hair colour.
     
  18. artsciboy

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    Agreed - Lacoste has become quite an artist on the ice. She has such a command on the ice that Daleman, Chartrand, Seguin don't have. She just needs those jumps.
     
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  19. icellist

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    amelie for amelie. so fitting

    i love both her lp this season. i hope she can show the young canadian ladies actual artistry while showing that she can keep up technically. Rooting for her to get one of the Olympic spots. she's been a canadian staple the last 2 quadrennials, going to be at 5 SC this season. did anyone notice her planned content? i know it was just "planned", but she was going to try a 3S-3L.
     
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  20. ltnskater

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    I also love her long program this year, it is simply the technical side holding her back. Do you mean 3Lo-3Lo combo in the short? I doubt she would do 3S-3Lo in the long for 2 reasons:

    1. 3Lo is one of her more consistent jumps, but can easily be counted as underrotated/downgrade on the 2nd half of a combo, so rather than putting one in the back end of a combo, it's better to do 2 3Lo (one being the first jump of a combination).

    2. She doesn't have consistent enough triples to make going for a triple-triple combo in the long worth it. The only reason for a triple-triple/2A-triple combo for the long is to open up another jump window to get 7 triples in. I think the best plan for her is to repeat the 3Lo and 3S which takes up 4 jumping passes, along with a 3F, 3Lz, 2A-2A seq if she wants to keep the 3Lz in. If I were her, I would take out the 3Lz, do a 2A+2T combo and a solo 2A.
     
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  21. geoskate

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    I don't think I would ever describe Gabrielle Daleman as lacking command on the ice. For that matter I wouldn't describe Julianne Seguin in that way either.

    Back to Amelie, I also really like Amelie's program. It's perfect for her style of skating. She clearly loves the program, too, which is a big plus.

    On an unrelated note, the two skaters at the Slovakia JGP had a bit of trouble. Marianne Rioux/Ouellet had a total score of 117.20 (vs. 139.65 at the Quebec Summer competition), and finished in 14th. She's listed as an alternate for the JGP in Estonia, but is unlikely to be sent after this result. Roxanne Cournoyer had a total score of 102.73 (vs. 115.65 at Quebec Summer and 120.85 at Liberty), and finished in 20th place. This was her only JGP assignment, so her next competition will be Souvenir Georges-Ethier. Scores for the JGP competition are here.

    Their skates at the Quebec Summer competition were better, and worth watching in preference to their skates here. For Roxanne, I think this was her first internation competition. This was Marianne's first JGP assignment, but she also skated at the Lombardia Trophy last season, where she did very well.
     
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  22. VarBar

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    Thanks, ltnskater. Shae-Lynn did a terrific job for Lacoste. Love her choreo to death.:swoon:
    I know some of the younger Canadian lady skaters can do more difficult jumps and are a little faster over the ice than Amelie but presentation wise, none of Daleman, Chartrand or Seguin is Olympic material - yet. By contrast, Lacoste is. Go Amélie.:kickass:
     
  23. all_empty

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    I wrote about this in a prior thread and agree.

    Amelie should repeat the 3Lo (which she did in Salt Lake) and the 3S, train either the 3Lz or 3F (I'd say the latter, as she had some success with it) and do two 2As.

    This program, which is my favorite of the season so far, could score well with 5 clean triples because I think the choreography is brilliant and the jumps are backloaded. She seems to enjoy performing it as well.

    Amelie needs to also maximize the levels on her spins ... I didn't look at the protocol but the layback could gain a level, I believe.
     
  24. artsciboy

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    Rather than doing two 2axels, I think she should bring back her 3toe. Its a beautiful jump for her (when she lands it). But definitely agree about her training either the 3lutz or the 3flip - probably the latter, since she doesn't get an edge call on it.
     
  25. icellist

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    The protocols on icenetwork have the skater's planned content. Amelie was planning on

    3L-2L
    3S-3L
    3Lz
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    3S-2L-2L

    In the competition, she probably accidentally added the 2L to her lutz and didn't repeat her salchow so she wouldnt have zayak'd. The loop is her money jump and she's bringing back her toe. Can someone determine her base value? I think the flip and after is the second half of the program with the bonus.
     
  26. all_empty

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    That's closer in line to her jump layout over the summer, where she missed every toe jump. It's overly ambitious and if she ever lands all of these in one program -- I'll even settle without the triple-triple -- I'll eat my words.

    But even in SLC, the Lutz was the second jumping pass.

    I think her strategy should be go clean with jumps she knows she can land (the 3Lo and 3S) and really master that 3F, then maybe the 3T. Is there not a jump specialist in Canada that can help her? Her picking technique has been all over the place (literally) her entire senior career.
     
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  27. Marco

    Marco Missing Ziggy

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    Lacoste's long program is very elegant.

    However, to be competitive with the young jumping beans (and two of them ranked above her at Nationals last season), she needs to max out her point potential and not waste jumping passes on jumps she knows she can't do / will pop more often than not. She needs to take the Phaneuf route.

    Short program (in her own order): 3loop3loop, 3sal, 2axel

    Long program (in her own order): 3loop2loop, 3loop, 3sal2loop2loop, 3sal, 3lutz OR 3flip whichever is more happening for her, 3toe, 2axel - 2axel sequence

    She should forget about doing both lutz and flip when she is able to land both only once in a blue moon. She should go conservative, do her 'clean' 5 triple long with 2 2axels, hopefully score big on PCS, and wait for the jumping beans to mess up their tricks. That to me is her only way to go to Sochi. She doesn't quite have it in her to out jump her competiters or even up the ante for herself.
     
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  28. nadioso

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    Agree with most of what you say but the her toe loop is even more inconsistent than the flip. Her toe loop and lutz are equally bad and the flip is by far the most consistent of the jumps involving a toe pick. Her main problem is her picking technique in general. I know her flip is not that consistent but it is in far better shape than her other toe picking jumps.

    She would be better off doing 2 double axels ( one in combination with 2 double loops ) and drop the 3 toe in the FS layout. The triple salchow combination would only have one double loop.

    I think the three jump combo would work better with the double axel than the salchow as her salchow is not quite as strong as the loop or the axel ( but still way better than any of the toe-picked jumps )
     
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  29. mag

    mag Well-Known Member

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    I'm wondering if the word from Skate Canada is that they want to see her trying the Lutz. When she was required to do a skate off with Phaneuf to get to worlds I'm thinking she was either specifically told, or just assumed, that she needed the Lutz to be considered. That is the only reason I can think that she keeps trying it.
     
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  30. euterpe

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    Amelie will be 25 in December. If she hasn't mastered the lutz by now, it isn't going to happen.
     
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