Canadian ladies über thread!

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  1. geoskate

    geoskate Well-Known Member

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    I do too. Both of those skaters (plus Seguin) now are potential medallists on the JGP, and I think the experience of going into a competition as a potential medallist, and dealing with the resultant nerves, is far more valuable for their future career than going to Skate Canada and likely finishing in the bottom half of the field. In addition, I agree about the much greater probablility of getting ranking points on the JGP.
     
  2. geoskate

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    Off-topic on this discussion, but it is amazing to be having a discussion about three promising skaters at once in Canadian women's skating (five, if you count Mallet and Osmond).

    They didn't just drop out of the sky, though. It was possible to see this coming over the past two seasons, as Daleman, Chartrand and Seguin were trying increasingly difficult technical content, often failing, but having increasing success with each competition. What I find truly exciting is that they seem to be inspiring others to follow the same path. Right now some of those skaters are at the place that Daleman or Chartrand were at two seasons ago, trying a lot of things but not always (even rarely) succeeding. Probably many of those skaters never will reach the technical level that Daleman, Chartrand or Seguin are at, but some will, I think.
     
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  3. hohoho

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    Agree
     
  4. 4rkidz

    4rkidz GPF Barcelona here I come

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    I agree as well.. I think a great deal of the credit should also go to Michael Slipchuck.. as the high performance director at Skate Canada - I think he has influenced a great deal of upturn in women's skating over the past 6 years.. I think by raising the bar and having clear performance outcomes and minimum standards he has created a clear path for coaches to follow..
     
  5. all_empty

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    I like Gabrielle's spunk and attack, but she's still a little rough around the edges.

    I haven't been the biggest Amelie supporter in the past, but I'm rooting for her, especially if this is her last season.

    I think she has the most maturity of all the top Canadian skaters, but the toe jumps are totally MIA.

    The 3Lz is kinda hopeless at this point, but she was making progress on the 3F last year. If she does a 3F, two 3Lo, two 3S and two 2A, she should put up a decent fight against the younger girls, who are still a little hit or miss.

    ETA: Some very nice jumps from Seguin. I like her!
     
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  6. Jammers

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    Is it me or does Osmond not look in shape at all? She did not look like an elite athlete at Wild Rose.
     
  7. Emdee

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    Osmond is managing her training. Last year she peaked too early. This year she is laying the building blocks towards the Olys and worlds.
    Perfect form at this time in the cycle is usually a mistake.....
     
  8. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to GP & U.S. Sectionals!

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    HE replied to me today and has revised his article.
     
  9. Jammers

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    There is no need to be perfect at this time of year but she should be in much better shape then she is.
     
  10. demetriosj

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    Oy, here we go. Trying to make something out of nothing...
     
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  11. hohoho

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    If you are only looking at the videos of Wild Rose, that is not a very good representation. Have a look at her facebook page and in particular this photo:

    https://www.facebook.com/KaetlynOsm...635.1073741842.247741912027675&type=1&theater

    She definitley does not look physically out of shape. Maybe some cardio work but that will come with more training.
     
  12. Emdee

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  13. Sylvia

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    Alaine Chartrand article: http://www.easternontarionetwork.co...first-international-competition-of-the-season
    Excerpt:
     
  14. Marco

    Marco Missing Ziggy

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    With Chartrand and Daleman both in JGPs, I suddenly have an eerie feeling that the second spot to Sochi would go to Lacoste... Skate Canada has too many senior international assignments to hold their #2 and #3 in juniors when they are age eligible for the Olympics and can land 3/3s (and on the other hand Lacoste struggles with lutzes and flips and hasn't landed a ratified 3/3 in years).

    Can they compete at fall internationals and senior Bs after they are done with their JGPs?
     
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  15. spikydurian

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    :swoon:
     
  16. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to GP & U.S. Sectionals!

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    :) for Madelyn Dunley: Seasoned figure skater earns international assignment

    Cross-posting these 2 videos:
     
  17. danafan

    danafan Canadian ladies über

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  18. hohoho

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    Chartrand looked shaky in her SP at JGP Latvia. Very gutsy going for the triple toe after a not so perfect lutz. Spins were not great. I think the JGP was a good decision for her. Again she has the technical but the PCS is still hitting her hard.
     
  19. Corianna

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    Chartrand just moved up to fourth overall. Third in the free after the Russian girls.
     
  20. danafan

    danafan Canadian ladies über

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    Not her best skates, but she improved her season's best score from last year. Here's a video of her free skate.

    http://youtu.be/wBf9wIcITWE
     
  21. JanetB

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    And she exceeded her personal best in both the short and the long from last year.
     
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    danafan Canadian ladies über

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    Chartrand has great jumps and has made strides artistically, however her posture has to be addressed, she has the potential for nice body lines but the shoulders up to her ears are totally ruining her image on the ice. She has made improvements though and I think she has a great chance to make the Olympic team this season.
     
  24. leapfrogonice

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    With Nationals so early in January, I wonder what Skate Canada will do as far as selecting competitors for Four Continents? That event is worth a lot of ISU points. With many of the most competitive countries typically not sending their Olympic team/A team, any of the top 3 ladies from Canadian nationals last year could all use a helpful boost for getting Grand Prix Assignments during the 2014-15 season.
     
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  25. danafan

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    I think finishers 3-5 will get assigned to 4CC, provided they meet the tech minimum. I think it's very likely that the top 6 from 2013 will stay in the top 6 in 2014, so I could see a team of Chartrand, Lacoste, and Mallet or Séguin making 4CC.

    Perhaps even more important will be the selection for the jr world team as we will want to maintain spots at jr worlds and JGP for next season. I hope they will consider sending someone like Chartrand to both junior worlds and 4CC with this in mind.
     
  26. Rock2

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    Doesn't look like Chartrand will make JGPF so 4CC/JW layout is possible.

    Sounds like you've all but handed Sochi spot to Daleman...? :)

    I think if they all skate to their potential I'd see the order being Osmond, Daleman, Lacoste, Chartrand, Seguin, Mallet. I'd also think this is a rough order of SC's interest in sending ladies to Sochi. Of these I'd say odds of NOT skating to potential are highest with Lacoste so she's in tough. I think any of these ladies could go to Sochi if they step at nats...while the lower these ladies are in the pecking order, the more important their fall comps will be.
     
  27. Erin

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    I don't think that's a bad approach. I think that if one of Seguin/Chartrand/Daleman makes the World or Olympic team, the other two are likely to be sent to Jr. Worlds for this reason. 4CC is probably a lower priority and could be used to spread assignments around to someone like Mallet and/or give senior experience to Seguin/Chartrand/Daleman. Seguin's participation in the different events also depends on what is going on with her pairs skating. She's in a very interesting situation with the number of teams she could qualify for in either discipline. I don't think I've ever seen quite this situation with a skater who is junior age-eligible and potentially in contention for both junior and senior internationals in both disciplines in an Olympic year. The closest I can think of was Meagan Duhamel in 2005 who did end up competing at the JGPF in singles and at Jr. Worlds in pairs, but that wasn't an Olympic year so there weren't quite as many assignments to go around.

    Since the JGPF is in December, it shouldn't really have an impact on attending 4CC/JW. It's likely a moot point for Chartrand, since as you say, she's unlikely to make the JGPF, but worth keeping in mind for Seguin and Daleman.

    On another topic, looking at the JGP assignments, I find it very curious that Marika Steward hasn't received an assignment or at least an alternate spot given that she has made the minimum score set out by Skate Canada. She has been somewhat inconsistent this summer, but it seems odd that skaters like Roxanne Cournoyer and Kelsey Wong are getting assignments (and Larkyn Austman and Zoe Gong are getting multiple alternate slots) without having hit the minimum score while Steward has met the score once and doesn't even have one alternate slot. The only JGP that hasn't been assigned yet is Estonia and I would guess that will go to Daleman and either Gong or Austman since they have been listed as alternates for several other assignments.

    I also have to wonder a bit at Skate Canada not listing Chartrand, Daleman or Seguin as alternates for any of the assignments. It seems like it would be prudent in the event of injury to allow for the chance to switch events, although hopefully they will all stay healthy and it just won't matter (knock on wood).
     
  28. geoskate

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    Great point. It hadn't occurred to me that they weren't putting them in. They have been doing it in ice dance for Bent/MacKeen and Edwards/Pang. Interestingly, they haven't been doing it for Nam Nguyen in men's either.
     
  29. geoskate

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    Julianne Seguin has a good skate at the JGP Mexico, with a score of 50.98. That's a new international best short program score for her. Her program is here.

    Sandrine Martin had IMO a very good debut on the JGP. Her score of 43.25 is certainly respectable for her debut, but what's more impressive is that she got that score despite completely missing her combination, which likely cost her 5 or 6 points. It was right at the start of the program, but she was able to put the mistake completely behind her.

    Unlike some skaters, puberty seems to be treating her quite kindly so far. Last year she looked rather frail to me. This year she has much greater speed and power, and she hasn't lost the jumps. Here's her short program.
     
  30. Dr.Siouxs

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    Sandrine has some it factor going on--amazing what a difference a smile make. She also has nice speed and edges :)
     
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