Canadian ladies über thread!

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by danafan, Mar 18, 2013.

  1. Dr.Siouxs

    Dr.Siouxs Well-Known Member

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    Tell me about it. :eek: They all seemed to come out of nowhere.

    Just for trivia purposes, Is Daleman the first Canadian lady to hit 3 lutz/3toe in competition? :watch:
     
  2. spikydurian

    spikydurian Well-Known Member

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    Can all the vids of these ladies be uploaded on this thread? That would be great.
     
  3. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to Nationals!

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    danafan's 2 videos from 2013 Skate Detroit:
    "Julianne Séguin's long program, filmed from my phone." Junior Group D 1st place FS (102.18): http://youtu.be/FKMz6-sncik
    Alaine Chartrand's 1st place LP in Senior Group A (106.05): http://youtu.be/tEhJ051RR1c

    HeatherC's video of Gabrielle Daleman's Skate Detroit Senior Group A 2nd place LP (90.11): http://youtu.be/ZbJ-Mcu4Jno

    2013 Liberty Summer Competition videos:
    Veronik Mallet's 2nd place Senior SP (51.77): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFCrlQom3sU
    Mallet's 2nd place FS (92.19): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO21WYWmlJ0
    Mallet is 19 and may have a chance for a Senior B.

    Roxanne Cournoyer's 5th place Senior SP (45.73): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMSsYFiw5yc
    She's currently listed as a JGP alternate.

    JGP Latvia:
    Alaine CHARTRAND CAN 6
    Larkyn AUSTMAN CAN 6 S
    Roxanne COURNOYER CAN 6 S
    Sandrine MARTIN CAN 6 S

    JGP Mexico:
    Sandrine MARTIN CAN 3
    Julianne SEGUIN CAN 3

    Roxanne COURNOYER CAN 3 S
    Marianne RIOUX OUELLET CAN 3 S
     
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  4. geoskate

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    Wouldn't that honour belong to Alaine Chartrand? She did it at the 2013 Canadian championships in the short program (link to protocols). It wasn't the best exit from the 3T, but both jumps were completely rotated. She may have done it cleanly at one of her earlier competitions, because she had been trying it for much of the season. (Perhaps someone else will know). At world juniors the 3T was given a <, so it wasn't clean.

    I can't find a link to a Youtube video of her Canadians' short program, unfortunately, so you can't judge for yourself. Gabriellle's might be the first clean 3Z-3T. (Sort of like the debate on whether Kurt landed the first quad, I guess, since his quad wasn't entirely perfect, but it was rotated).
     
  5. Sylvia

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    Junior Ladies SP, group 1, is being live streamed from Quebec Summer Championships - Sandrine Martine is coming up soon in the main rink: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/qc-cqe-2013---glace-1 (videos are being archived on demand)

    Event info & discussion thread in Kiss and Cry: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/sho...E9-2013-Aug-8-11-(near-Montreal)-live-streams

    ETA:
    Sandrine Martin (43.92) to Rhapsody in Blue - 3T+2T, 3Lo< fall, 2A - video: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/37036263
    She skated this SP cleanly to win the SP Final (46.55) at Liberty last month.
     
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  6. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to Nationals!

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  7. Emdee

    Emdee Well-Known Member

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    Thank you Sylvia... you are a wonderful resource!
     
  8. fan

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    interesting that the entire jr ladies' podium has not yet received an assignment, but jr 5 (Marianne Rioux Ouellette) and Sr 10 (cournoyer) have.
     
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  9. danafan

    danafan Canadian ladies über

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    Well Austman, Steward, and Dunley haven't skated that well yet at their summer events. Hopefully they'll skate better at their next events and will get something.
     
  10. danafan

    danafan Canadian ladies über

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    Daleman is back to the JGP - assigned to Poland with Julianne Delaurier.

    http://www.isuresults.com/events/fsevent00051460.htm

    Najarro skated this weekend at Thornhill but struggled - still she's listed as reserve for Nebelhorn.

    I guess Mallet is the only one being considered for the Skate Canada host pick.
     
  11. Erin

    Erin Well-Known Member

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    Disappointing, but not terribly surprising since she didn't receive either of the Senior B assignments, and I don't think she would have wanted only one assignment (Skate Canada host pick).

    I agree that it's probably Mallet or throwing the spot back for the Skate Canada host pick. Not sure if Skate Canada will wait and see how Mallet does at Nebelhorn before they make a decision? Given that there's no one else really in contention, I hope that they just give it to her instead of inviting someone from another country. She had two strong summer competitions and I think she's earned the spot.
     
  12. danafan

    danafan Canadian ladies über

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    I sure hope they don't throw away the host pick. When you think about who they let skate at Skate Canada in the past I think Mallet is more than ready to go.

    I hope that Daleman will be okay with the triple loop in the short. She's been trying it in the free. I just hope if she misses it she'll still be in contention for a good placement.
     
  13. halffull

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    I sure hope they send Mallet to SC rather than throwing it away again. She deserves the chance at it, especially with Daleman, Sequin and I assume Chartrand doing jgp again this year.
     
  14. HJay

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    Daleman was fantastic this weekend - certainly a different category to Najarro. I don't understand why Daleman's phenomenal skate sends her to the JGP while Najarro's underwhelming skate gets her a possible ticket to Nebelhorn. Am I misunderstanding something....

    My DD8 and I watched the Senior Ladies yesterday at Thornhill. At the end of the competition, she turned to me and said "I hope most of them retire before I get to Seniors or I will never win anything!" I had to smile. (She is in the early stages of her single jumps.)
     
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  15. Stephanie

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    I really don't get Daleman going back to the JGP. Send her to SC and Finlandia (on the SC assignments page) for her second assignments. One of Daleman and Chartrand is going to the Olympics and Daleman has done better this summer...it just makes no sense.
     
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  16. pinky166

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    Daleman is only 15 though, so there's really no need to rush her to seniors right away. She can still go to the Olympics if she places high enough at Nationals and do what Makarova did in 2010. Also, between her and Chartrand, there isn't really a clear frontrunner, they are pretty comparable, and Chartrand is 17 and a more complete skater (IMO) at this point, even if Daleman has more raw athletic ability (which Chartrand also has a lot of). Also given the way Osmond skated at Wild Rose...maybe the two of them go to Sochi instead and Kaetlyn stays home :p

    ((kidding...sort of :EVILLE:)
     
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  17. spikydurian

    spikydurian Well-Known Member

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    Wow... the young ladies are a load of talent.
     
  18. pinky166

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    Watched the SD videos again and Chartrand's jumps are fantastic, like almost Gracie Gold quality. Posture is an issue and the spins need work but that was a very formidable jumping display she put on there, especially with the 3lz-1lo-3s in the beginning then the 2a-3t and 3s-2lo late in the program. Daleman's jumps are also really impressive, not as neat and tidy as Chartrand's, but massive!
     
  19. Sylvia

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    COS Thornhill videos from this past weekend:

    Gabrielle Daleman's winning FS (102.79): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3dS5mhJcR0
    Daleman's SP (56.56): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7ln4K6yYT8

    Alaine Chartrand's 2nd place FS (96.37): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-WpVY0mEMw
    Chartrand's SP (49.80): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2sqmQEBRg0

    Welcome back to competition, Alexandra Najarro! :) Her SP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoOatogQLp0

    (The FS videos of Najarro and Eri Nishimura are also uploaded by the same person.)
     
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  20. danafan

    danafan Canadian ladies über

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    Does anyone know if Nishimura is still JGP age eligible? She scored well in the short despite not getting full rotation on either triple.

    Also I didn't get to see her skate since it was in the other rink, but Dunley scored above the 125 target score at Thorhnill and according to the protocol she rotated a triple toe triple sal combo (but fell) and a triple loop in the short. I hope she gets a JGP assignment.
     
  21. Emdee

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    According to Jackie Wong Gabriel is too young for Olys. Only Chartrand can go. Navarro is nowhere near Chartrands quality. There is a softness in her skating that reminds me of a young Josee Chouinard.
     
  22. pinky166

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    Daleman turned 15 in February, which is before July 1, so she should be old enough for the Olympics?
     
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  23. Sylvia

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  24. danafan

    danafan Canadian ladies über

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    I hope she corrects it. Honestly how much research would it have taken to know Daleman's age?

    :rolleyes:
     
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  25. JanetB

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    The desition to send Chartrands and Daleman back to the JGP makes sense if your looking at it from the perspective of assignments over the next several years. Neither of them is high enough in the world standing to get more than Skate Canada's host pick, but both look to be skating extremely well this year and have the chance to medal on the JGP. One or both might even go to the JGP final. They will be earning themselves valuable world ranking points for SGP spots next year and being on JGP doesn't mean they can't go to Worlds or the Olympics.
     
  26. hohoho

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    I agree with JanetB and Skate Canada on their decision to send Chartrand and Daleman back to JGP. They can do really well there and work more on the PCS. They have the Technical. And they can keep the movement going in maintaining valuable JGP spots for upcoming skaters.

    I wouldn't count Osmond out yet. She has alot more than both Daleman and Chartrand has in terms of ice presence and now experience of all the competitions last year. Wildrose was just a rough early season competition with wanting to show the programs and get feedback.

    Perhaps people are assuming that Skate Canada is saying no to the SGP for Daleman/Chartrand. I am thinking they are looking at the big picture and realising that the best option is JGP and the coaches may have pushed for JGP. Osmond didn't get her first SGP until after Nebelhorn at 16. I think without the win at Nebelhorn, you would have saw Osmond on JGP last season. They have the opportunity to gain more international experience and I think it is a good decision.

    As for the Olympics, Osmond I believe is the frontrunner. She will get the jumps more consistent and fix the programs. If Lacoste can get it together, Chartrand or Daleman will not beat her at Nationals. Neither has the performance level of Lacoste. Let the kids develop. What is the rush. They are only 19-21 for the next Olympics.
     
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  27. danafan

    danafan Canadian ladies über

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    IMHO Lacoste will have to skate better than she ever has at nationals to beat Chartrand and Daleman.

    The part I bolded is absolutely not correct. Osmond was assigned to Skate Canada on the initial Grand Prix announcement last year, which was a few months before Nebelhorn.

     
  28. hohoho

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    Lacoste did beat Daleman and Chartrand in the sp at nationals with a fall. If not for a couple of mistakes in the LP she would have been 2nd. I like Daleman and Chartrand but they both have work to do on PCS, example is Daleman at WTT.
     
  29. Rock2

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    We also have to look at the way they are trending. Expect both Daleman and Chartrand to jump at least a good half point on each component score this year while Lacoste should be flat to trending down.

    Also we have to remember that the dynamic of skating at nats in an Olympic year wears on some skaters. A nervous skater like Lacoste who is likely in her last nationals performance will probably have a much tougher time going against a sea of young girls who will be going for broke and pelting triples at her. If Lacoste finishes in top two then I'd completely take my hat off to her and wish her well in Sochi.

    I actually think that Chartrand, Daleman and Seguin (based on what I've seen so far this year) are pretty much neck and neck (and neck) for Sochi. Might have Seguin just a touch behind without a 3/3.....although she's working on it.
     
  30. kylet3

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    based on what we've seen from Lacoste this last season and this summer, I think she has been firmly passed by the likes of Daleman, Chartrand, Seguin and even Mallet. Lacoste was a disaster at Quebec summer provincials. She's had years to prove herself and she hasn't done that especially the last couple seasons. The former 4 and especially Daleman, Chartrand, and Seguin are a part of the next wave of talented Canadian ladies. They proved that at Canadian nationals last season and I think Daleman and Chartrand are the front-runners for the second spot with Seguin very close behind. If Amelie proves me wrong at Skate Canada and Nationals, then yes of course, she deserves to go, but she's been far too inconsistent especially compared to the likes of those mentioned.
     
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