Canadian ladies über thread!

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by danafan, Mar 18, 2013.

  1. Erin

    Erin Well-Known Member

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    It's not holding the skaters back when they just don't have the invites. But I agree that Daleman should get the Skate Canada TBA, especially without a triple loop. Combining that with 1 or 2 Senior B events will still get her on track re ranking points and there is always the possibility of picking up another GP (didn't happen for Osmond last year but I think Daleman is higher up on the alternate list). I'd still like to see Mallet get a Senior B. Hopefully both spots at Salt Lake City are used this year.

    In terms of JGP, I would also add novice champ Zoe Gong to the list I made above - she had a strong start at Skate Detroit with over 46 points in the SP.
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    Chartrand has already been assigned to JGP Latvia. I notice that Seguin skated Junior in Detroit, so she will be back on JGP. Haven't seen anything from Skate Canada for the Senior B's. Last year Osmond got Nebelhorn and Lacoste got US.

    For Daleman, it was a great score in Detroit, but if she can get the SC TBA that maybe the only one she will get. With the return of Kim and Kostner to the SGP this year there are less opportunities and with it being an Olympic year, skaters will not want to miss. Daleman has the opportunity to do 2 JGP and possibly the Final if she can get the 3 Loop. And to throw Daleman into what is considered the toughest SGP event at Skate Canada.
  3. Erin

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    Yes, I think you're right. I took a look at the SB list and it looks like Daleman would be #13 on the alternate list and most of the skaters ahead of her have 0 GP assignments...in order for her to get into the top 5 and even have a chance at an invite, 8 skaters ahead of her would have to get two assignments each, so that means 16 withdrawals and I sure hope we don't see that kind of bloodbath this season. That said, I still think that the Skate Canada TBA plus 2 B assignments strategy could work for her even with a tough field at Skate Canada. It would be great for her to get experience in that type of field.

    One other thought is that I feel like ranking points aren't quite as critical for whoever Canadian lady #2 in Sochi and Tokyo since any pressure for a good finish will likely be on Osmond. The other thing we saw with Osmond at Worlds this year is that when you hit the SP out of the park, an early start order resulting from a low World ranking doesn't really matter all that much.
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    Kaetlyn was the exception to the early starting order and the great marks.
    Her SP was explosive and absolutely delightful. I was completely charmed. Her personality and presentation skills really excel and the choreo was excellent and surely suited her personality.

    I cannot wait to see her current programs.
  5. cbd1235

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    I was really impressed with Chartrand at Skate Detroit. IMO she should grab one SGP, she looks like she's fighting and wants to be at the Olympics (If they'll let her)
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  6. fan

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  7. danafan

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    Very disappointing, especially with three reserves listed. I hope they will use two spots at future events and that they didn't give the rest away - for example, Japan now has a second spot at Riga instead of Canada :(
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    Well this news just sucks -- lemons and big time. What on earth are they thinking? or are they thinking at all?
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  9. geoskate

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    All three reserves have made the Skate Canada cutoff score for JGP assignments, and IMO are totally worthy of a JGP assignment, although they would likely not be medal contenders. It's very puzzling.

    ETA: My understanding is that Canada is entitled to three pairs teams per JGP also, and they only used two here. In that case, perhaps it is more understandable, since there is a shortage of good junior pair teams at the moment. All of the qualified pair teams may end up getting an assignment even without using all the spots. I don't think the same can be said for the women.
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    Julianne Delaurier may have put her name on to the list for a possible assignment with her performance at Glacier Falls, where her combined score was 136.18 (short 51.41, long 84.77). That's a huge improvement on her Victoria Day skate of a two or three months back, where she did quite well in the short but completely fell apart in the long program.

    What I have so far for JGP-eligible best scores is listed below, from this season only. Where the skaters skated two programs in a competition, I took the best score of the two. Corrections and additions are welcome):
    1. Gabrielle Daleman 161.95 (Skate Detroit, senior, combining short program and best of two long programs)
    2. Alaine Chartrand 150.13 (Skate Detroit, senior, again combining short program and best of two long programs)
    3. Julianne Seguin 148.71 (Skate Detroit, combining short program and best of two long programs)
    4. Julianne Delaurier 136.18 (Glacier Falls)
    5. Sandrine Martin 130.62 (Liberty, combining second short program and long from the final)
    6. Marika Steward 128.81 (Skate Detroit, senior, combining short program and long from the final)
    7. Marianne Rioux-Ouellet 125.79 (Skate Detroit, combining short program and long from the final).

    All of these skaters have already met Skate Canada's 125-point cutoff for JGP consideration. Several other skaters are close, and could meet the criteria in upcoming competions in Quebec (Quebec Summer), Ontario (Thornhill) and B.C. (B.C. Summer Skate). This is also without considering skaters who met the criteria last season. Therefore I think Skate Canada has no excuse for leaving spots unfilled. By the end of the August competitions I'm sure there will be enough skaters of sufficient quality to justify a full use of the assignments.
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  12. danafan

    danafan Canadian ladies über

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    Thanks for compiling that!

    While of course I think they should have used two spots at the first JGP, I can see why Skate Canada would want to wait for more summer competitions to see who is ready. So now that more skaters have competed and are meeting the criteria, there's really no excuse not to use future spots.
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  13. nadioso

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    Good post geoskate. Marika Steward might have an inflated score (ie would not meet the score at the junior level ) if she has no triple loop say and did triple toe and salchow only in the senior short. Unfortunately , we have no protocols to properly adjust the senior scores. Other than that there is no doubt that all the others have met the scoring standard

    SC also insists on triple-triple combos in the short as well. I hope SC is not using this clause to keep deserving skaters out who meet the scores but are missing the triple-triple combo. It is far more important if setting standards to meet the scores as that is what ultimately gives you a placement. I can understand minimum TES score in the standards ( as skaters must achieve TES minimums in international competition in order to compete in JW ). But not triple-triple where it is very possible to medal at a JGP without a triple-triple.
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  14. geoskate

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    Thanks for the comments. Nadioso's post made me go in search of the actual criteria used in selection criteria, which is here. (This information has been posted before on this board by other posters).

    A triple-triple requirement at the junior level does seem excessive. If it's only a preference, then I suppose it's OK. The wording of the statement suggests that the minimum score is a requirement for consideration, but the actual technical elements are suggested but not required.
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    Just so I understand ... We sent Amelie Lacoste and Cynthia Phaneuf to Worlds without a triple triple, but we want out junior skaters to have one before they can go on the JGP. Yep, that makes sense.
    I also don't think it makes sense for SC to wait for the results of summer competitions if it means losing spots at the first JGP. They can't get those spots back and the competition is often not as fierce. Decide at Nationals who gets the first one based on placements.
  16. blueglass

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    It's possible that they're gun shy given our inability to bring a quality female skater to the top ranks. We've had some very good skaters who for one reason or another never reached their potential. I recall Tracy Wilson commenting that Joannie Rochette had everything she needed to be on the podium long before she actually made it. I still don't understand why it was always one step forward and one back. Maybe someone from Skate Canada would explain their process for selection.
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  17. Erin

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    Thanks for compiling this list geoskate! Great to see so many strong skates by Canadian ladies. Unfortunately, the decision of how many spots to give up on the JGP was already made by Skate Canada, as they had to give numbers to the ISU by May 31 (see section 2.4 of the ISU Announcement). Very short-sighted of Skate Canada IMO, especially since the ladies are proving that they are capable of meeting the fairly stringent standards that Skate Canada has set, as least in terms of minimum scores.

    Steward was attempting the triple loop last season in the free program and tried it in the short this weekend at Minto, so I would be surprised if she was only doing the toe and sal in the short. That said, she's looked very inconsistent in summer competitions (poor short at Minto, skated poorly in the first free program at Skate Detroit), and her score is one of the lowest that met the standard so she may be lower on the list of skaters to be sent, especially since not all of the spots are being used.

    I think it's pretty clear in the document that a triple-triple is not required, but just that preference will be given to skaters who have it. I expect that the only skaters who get sent out and are attempting a triple-triple in the short are Chartrand and Daleman (if she does JGP and not senior). But it does seem kind of silly to list it as a preference item when there will be so few skaters that actually meet the standard.

    ETA - nice to see that Seguin, Daleman, and Chartrand have all met the minimum score for a Senior B assignment. Depending on how it fits in with the JGP schedule, it would be good to get all three out to a Senior assignment for the experience. Given that Chartrand is competing both junior and senior in the same weekend at Minto, I'm guessing she would be able to handle the back and forth. It might be a bit much for Seguin if she is also doing pairs, though.
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  18. danafan

    danafan Canadian ladies über

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    Loving the excitement coming from this next generation of athletic young ladies!
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  20. geoskate

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    I like the choices for Mexico. Julianne skated strongly at Skate Detroit (46.53 in the short, 102.18 for the long, and 88.82 in the final), plus of course she was 6th in seniors at Canadians last season. Sandrine skated well at Liberty, and was consistently good in two short programs and two long programs there (first short 41.69, short final 46.55, first long 82.61, long final 84.07).

    The alternates choices are also good IMO. Marianne Rioux-Ouellet skated well at Skate Detroit, with two good long programs in the initial competition (short 42.27, first long 77.90, final long 83.52). Roxanne Cournoyer hasn't met the 125-point hurdle this year, but she did so last year, and her skating at Liberty in the senior event was good (short 45.73, long 75.12).
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    Tell me about it. :eek: They all seemed to come out of nowhere.

    Just for trivia purposes, Is Daleman the first Canadian lady to hit 3 lutz/3toe in competition? :watch:
  22. spikydurian

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    Can all the vids of these ladies be uploaded on this thread? That would be great.
  23. Sylvia

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    danafan's 2 videos from 2013 Skate Detroit:
    "Julianne Séguin's long program, filmed from my phone." Junior Group D 1st place FS (102.18): http://youtu.be/FKMz6-sncik
    Alaine Chartrand's 1st place LP in Senior Group A (106.05): http://youtu.be/tEhJ051RR1c

    HeatherC's video of Gabrielle Daleman's Skate Detroit Senior Group A 2nd place LP (90.11): http://youtu.be/ZbJ-Mcu4Jno

    2013 Liberty Summer Competition videos:
    Veronik Mallet's 2nd place Senior SP (51.77): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFCrlQom3sU
    Mallet's 2nd place FS (92.19): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO21WYWmlJ0
    Mallet is 19 and may have a chance for a Senior B.

    Roxanne Cournoyer's 5th place Senior SP (45.73): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMSsYFiw5yc
    She's currently listed as a JGP alternate.

    JGP Latvia:
    Alaine CHARTRAND CAN 6
    Larkyn AUSTMAN CAN 6 S
    Roxanne COURNOYER CAN 6 S
    Sandrine MARTIN CAN 6 S

    JGP Mexico:
    Sandrine MARTIN CAN 3
    Julianne SEGUIN CAN 3

    Roxanne COURNOYER CAN 3 S
    Marianne RIOUX OUELLET CAN 3 S
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  24. geoskate

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    Wouldn't that honour belong to Alaine Chartrand? She did it at the 2013 Canadian championships in the short program (link to protocols). It wasn't the best exit from the 3T, but both jumps were completely rotated. She may have done it cleanly at one of her earlier competitions, because she had been trying it for much of the season. (Perhaps someone else will know). At world juniors the 3T was given a <, so it wasn't clean.

    I can't find a link to a Youtube video of her Canadians' short program, unfortunately, so you can't judge for yourself. Gabriellle's might be the first clean 3Z-3T. (Sort of like the debate on whether Kurt landed the first quad, I guess, since his quad wasn't entirely perfect, but it was rotated).
  25. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Junior Ladies SP, group 1, is being live streamed from Quebec Summer Championships - Sandrine Martine is coming up soon in the main rink: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/qc-cqe-2013---glace-1 (videos are being archived on demand)

    Event info & discussion thread in Kiss and Cry: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/sho...E9-2013-Aug-8-11-(near-Montreal)-live-streams

    ETA:
    Sandrine Martin (43.92) to Rhapsody in Blue - 3T+2T, 3Lo< fall, 2A - video: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/37036263
    She skated this SP cleanly to win the SP Final (46.55) at Liberty last month.
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  26. Sylvia

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    Thank you Sylvia... you are a wonderful resource!
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    interesting that the entire jr ladies' podium has not yet received an assignment, but jr 5 (Marianne Rioux Ouellette) and Sr 10 (cournoyer) have.
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  29. danafan

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    Well Austman, Steward, and Dunley haven't skated that well yet at their summer events. Hopefully they'll skate better at their next events and will get something.
  30. danafan

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    Daleman is back to the JGP - assigned to Poland with Julianne Delaurier.

    http://www.isuresults.com/events/fsevent00051460.htm

    Najarro skated this weekend at Thornhill but struggled - still she's listed as reserve for Nebelhorn.

    I guess Mallet is the only one being considered for the Skate Canada host pick.
  31. Erin

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    Disappointing, but not terribly surprising since she didn't receive either of the Senior B assignments, and I don't think she would have wanted only one assignment (Skate Canada host pick).

    I agree that it's probably Mallet or throwing the spot back for the Skate Canada host pick. Not sure if Skate Canada will wait and see how Mallet does at Nebelhorn before they make a decision? Given that there's no one else really in contention, I hope that they just give it to her instead of inviting someone from another country. She had two strong summer competitions and I think she's earned the spot.
  32. danafan

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    I sure hope they don't throw away the host pick. When you think about who they let skate at Skate Canada in the past I think Mallet is more than ready to go.

    I hope that Daleman will be okay with the triple loop in the short. She's been trying it in the free. I just hope if she misses it she'll still be in contention for a good placement.
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    I sure hope they send Mallet to SC rather than throwing it away again. She deserves the chance at it, especially with Daleman, Sequin and I assume Chartrand doing jgp again this year.
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    Daleman was fantastic this weekend - certainly a different category to Najarro. I don't understand why Daleman's phenomenal skate sends her to the JGP while Najarro's underwhelming skate gets her a possible ticket to Nebelhorn. Am I misunderstanding something....

    My DD8 and I watched the Senior Ladies yesterday at Thornhill. At the end of the competition, she turned to me and said "I hope most of them retire before I get to Seniors or I will never win anything!" I had to smile. (She is in the early stages of her single jumps.)
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  35. Stephanie

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    I really don't get Daleman going back to the JGP. Send her to SC and Finlandia (on the SC assignments page) for her second assignments. One of Daleman and Chartrand is going to the Olympics and Daleman has done better this summer...it just makes no sense.
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  36. pinky166

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    Daleman is only 15 though, so there's really no need to rush her to seniors right away. She can still go to the Olympics if she places high enough at Nationals and do what Makarova did in 2010. Also, between her and Chartrand, there isn't really a clear frontrunner, they are pretty comparable, and Chartrand is 17 and a more complete skater (IMO) at this point, even if Daleman has more raw athletic ability (which Chartrand also has a lot of). Also given the way Osmond skated at Wild Rose...maybe the two of them go to Sochi instead and Kaetlyn stays home :p

    ((kidding...sort of :EVILLE:)
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  37. spikydurian

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    Wow... the young ladies are a load of talent.
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    Watched the SD videos again and Chartrand's jumps are fantastic, like almost Gracie Gold quality. Posture is an issue and the spins need work but that was a very formidable jumping display she put on there, especially with the 3lz-1lo-3s in the beginning then the 2a-3t and 3s-2lo late in the program. Daleman's jumps are also really impressive, not as neat and tidy as Chartrand's, but massive!
  39. Sylvia

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    COS Thornhill videos from this past weekend:

    Gabrielle Daleman's winning FS (102.79): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3dS5mhJcR0
    Daleman's SP (56.56): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7ln4K6yYT8

    Alaine Chartrand's 2nd place FS (96.37): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-WpVY0mEMw
    Chartrand's SP (49.80): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2sqmQEBRg0

    Welcome back to competition, Alexandra Najarro! :) Her SP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoOatogQLp0

    (The FS videos of Najarro and Eri Nishimura are also uploaded by the same person.)
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  40. danafan

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    Does anyone know if Nishimura is still JGP age eligible? She scored well in the short despite not getting full rotation on either triple.

    Also I didn't get to see her skate since it was in the other rink, but Dunley scored above the 125 target score at Thorhnill and according to the protocol she rotated a triple toe triple sal combo (but fell) and a triple loop in the short. I hope she gets a JGP assignment.