Canadian Ice Dance 2013/2014: General discussion

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  1. pani

    pani Well-Known Member

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    In 2011-2012 RH had amazing FD. It was one of the best tangos i saw in ice dance. I remeber, how people were surprised and gave them a partial standing ovation in Nice. Maybe this happened because at that time Lane-Razgulayevs had more time for them. I like programs they did for Crone-Porie and now for GP. But they missed something for RH. After that tango i thought they could made a lot off great things in ice dance.
    This season FD. I like that this FD is pure dancing, they are emotionally connected with it, but for bring them on next level they need more.
    As for OW. You know i think they could have great potential and i remember how people liked them at JWCh in Minsk, but i dont like WL programs during last 2 seasons. Nothing special. I like only Delmaestro-Lum SD and FD. I know, a lot off people dont like them, but for me they are more interesting to watch, then other WL teams and Bent-MacKeen.
    And is OW want to have better results. they need to stop be a DW clones, like PI need to stop be VM clones and wait when VM will retier and hope to get medals with VM peograms. I remeber PI on there frist JWCh together and i could imaging they will look like VM at all, they had great personality.
     
  2. princeton123

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    I don't see how P/I are trying to be V/M clones with their programs. V/M are hardly the first ones that do that type of soft, classical, romantic skating.
     
  3. lavenderblue

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    pani, which V/M programs did P/I skate with W.E. and Legend of 1900?
     
  4. pani

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    This season SD - Funny Face. Last ans this season FDs.
     
  5. lavenderblue

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    I forgot that V/M own Gershwin's catalogue... That P/I's SD is a foxtrot/quickstep and Funny Face a more narrative piece moving through foxtrot, jazz, and waltz while loosely playing out a film's storyline is irrelevant in the face of music from the same composer and an opening pose.

    Are you likening Funny Face to both of the past two years' FDs as well (a comparison that is fairly challenging, to say the least), or was there another program that you feel both evoke?
     
  6. pani

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    I am talking not about music, but about moves, especially opening moves.
    Yes, that FD had different change of dance rythm, with they didnt show. I just try to say this team need more personality and this is just my own opinion.
     
  7. lavenderblue

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    But that's my question, essentially: if V/M are associated with quite a wide range of movement styles (and they are, because they're quite possibly the most versatile team in the sport's history), what are P/I doing that explicitly evokes V/M and not a lyrical and ballroom-based style? What are the choreographic moments clearly ripped from the other team, outside of this year's SD? V/M can't possess ownership over every style and musical selection they've done, but one of the primary rebuttals V/M's fans have made to their detractors is that V/M are not just the soft lyrical team, which would lead me to question how that larger category of movement, then, is theirs exclusively.

    Moving on to other topics, where R/H are concerned, it does seem as though they peaked with 2011-12. I don't want to assign the issue only to program choice, although they've not been served well by their last two FDs. I do think they're at a point technically at which they're not going to develop further under Lane's tutelage, but I'm also not sure if they're in a position to relocate.
     
  8. Zazy

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    I feel like Lane doesn't quite know what to do with them. With G/P, she has a clear idea of their identity as a team but with R/H it's all over the place and they end up with programs that don't suit them at all. It also doesn't help that her main focus in the last few years has probably been getting G/P into the Olympics.

    If they're at all interested in relocating, Dubreuil/Lauzon might be an interesting idea. I've been really impressed with the quality of the choreography coming from their camp and there's no G/P-like team that would overshadow them.
     
  9. JasperBoy

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    ITA with both statements.
     
  10. mag

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    Me too. I think D&L would be a great fit for Ralph and Hill.
     
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    The only worry I would have with D&L is whether they could get beyond romantic programs. I think Paradis/Ouellette had the most successful choreography from them -- they were enchanting -- but it was the program I could mostly see D/L skate to, which is often the case with skaters turned coaches and choreographers. I get a similar impression from Wing/Lowe's teams. I didn't get to see the Junior FD's, though, and there may have been some other styles with which they were successful.

    Is there a waiting period for getting subsidies for being a Quebec athlete? If not, D/L could be a way to move to another coach without having to pay for everything from scratch. I don't know what Ralph and Hill's other lives are like (if they're in school, if they have jobs where they are), but if they're willing to re-locate, D/L might be the best option.
     
  12. tourtiere

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    What romantic programs have D&L created for their skaters this season?
     
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    Paradis and Ouellette's FD, for one, which was perfect for them, one of the highlights of the competition, but not up R/H's alley, or at least what they've shown to date as their strengths. I don't remember which novice or junior teams were theirs -- I didn't take many notes about coaches -- but I do remember thinking that some programs seemed to have their imprint on them, and then I'd see her in KnC. I don't remember seeing him, but the day the competition was in the practice arena (Monday), she was hanging with Pascal Denis.
     
  14. Stephanie

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    According to this http://icedanceelite.com/ralph-hill they're both university students in Toronto
     
  15. tourtiere

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    D&L had a string of interesting programs before their breakout 2006/2007 FDs though. They experimented with different looks and style all the time when they trained in France.
    This is my favorite from them http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMbjdCHjRdg
    This is their Titus program from when they were still with their Canadian coaches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxFZz2F38no

    It's a shame some only remember D&L for their 2 last competitive FDs, both choreographed by David Wilson. They didn't just do romantic themes.
     
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    I know they didn't just do romantic themes in their performance career. However, the last two years were when they had their greatest successes and became renowned for the style, where it got them on the podium, and that's the kind of thing teams stick with. Again, I got the impression from watching her younger teams, where the coaches were not listed in the media guides, that their programs were similar. I was not vigilant in watching for every coach on the jumbotron (Tuesday) or in squinting across the practice arena (Monday), because that's not what interested me so much, and I could have missed other teams, or she may have been in KnC with teams that weren't hers or didn't use D/L's choreography.

    I would love to see R/H do Haguenauer programs.

    Carol Lane gets smart dancers, and the educational opportunities in Toronto keep them based there, which is great for her.
     
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    Assignments for junior worlds have been posted.

    As expected, the two teams assigned are Edwards/Pang and Bent/MacKeen.

    Alternates are Brianna Delmaestro/Timothy Lum, Danielle Wu/Spencer Soo and Caroline Soucisse/Simon Tanguay. The Delmaestro/Lum and Wu/Soo assignments make sense, since they were 3rd and 4th respectively at Canadians. What is a bit surprising is that Soucisse/Tanguay (5th at Canadians) were chosen over the Mengs (2nd at Canadians) as an alternate. I hope this doesn't mean that the Mengs are injured and couldn't go if needed.
     
  19. kates8

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    That is odd about Mengs not being an alternate. I did notice that they changed coaches between Challenge and nationals and were no longer with Marie France and Patrice so not sure what is going on with them.
     
  20. fan

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    Who are the men's with now?
     
  21. fan

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    Err, mengs
     
  22. geoskate

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    Congratulations to Madeline Edwards/Zao-Kai Pang on their bronze medal at Junior Worlds!

    Short dance

    Free dance

    Their third place means that Canada will have the maximum number of JGP assignments next season (two/event, I believe).

    Mackenzie Bent/MacKeen skated their short program very well, but had a fall on a lift in their free dance. Fortunately it wasn't a dangerous fall. As a result they finished 12th.

    That will mean two spots for Canada at next years Junior Worlds.

    If I understand the ISU rules correctly, Edwards/Pang are eligible for the JGP next season, but Bent/MacKeen age out. I think the competitors must be under the age of 20 as of July 1, 2014 for next season (i.e. birthday before July 1, 1994). Is that correct? Zhao-Kai's birthday is March 5, 1995 (and Madeline is younger), so they should still be eligible. Garrett's birthday, however, is March 23, 1994, so I think they have aged out. Perhaps someone who knows the rules better can confirm this. Thanks.
     
  23. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to GP & U.S. Sectionals!

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    2014 World Championship results:
    2 Kaitlyn WEAVER / Andrew POJE CAN 175.41 2 3
    8 Piper GILLES / Paul POIRIER CAN 153.86 10 7
    10 Alexandra PAUL / Mitchell ISLAM CAN 148.76 11 10

    Short Dance:
    2 Q Kaitlyn WEAVER / Andrew POJE CAN 69.20 33.50 35.70 8.82 8.75 9.00 8.96 9.04 0.00 #33
    10 Q Piper GILLES / Paul POIRIER CAN 59.42 29.71 29.71 7.46 7.36 7.29 7.54 7.46 0.00 #30
    11 Q Alexandra PAUL / Mitchell ISLAM CAN 57.68 29.57 28.11 6.96 6.79 7.18 7.11 7.07 0.00 #16

    Free Dance:
    3 Kaitlyn WEAVER / Andrew POJE CAN 106.21 51.06 55.15 9.00 9.04 9.43 9.29 9.36 0.00 #20
    7 Piper GILLES / Paul POIRIER CAN 94.44 48.00 46.44 7.68 7.50 7.86 7.89 7.96 0.00 #14
    10 Alexandra PAUL / Mitchell ISLAM CAN 91.08 47.43 43.65 7.29 7.00 7.50 7.29 7.50 0.00 #10
     
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  24. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to GP & U.S. Sectionals!

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    ETA: Pang/Edwards are still ISU Junior age-eligible next season; Bent/Mackeen will age out unless the current maximum age rule for ISU Junior male pairs/ice dancers is retained at the ISU Congress in June - refer to this GSD thread: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/sho...rs-and-Dance-next-season-due-to-new-age-rules
     
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  25. The Observer

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    I think the most recent article I read says that Edwards & Pang plan to compete on the Junior circuit again next year.

    What was also impressive for this team is that they were named as alternates to Senior Worlds last month because they had the required TES score, and O&W and R&H did not.

    They could end up overtaking O&W and R&H down the road if these two teams don't raise their technical level.
     
  26. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to GP & U.S. Sectionals!

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    Re-posting from the Paul/Islam thread since many teams are referenced (Gilles/Poirier, Orford/Williams, Edwards/Pang, Ralph/Hill):