Canadian Ice Dance 2013/2014: General discussion

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  1. fan

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    gilles and Poirier should not be taking the Olympic spot for granted...
     
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  2. Pratfall

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    I hope someone will post O/W's programs on youtube ? Someone ? If I do my best Roger Rabbit "P-p-p-ple-e-a-ase ?'
     
  3. m_chenning

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    +1.

    Still their coaches are Megan Wing and Aaron Lowe? And they are choreographers too? (Who and how chose "Love Never dies"? It's interesting :) )
     
  4. clarie

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    I've yet to see their FD, but this team is growing on me.
     
  5. The Accordion

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    I like this team too! But after seeing several Wing and Lowe teams at the BC Summerskate I have the opinion that with all the things Wing and Lowe do extremely well as coaches- music choice and edits are NOT among their greatest strengths. I hope they bring someone else into their camp to help with this or even to take over because there is a great deal that they are doing extremely well with their teams.
     
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    I agree that this was not at all expected, what a pleasant surprise! I'm halfway through the short dances so haven't had a chance to watch their skates yet but am looking forward to seeing them. They made a big statement with this finish.

    Agreed. Orford & Williams just beat several teams that finished ahead of Gilles & Poirier at Worlds, and while I realize that G&P had a mistake at Worlds, it's still something that is worth taking into consideration. I'm also hoping to see Paul & Islam pushing for that Olympic spot as well.
     
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  7. frisette70

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    I really like Orford/Williams this season but i think that Paul/Islam should be the third team going to the Olympic. They had great scores at Thornhill Summer Skate.
     
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    Thanks for posting that! It was already improved from the performance at BC Summerskate IMO.

    The commentator was mentioning that some of the transitions are not as smooth as they should be, which I think is true. However, this is a team that historically takes a while to take command of their free dances. Last season their early season performances looked a bit sloppy, and they didn't really hit their stride until Canadians. I think they are ahead of where they were last season at this time, so they could be very strong by Canadians.

    However, IMO Paul/Islam are still the favourites for the bronze, based on what we've seen from the various teams so far. Of course, we haven't seen Gilles/Poirier at all yet this season, so they're an unknown factor.
     
  10. mag

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    I like both Orford/Williams and Paul/Islam, but to say Paul/Islam are the favorite for the bronze at this point is, IMHO, crazy. Simply based on Nationals placement and international reputation, I suggest that Gilles/Porier and O/W are the two couples out ahead in the race for bronze. And while they aren't my favorites, G/P probably have the most margin for error.
     
  11. geoskate

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    You could be right, certainly. Before worlds this past season I would absolutely have agreed with you. However, I don't think it's crazy now. An 18th place at worlds doesn't do much for anybody's international reputation.

    Also, Paul/Islam placed 2nd at the Salt Lake City competition last season, with a higher score (143.76) than Orford/Williams got this year (137.60), so the international judges are not averse to their skating (and Paul/Islam have improved considerably since then, based on their summer competitions).

    Purely national reputation is a different story, and I hope it plays no part in the decision this year, although that may be wishful thinking.

    But the primary reason that I think Paul/Islam have the edge at this point is that, any reputations aside, I think they are currently the best skaters of the three teams. Orford/Williams perhaps are the most likely to improve significantly during the season, based on past performance in other seasons. They have also been strong competitors historically, which is another possible advantage. Gilles/Poirier are starting from behind this season due to injury IMO.
     
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    I think the National bias ( if there is one) generally seems to lean towards Gilles/ Poirier. I don't agree it should, but then they have never asked my opinion ;)

    IMHO the biggest advantage Orford/Williams have over Paul/Islam is that the former appear to be consistently well trained. Yes, Thomas made some mistakes this weekend, but generally, the show up, they are well trained, and they skate clean programs. The same can't be said for Paul/Islam. Now that may change this year with P/I's new training location.

    It certainly will be an exciting Nationals!
     
  13. blueglass

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    I find everyone's comments very interesting. I saw the three teams at last year's Nationals and thought P/I and G/P were the most impressive teams although with very different qualities. I didn't really form an opinion on O/W. G/P's placement at Worlds is worrisome from a long-term perspective - first, 18th place is a deep hole to be buried in and second, it indicates this partnership is not going anywhere in the judges' eyes. P/I have many fine qualities but they've had so many disastrous falls at key times that I wonder if the judges will ever give them the placement they deserve. This may indeed be O/W's year to pull up.
     
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    P/I remind me of P/B in the past. P/B also seemed to have had bad luck at key times. Eventually they managed to turn things around. Hopefully P/I will also work through it.
     
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    Didn't weaver and Poje finish 2oth and 17th in their first two worlds?
     
  16. Proustable

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    Right now, G/P are the presumptive favourite.
     
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    Since Piper doesn't have her citizenship in order yet and they are dealing with injury i don't think they are the favourite at all...
     
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    I doubt citizenship will be a problem; given how error prone P/I can be (G/P trounced them at two consecutive Nationals, and even their Nationals scores are often huge - much moreso than for other national skaters). O/W are an interesting wildcard, but I think right now - SC prefers G/P.
     
  19. geoskate

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    They did indeed, and it took them three years of intensive work to turn that around.

    On an unrelated note, Mackenzie Bent/Garrett MacKeen will not qualify for the JGP Final. Their 7th-place finish at the JGP in Slovakia pretty much guarantees that. It's unfortunate they couldn't duplicate their performances at the JGP in Latvia. They might then have been able to slip in at third place (1st and 2nd were pretty much out of reach given the two top teams), which could have been enough to qualify.
     
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    Maybe training with Krylova, Camerlengo, and Scali will give them a boost. Have they competed anywhere since the move to Detroit?
     
  21. frisette70

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    Weren't they at the Detroit Skating Club all last season?
     
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    I adore P&I; I'm really hoping they can have a breakthrough season!
     
  25. clarie

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    I'm very optimistic for them after watching both programs a few times..........Lovely. She has the most beautiful arms and back......like Tessa.
     
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    Me, too! I like them SO much better than O/W (even though O/W are skating well right now).
     
  28. pani

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    Guys, i am so impressed by Canadian ice dance teams today.
    I am so happy to see Lum on ice again. I think his new patner look really good and in some points even better, then Tim. They both have such a light, fast legs. And i think they have great musicality and dancing ability

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkhsR_wQY4g

    And i am also impressed with Mengs SD. WOW, Patrice did such a great job for them. It suite to junior ice dancers so well.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04myIhT7W2U

    Good luck yo both teams in FD!
     
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  29. clarie

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    Wow......very impressive young teams.....I guess I know who I will be following after V/M retire
     
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