Canadian Ice Dance 2013/2014: General discussion

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  1. geoskate

    geoskate Well-Known Member

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    You could be right, certainly. Before worlds this past season I would absolutely have agreed with you. However, I don't think it's crazy now. An 18th place at worlds doesn't do much for anybody's international reputation.

    Also, Paul/Islam placed 2nd at the Salt Lake City competition last season, with a higher score (143.76) than Orford/Williams got this year (137.60), so the international judges are not averse to their skating (and Paul/Islam have improved considerably since then, based on their summer competitions).

    Purely national reputation is a different story, and I hope it plays no part in the decision this year, although that may be wishful thinking.

    But the primary reason that I think Paul/Islam have the edge at this point is that, any reputations aside, I think they are currently the best skaters of the three teams. Orford/Williams perhaps are the most likely to improve significantly during the season, based on past performance in other seasons. They have also been strong competitors historically, which is another possible advantage. Gilles/Poirier are starting from behind this season due to injury IMO.
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    I think the National bias ( if there is one) generally seems to lean towards Gilles/ Poirier. I don't agree it should, but then they have never asked my opinion ;)

    IMHO the biggest advantage Orford/Williams have over Paul/Islam is that the former appear to be consistently well trained. Yes, Thomas made some mistakes this weekend, but generally, the show up, they are well trained, and they skate clean programs. The same can't be said for Paul/Islam. Now that may change this year with P/I's new training location.

    It certainly will be an exciting Nationals!
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    I find everyone's comments very interesting. I saw the three teams at last year's Nationals and thought P/I and G/P were the most impressive teams although with very different qualities. I didn't really form an opinion on O/W. G/P's placement at Worlds is worrisome from a long-term perspective - first, 18th place is a deep hole to be buried in and second, it indicates this partnership is not going anywhere in the judges' eyes. P/I have many fine qualities but they've had so many disastrous falls at key times that I wonder if the judges will ever give them the placement they deserve. This may indeed be O/W's year to pull up.
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    P/I remind me of P/B in the past. P/B also seemed to have had bad luck at key times. Eventually they managed to turn things around. Hopefully P/I will also work through it.
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    Didn't weaver and Poje finish 2oth and 17th in their first two worlds?
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    Right now, G/P are the presumptive favourite.
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    Since Piper doesn't have her citizenship in order yet and they are dealing with injury i don't think they are the favourite at all...
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    I doubt citizenship will be a problem; given how error prone P/I can be (G/P trounced them at two consecutive Nationals, and even their Nationals scores are often huge - much moreso than for other national skaters). O/W are an interesting wildcard, but I think right now - SC prefers G/P.
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    They did indeed, and it took them three years of intensive work to turn that around.

    On an unrelated note, Mackenzie Bent/Garrett MacKeen will not qualify for the JGP Final. Their 7th-place finish at the JGP in Slovakia pretty much guarantees that. It's unfortunate they couldn't duplicate their performances at the JGP in Latvia. They might then have been able to slip in at third place (1st and 2nd were pretty much out of reach given the two top teams), which could have been enough to qualify.
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    Maybe training with Krylova, Camerlengo, and Scali will give them a boost. Have they competed anywhere since the move to Detroit?
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    Weren't they at the Detroit Skating Club all last season?
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    I adore P&I; I'm really hoping they can have a breakthrough season!
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    I'm very optimistic for them after watching both programs a few times..........Lovely. She has the most beautiful arms and back......like Tessa.
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    Me, too! I like them SO much better than O/W (even though O/W are skating well right now).
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    Guys, i am so impressed by Canadian ice dance teams today.
    I am so happy to see Lum on ice again. I think his new patner look really good and in some points even better, then Tim. They both have such a light, fast legs. And i think they have great musicality and dancing ability

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkhsR_wQY4g

    And i am also impressed with Mengs SD. WOW, Patrice did such a great job for them. It suite to junior ice dancers so well.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04myIhT7W2U

    Good luck yo both teams in FD!
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  19. clarie

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    Wow......very impressive young teams.....I guess I know who I will be following after V/M retire
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    Any update on when G/P will be back on the ice? Heard that Gilles was back in Colorado this past weekend watching the dance event that took place in Colorado Springs.
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    I understood they were back on the ice, but with limited practice time so as not to stress Paul's ankle.
  23. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    I posted a recent article about Gilles/Poirier in their GSD thread: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/sho...-amp-Poirier&p=3997745&viewfull=1#post3997745
    Excerpt from the article:
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    As Danafan pointed out in the thread in Kiss and cry, Kharis Ralph/Asher Hill and Elisabeth Paradis/Francois-Xavier Ouelette are assigned to the Cup of Nice in France (http://www.skatecanada.ca/en-us/athletes/internationalassignments.aspx). The competition occurs October 23-27.

    Also, Kharis and Asher skated in the Isabelle Henderson competition this past weekend, and received scores of 55.42 for their short dance and 84.46 for their free dance. They had already done their short dance at Minto and their free dance at Thornhill, but this was the first competition where they did both.
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    Were Kharis and Asher at High Performance Camp?
  26. pani

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    I think yes.
  27. geoskate

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    Someone asked quite a while ago about the status of Andreanne Poulin/Marc-Andre Servant (6th at least season's Canadians). They hadn't entered any summer competitions, so people were wondering if they were injured or had split.

    I haven't seen any further information on their status, but they are now listed on the entry list for Octoberfest, for the free dance only.
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    That's great! I've seen them in person a couple of times, and they're a really lovely pair. Their edges are to die for. I was hoping they hadn't split!
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  30. geoskate

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    Here's the free dance of Caroline Soucisse/Simon Tanguay at the Belarus JGP. They placed fifth in the free dance, with a score of 68.06, and sixth overall. This was their JGP debut. Other than a very slight problem on the twizzles, they skated that very well. I like the look of this team.
  31. geoskate

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    Edwards/Pang pretty much ensured that they will not make the Junior Grand Prix final this year with their skating at the JGP in Ostrava - and it was within their grasp. They finished in third, but they were less than two points out of first. The judges clearly would have given them the win, since they had the highest PCS scores in the FD. Unfortunately their low levels on two step sequences and a spin in the free dance, plus the fall on or just after a lift in the short dance, prevented that. Their free dance score was 79.29 and their overall score was 133.39, both slightly lower than their scores at the JGP in Mexico.

    In any case, here's the free dance.

    Danielle Wu/Spencer Su has a terrific debut on the JGP final, finishing fifth overall and fourth in the free dance. They had a short dance score of 51.68, a free dance score of 76.10, and an overall score of 127.78. They certainly look ready to challenge for the podium at Canadians.

    Their free dance is here, with music from West Side Story.
  32. spikydurian

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    Wow.. Wu & Soo's lift at 0.25 was unexpected and stunning!:swoon: I have watched their vids and am impressed with their continuous growth. I love their West Side Story FD.
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    Ralph/Hill at Cup de Nice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Exl3qwDlBzY

    Free dance score was 79.73, and overall score was 131.91 (4th)

    I can't find the program for Elisabeth Paradis/Francois-Xavier Oulette. Their free dance score was 81.70, their short dance score was 45.70, and their overall score was 127.40 (5th)
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  34. geoskate

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    Does anyone know the status of ISU minimum scores for Orford/Williams? The minimum technical scores for 4CC and Olympics are (I think) 18 and 28 points for the short dance and free dance respectively, and for worlds they are 28 and 38 points for the short dance and free dance respectively. Orford and Williams have definitely met the minimum for 4CC and the Olympics, but have they met the worlds standard (for the short dance, specifically)? I can't find any competition at which they have done so, but it's very possible that I have missed a competition in which they met the standard.

    Paul/Islam met all standards at Skate Canada this past weekend (if they hadn't already done so), and Gilles/Poirier had previously met the standard. I consider the three teams named to be potential members of the team for Worlds this season. If V/M retire, there could potentially be two spots open, actually, so it does become important that the potential 4th-placed team at Canadians has met the Worlds standard.
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    Last year, Orford & Williams were Worlds-eligible, because their SD TES at 2012 Jr Worlds was 30+. Does that carry through to this year?
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  38. geoskate

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    Thanks, frisette70, for the link to Paradis/Ouellette. I think they have improved substantially since last season.

    I don't think so, but we probably need kwanfan1818 or Sylvia to answer that definitively. The requirements are listed in ISU Communication 1797 (on this page), on page 5. The document lists the minimums, including the 28 point minimum technical score for the short dance, and then says

    "The Minimum Total Technical Score (not including Component Scores) is a Technical Score and must have been reached in an ISU recognized International Competition (as per Article 38, paragraph 7 of the ISU Constitution and Rule 107, paragraphs 1 to 9 of the ISU General Regulations) during the ongoing or immediately preceding season in both segments, Short Program/Short Dance and Free Skating/Free Dance (See ISU Special Regulations Single & Pair Skating Ice Dance 2012, Rule 378, paragraph 3)."

    I take this to mean that the technical score must have been reached in season 2012-2013 or season 2013-2014, so I don't think Junior worlds in 2012 would be included for this season. The technical score can be reached at separate competitions for the short dance and the free dance.
  39. geoskate

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    Orford/Williams competitions in 2012-2013:
    Rostelecom Cup - short dance technical score 27.58
    NHK - short dance technical score 25.72
    4CC - short dance technical score 26.79

    In 2013-2014:
    Salt Lake City short dance technical score 27.34

    So they have come agonizely close twice, but as far as I can tell have not met the minimum. If so, how well they skate their short dance at TEB could be quite important, then.
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    I hate to say this, but I had all but forgotten about Ralph/Hill. I always thought they had so much promise, but have they had injuries? They don't seem to be moving up like I thought they might. (They are so young, I'm not counting them out.)