Can Kevin Reynolds overtake Patrick Chan as Canadian Number 1?

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  1. essence_of_soy

    essence_of_soy Well-Known Member

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    Remember when nobody thought Jeff Buttle could be beaten at the national level and Chan took the title in 2008. Granted, Jeff's free program wasn't clean but at the time, Buttle was the reigning master of CoP, too.
  2. Japanfan

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    I don't think either of the articles are proclaiming him to be a world podium contender, but rather saying that he could be. Kevin did in fact beat two of the world's best skaters. There have been plenty of times when the top skaters didn't skate their best and it came down to who made the least mistakes as no one went clean.

    Yes, Kevin's win was fluke and the stars lined up for him. But he earned it fair and square, more fair and square than Sandhu's GPF win over Plush when Plush lost the title due to a zayack.

    Kevin may never again have such a perfect skate but he will always be the 2013 FCC Men's Champ.

    And I hope he gets some confidence from the event. If Patrick doesn't defend his title at World's he'll need to improve upon his 12th place finish last season for us to get three men on the Olympic team.
  3. Ziggy

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    What I find extremely frustrating is that Reynolds probably could have been really successful with a proper coach. Who would work on improving his basics and fixing his jumps. But no, he's stuck with McLeod and all he can hope for with her is fluke performances like the one at 4CC where he'll stand up on his jumps and where the cheats will be less than 1/4. He deserves better.
  4. overedge

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    Sylvia, I'd agree with you if it wasn't for this one:
    If the story had quotes from other people reflecting the same opinion, I might believe that "people" are actually "saying" such a thing. But as it is, especially with Reynolds' past inconsistencies, it sounds IMO like the usual delusional hot air, or pre-Worlds politicking.
  5. cbd1235

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    If Reynolds overtakes Chan as Canadian #1 then I'll not so shyly pretend I'm no longer Canadian....:scream:
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  6. Sasha'sSpins

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    I doubt it. I think Patrick would pretty much have to implode.
  7. FunnyBut

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    I would rather Sarah Hughes came back and won a second Olympic Gold Medal:scream:
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  9. Spun Silver

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    Both Dai and Yuzuru singled out Kevin before 4Cs or at least before the FP as one whose strengths they had observed with respect. I doubt they think less of him now.

    I was amazed by KR at 4Cs. The ugly duckling has turned into a soulful and brilliant performer. Who knows who will slip on the ice next but at the moment his trajectory is upward and Patrick's I am not so sure about. I am hoping he will kindly delay his dominance of the sport until after Sochi, however. :p
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  10. Ziggy

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    AAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH! Stop scaring me! :drama:
  11. triple_toe

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    I think Kevin suffers a bit from the perception of how bad his skating used to be. I've certainly done my share of Kevin bashing, from his ridiculous styling to his non-existent choreography and poor skating skills. But to be quite honest, looking at his skating today it's clear he has spent a lot of time on fixing those things. His long program especially has complex, musical choreography. His posture is good (has a beautifully arched back) and he has some lovely port de bras. Even his spins are pretty good. Yes, he has a long way to go, but he's come a long way as well. When I tried to look at his program objectively, instead of seeing it through a "Kevin Reynolds is all jumps and terrible skating" lens, I started to appreciate him much more.

    Do I think he's on the level of Patrick's skating? No. Nor Daisuke's or even Hanyu's. But if he knocks it out of the park at worlds, he deserves to be up there. Part of being a good skater is being a good competitor. Worlds and the Olympics are not a lifetime achievement award or even an indicator of who is the best figure skater in the world. It's who is better on that day. God knows we've seen that proved time and time again in skating.
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  12. ks777

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    ITA. He is not a powerful jumper nor skater. I could never watch his skating twice.. so boring and nothing is impressive. His lack of power in his skating, height on his jump and technique on his jumps reminds me of a lady's skating.
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  13. Rock2

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    In McLeod's defense ( :::: looking around :::: who just said that?? )
    She has to be talking up her skater to help fuel the perception that he's coming on strong. Publicly understating his skills and results wouldn't really serve much purpose.
    I just hope behind the scenes she's telling Kevin he's got a ways to go, for his sake.
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  14. skateboy

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    This.
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    Is it okay if I use " 'You skate like a girl' - ks777" as my new signature?
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    I wouldn't say it's a case of 'Can he' but 'Should he' because... I'd have to say no. He has jumps, granted, but that's it. Not the same quality of skating, speed, edges, expression. I say this as no real fan of pchan -- I can appreciate the prettiness of his skating without liking it. I just don't want to live in world where none of the artistic and performance parts are pushed aside for jumping beans like Kevin and Max. Had Patrick been at 4cc, and skated clean (or even just mostly clean with the way that comp went) he would have beat the crap out of Kevin in PCS alone.
  17. essence_of_soy

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    Don't let Tonya Harding see that. She'd run you over with her pick - up truck.
  18. Jaana

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    Can Kevin Reynolds overtake Patrick Chan as Canadian Number 1?

    Definetely not! Reynolds was extremely lucky at 4CC. He cannot compete against e.g Chan, Takahashi, Hanyu or Fernandez if they manage about 80 % of their potential.
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  20. spikydurian

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    That's life! :respec:
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    I third this. IMO Kevin has a great deal of talent and drive, but hasn't been given the guidance to properly hone his technique and develop his own artistry and style. I sometimes wince when I watch him, imagining what he could have developed into if he had spent time with a coach like Orser.
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  22. halffull

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    This!

    As far as Kevin beating Patrick. I doubt it will happen but in life I've learned to "never say never" ;)
  23. starryxskies

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    Actually both Dai and Yuzuru saw his Canadian Nationals performance, they both mentioned it in the press conference before the SP began. They wouldn't have mentioned it like that if they ruled him out. They were definitely aware of his capabilities before the 4CC FP
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    I would pay to see that.
  25. Mevrouw

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    On some days, depending on how each skates, yes. Who expected him to beat Daisuke and Hanyu and win 4CC?

    The potential Men's podium field just got bigger and more complicated.
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    From Kevin's Facebook on February 13th:
    "Back home! Thank you all for your incredible support. The last few days in Osaka passed by like a dream... There have been times in my career where even I doubted myself, but throughout all the ups and downs, I remember all the people that believed in me. You gave me the strength to believe in myself, and now I have achieved something far greater than I could have ever expected. I will never forget this week. Now, back to training, and on to the World Championships in Canada! I can't wait!! ヾ(*’▽’*)"

    And a cute pic:
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?....479538506000.248456.509846000&type=1&theater
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    What a well spoken young man!!!!
  29. lowtherlore

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    Hope that not happen. Chan may (yet) lack the charisma of Yag or Plushy, the appeal of Lambiel, or the raw force of Joubert, but he has every quality to be one of the best ever, if not already one.

    Reynolds could beat Chan on a good day. He’s a jumper, and he picked up the quad way earlier than other men. But until he improves on skating, speed, technique, consistency, and lower body strength and balance, I don’t see him overtaking Chan as a better skater. Never seen a filiform-physiqued man become a men’s champion, either.
  30. quartz

    quartz Point of Know Return

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    Kevin needs to wear that hat all the time.
  31. made_in_canada

    made_in_canada INTJ

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    Maybe he can get cast in a production of Newsies ;)
  32. SueSue

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    Not anywhere near the top men. A fluke? Yes.
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    PeterG Argle-Bargle-ist

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    I think I'm starting to get that there is no such thing as a fluke. On the day of the competition you do what needs to be when others do not. To say that all the skaters who have had one bright shining moment in their career are "flukes" is insulting. Very few people can hit the podium almost every time.
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  34. aemeraldrainc

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    This.
  35. luenatic

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    Have you seen/heard of a skater named Scott Hamilton?
  36. Ziggy

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    This was the first FS from Reynolds I remember in a very long time (if not the first ever?) without any <.
  37. starryxskies

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    But there are skaters that hit the podium every time. This is what separates the top tier with the ones playing catch. Reynolds, I believe, is still among the group playing catch. I think he's moved up to the ranks of Amodio, he's been fairly consistent as of very recent. They have the ability to do well and podium if and when the top tier skaters falter. But when everyone is on their A-game, they have no chance at all.

    I do agree with you for these one shot competitions that skaters just need to do better compared to their peers on the day that it matters - which isn't necessarily a fluke so to speak. But as audiences, it's hard to accept when the top favourites have a big melt down because we know they are capable of more and "better" on average.
  38. Marco

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    Yes. And like Nagasu, I think his fate is almost always going to be at the hands (or mood) of the caller.

    When I think of him, I immediately think of popped axels. Is this a fair impression?
  39. arakwafan2006

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    Quite a few when she was throwing 3/3 combo's left and right..
  40. Alixana

    Alixana recovering Oly-holic

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    As a one off only if Patrick has a really bad competition .. permanently only if Patrick retires. But Kevin has to stay healthy as well.