Can Hanyu and Murakami make the world team this year & if so, who would they replace?

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  1. pinky166

    pinky166 Well-Known Member

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    lowtherlore ITA. I tend to think Mao and Miki will be there, especially if Miki is skating well this season.
  2. Lainerb

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    We have already seen Miki land 2axel+3toe at Japan Open this season and she looks to be attempting 3z+3l again based off exhibition performances of her SP. With the current state of ladies unless Kim or Rochette go to Worlds then really Ando is once again a favorite.
  3. lowtherlore

    lowtherlore New Member

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    I agree. Jumps alone, I think Ando is fundamentally better than Asada. She always was.
  4. miki88

    miki88 New Member

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    Lol, I am always amazed at your "insight" into what the Japanese skaters thinks and how the JSF works.
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  5. pinky166

    pinky166 Well-Known Member

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    Me too. Especially since she's worked a lot on her flexibility and spins recently, they are now up to snuff with the rest of the top ladies (not amazing, but not bad like in her earlier years). Plus she was pretty consistent with her jumps all last season.
  6. miki88

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    She was consistent but so lackluster. To a lesser extent, she shares the same problem as Flatt. And she did get dinged with underrotations. The new rules give her more points for that but the judges also seem to be more willing to give out calls. The judges will reward her only if the other top skaters don't perform up to par. Mirai has more of a chance than Miki, if she's consistent.
  7. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    If she is training still which she reportedly is Rochette would be crazy to not show up for Worlds this year the way things are now. However I think Kim will be in pretty good shape for Worlds. I have no idea what to expect from Mao anymore. Mirai is a question mark at this point but I agree if she skates well she has a very good shot.
  8. lowtherlore

    lowtherlore New Member

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    Yes her skating seems getting better overall. I think she can hold her own fine in any competition, if she stays in shape.
  9. Marco

    Marco Missing Ziggy

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    Ouch, but true. A Rachael Flatt with speed and power, and at times, nice footwork.
  10. blue_idealist

    blue_idealist Well-Known Member

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    No one's mentioned Fumie yet..
  11. JerseySlore

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    Is she even there?
  12. pinky166

    pinky166 Well-Known Member

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    Not to mention a beautiful face and sleek body build....because we all know that makes a difference whether we want to recognize it or not. Ando also tends to get pretty good PCS, certainly higher than Flatt's, and where World's is in Japan this season, I wouldn't be surprised if she was issued hometown bonus points.
  13. pinky166

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    The judges don't seem to have issues with letting Miki win competitions though. She was lackluster at the GPF and Olympics but her FS at Worlds I thought was quite good.
  14. miki88

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    And yet they let Lepisto on the podium.
    She was pretty lackluster all season. She only seemed good because the other top skaters were struggling quite a bit. Once the others got their form back by Olympics, Miki was overshadowed again. Anyways, she might get on the podium, but I don't think she's going to win barring a meltdown from others.
  15. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    Sure, over Leonova. :lol:
  16. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    Well nobody mentions Mira Leung either. They have about the same chance of making the World team for their respective countries this year.
  17. skateboy

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    Murakami, maybe. Hanyu, no.
  18. bek

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    You forgot to mention a Rachael Flatt with HUGE jumps too. Ando's jumps can really be spectacular when they are on. Don't think Ando was ever truly better than Mao. Mao has a special it quality with her gorgeous line and ability to listen to music than Miki has never had.
  19. Ziggy

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    Well unlike Ando, Lepisto has awesome basics and very well choreographed programs.

    And Ando has.... uhmmm.... jumps. A great deal of which are underrotated to a smaller or larger extent. :p

    :rofl:

    So EVILLE but so true. :D
  20. RumbleFish

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    I'm not sold on Murakami yet, but Ando will definitely get a spot.
    1. 4S<
    2. 3Lz-3L<
    3. Back loading of 5 jumping passes
    IMO, Asada doesn't stand a chance.
  21. Ziggy

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    I don't think Ando will be trying 4salchow again, I don't think she even practiced it much - if at all - last season.

    Although with the rules changes, maybe she resumed it again.
  22. allezfred

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    I must bookmark this thread so I can bring it up when 2011 Worlds comes round. :D
  23. Ziggy

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    You should totally revive it once Suguri, Suzuki, Imai, Machida, Takahashi and Mura end up making the Worlds team. :D
  24. MikiAndoFan#1

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    Why do you keep bringing up the 4S?

    :huh:
  25. pinky166

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    That was because Miki bombed the SP, she beat Lepisto by 7 points in the FS.

    I'm not so sure about this. With Joannie likely not there, Yuna competing for the 1st time this season, only one of Akiko or Murakami and 2 Americans there, if Mao is still imploding, it looks like Ando or Kostner have a good shot at the title, and Miki's chances are improved even more if Laura and Carolina are still being hampered by injuries.
  26. miki88

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    Well isn't that the same as everyone either being absent or having a meltdown? ;) Even if Yuna's not her best, I still she has to screw up pretty bad for either Ando or Kostner to get the title.
  27. Lainerb

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    I'd be thrilled to see Miki bring back the quad salchow. Her attempt at 2008 GPF under the current rules for downgrades would have still have given the attempt more credit than a 3lutz! If Miki can even do a cheated quad then it would be like having an extra 3lutz in her program.
  28. MikiAndoFan#1

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    I think it's too risky.

    :(
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    Don't downgrades need to have negative GOE now (unlike in the past season when judges were not told whether a jump was downgraded or not)? So in effect, a cheated salchow might not completely be beneficial.
  30. pinky166

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    Maybe...I'll say this, I think Miki has a great chance to MEDAL at Worlds this season, Kostner too if she's doing 3f and 3lz by then. Gold maybe isn't so likely for either, but a medal definitely. I feel like Suzuki doesn't really have a great shot at even winning a medal.
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    I think Kanako will have a chance to go to world, but only if JSF decide not to sent Mao(if is not likely to happen).

    For Hanyu with his underscore PSC, he will not be able to make world team.

    Machida might have a chance , but I still think JSF is going to let him wait for another year, regradless of his performance.:yawn:

    Let hope the one with best performance will be sent to world not the one with higher seniority or reputation.
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  32. miffy

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    After all the hype about her I was very disappointed when I saw Suzuki last season. I think she is good but nothing really special. I certainly don't see her as being anywhere near certain to make the world team, and personally I'd like to see someone else make it.
  33. judgejudy27

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    Agreed. She is overrated. People just like the underdog story. At her best she is just solid and at her worst she can be a disaester.
  34. museksk8r

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    What I'm wondering is if Asada tanks again at her next GP event and does the same at Nationals, what will the JPN federation do? Could it be like 2005 when Fumie had to defeat Yoshie at 4CC for a spot on the World team? What :drama: that would be!
  35. miki88

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    Why are you even entertaining such gloomy thoughts? :drama:
  36. Ziggy

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    Well so we now know that Oda will most likely make the team. He seems to be in great shape.

    Assuming she rotates more than 3.5, count this:

    0.7 x 4S base value - 3 (-4 if she falls)

    She can skate to the music, which is very special as far as Ladies are concerned. :p

    Because at current stage, it's very likely to happen.
  37. miki88

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    Let's just wait and see. I do remember similar speculation taking place last season.
  38. judgejudy27

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    Just because he had one decent competition where he still lost to a 4 fall Patrick Chan? Oda is always in great shape physically, mentally is another matter. He actually usually looks better than he did at Skate Canada at this point in the season and goes down from here.
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    Kozuka surely loses to 5 falls PChan. Since last season, Oda has scored higher than Kozuka's Seasons Best at every competition except one (Torino worlds).
  40. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    If past history is any indication Oda is losing to 4 fall Chan while skating alot better than he will in January since his skating is always better in October than in January.