This season, there have been an awful lot of controversial flips and lutzes and I'm curious as to what people think a caller should look for when identifying a jump. When it comes to these two toe jumps, there are traditional entrance techniques that have become standard since the early days of the sport. For example, a three turn entrance just before picking in to a flip jump, or a long held back edge going into a lutz jump. Other skaters prefer a mohawk entrance, with a quicker entry into a flip, and a slight delay on a lutz. We saw Alena Leonova essentially doing three flips throughout the GP series, and (IMO) arbitrarily calling one of them a lutz. We saw Brian Joubert do a triple "lip" in the sp at Worlds and WTT that he simply put down as a "lutz" on his sheet. Hanyu's triple flip and lutz are indistinguishable to me. Do these techniques matter when it comes to classifying a jump, or is it simply the edge at the take-off point that defines a lutz from a flip? And if that is the case, wouldn't the "e" mark be irrelevant? In my mind, it should be clear long before the toe picks in what jump a skater is attempting. I also think that holding a back edge and having some degree of a BO edge before or during the toe pick DOES make a "flutz" more difficult than a regular flip. IMO, the setups for jumps DO matter, but I'd love to hear other opinions.