Caitlin Yankowskas on Ice Partner Search

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by jkl, Mar 19, 2013.

  1. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2002
    Messages:
    20,569
    Morgan Matthews wanted a release to skate for Azerbaijan and later to skate for Canada (IIRC) and USFS kept refusing her. She lawyered up but didn't manage to get the release ever IIRC.

    She was a Junior World Champion, however. Yankowskas never medalled at ISU Championships, did she?
  2. maureenfarone

    maureenfarone Active Member

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2002
    Messages:
    922
    :wall: How sad and frustrating. After listening to her interview with Jenny Kirk I thought things must be working out. I actually saw Caitlin and Joshua skate last year at the Skate for Hope show in June and the sp at Skate for Detroit in July and they appeared really rough. He seemed extremely nervous and stiff with no expression and she had jump problems. I thought it was just because they needed more time together. Whole thing is really sad.
  3. TwizzlerS

    TwizzlerS Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2002
    Messages:
    1,482
    I'm glad you said this. I had the same impression from watching the youtube clips including the one taken from a distance at the Galleria in Dallas. He looked like he was totally uninterested in skating.
  4. 2sk8

    2sk8 Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2004
    Messages:
    761
    A bronze at Cup of China was the closest, I think.

    I recalled Matthews, but haven't looked up whether the rules are exactly the same now. I recalled some tightening on citizenship issues, but flexibility on Pairs/Dance & some discussion about the goal not being to allow a federation to stop a skater from ever competing again. Just haven't had time to look it all up in the last couple of days!

    Jarrett- in simple terms, yes, it is the process of being permitted to skate for another country, and the wait time varies based on whether the skater competed internationally for a country and whether it is singles or pairs/dance. The ISU has a rule & communication (1420, IIRC) about it, but member federations add their own "layer" of requirements. USFS, oddly IMO, may have "policies," but it isn't part of their published Rulebook. Worse, ISU doesn't have any deadlines for acting (like 30 days from receipt...), so it really can just be a big mess.
  5. euterpe

    euterpe Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2003
    Messages:
    11,860
    Josh Regan skated stiffly with no expression when he was with Ashley Cain. Ashley was definitely the star of that pairing.
  6. dots

    dots Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2002
    Messages:
    1,249
    You know it would be so much easier if she could snatch a partner from someone else...


    Desperate times call for desperate measures. :shuffle:
  7. olympic

    olympic Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2004
    Messages:
    6,959
    I'm NOT surprised by this at all for some reason. IDK - all the withdrawals last season.

    FWIW, I recall a poster some time ago stated that Josh was a handful to work with. There may have been buyer's regret on Caitlin's part.
  8. orbitz

    orbitz Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2004
    Messages:
    9,814
    Maybe it's just time for her to move on :shuffle:
  9. dots

    dots Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2002
    Messages:
    1,249
    If Rockne was able to comeback twice, why not Caitlin?
  10. figureit

    figureit New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2012
    Messages:
    125
    I would hope she can but Rockne has had partners and competed. Caitlin really hasn't. She had a partner but they did not really ever get off the ground competing. She's been gone and not competed. It is different and sad:(
  11. reese

    reese Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2004
    Messages:
    3,368
    ???

    Her most recent partner didn't work out and they didn't compete for the season they were training together. With her previous partner she was National champion. Not sure how that qualifies as "really hasn't" competed or how it's that different from all the partners Rockne has been through. Every time Rockne loses a partner there is an outpouring of support here on FSU and blame is never assigned to him and I cant remember anyone ever suggesting he just pack it up... Yet for Caitlin, arguably the most talented American female pairs skater of the last 10 years, posters are quick to say "well, maybe it's just time to move on."
  12. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2002
    Messages:
    20,569
    She's tall for a pair skater and she was never a very strong jumper.
  13. LilJen

    LilJen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2006
    Messages:
    9,252
    I still vote for a Ben Okolski comeback. Then we could have another pairs team with rude Eastern Euro roots and long unpronounceable last names (Yankowskas/Okolski) :)
  14. Jayar

    Jayar Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2001
    Messages:
    8,602
    That ship has sailed.
  15. blue_idealist

    blue_idealist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2007
    Messages:
    2,103
    Actually, a lot of people have blamed Rockne. Someone said that he was an *sshole in the last thread.
  16. LilJen

    LilJen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2006
    Messages:
    9,252
    Oh, I know. He retired, they've been in the same place for 2 years now, and I don't even know if they're really suited to each other, but hey, I can dream, no?
  17. DarrellH

    DarrellH New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2007
    Messages:
    4,763
    I have a feeling we will be very surprised by her next partner. No, I don't have any idea who. It is just a feeling I have.

    I was really looking forward to seeing them compete.
  18. figureit

    figureit New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2012
    Messages:
    125

    DO elaborate on your feeling. I have had a feeling about that too and was wondering if we are thinking along the same lines.
  19. orbitz

    orbitz Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2004
    Messages:
    9,814
    Rockny has always had a more realistic chance of being back on the elite competitive scene than Caitlin; He did do that and was quite successful with Mary Beth and now has another realistic shot with yet a new partner. Caitlin hasn't been anywhere close to being seriously back on the elite competitive scene since her partnership broke up. With the lack of talented male pair skaters to choose from, her chance of coming back get dimmer and dimmer as each season passes. A similar thing happened to Drew Meekins, and fans were posting the "time to move on" phrase when threads popped up about his status.
  20. DarrellH

    DarrellH New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2007
    Messages:
    4,763
    Wasn't Drew still looking, recently?
  21. LilJen

    LilJen Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2006
    Messages:
    9,252
    HE'S TOO SHORT, HE'S TOO SHORT, HE'S TOO SHORT (and slight). :deadhorse: Lather, rinse, repeat.
  22. DarrellH

    DarrellH New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2007
    Messages:
    4,763
    LOL! Not suggesting him, but was just asking if he was recently searching for someone.
  23. dots

    dots Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2002
    Messages:
    1,249
    It's Andrew Speroff isn't it???

    Gretchen!!!! :wuzrobbed
  24. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2002
    Messages:
    20,569
    I think she's going to retire and skate on a cruise ship. :p

    Honestly, most people really need a reality check regarding Yankowskas. She's pretty and she was an elegant skater but she doesn't have the stick thin, tiny pre-pubescent girl body that is optimal for pairs and she was never a very strong or consistent jumper.
    Habs and (deleted member) like this.
  25. orbitz

    orbitz Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2004
    Messages:
    9,814
    ^ ITA. That's why I don't understand praises for Yankowskas such as she is "arguably the most talented American female pairs skater of the last 10 years." Seriously?
    Habs and (deleted member) like this.
  26. Sayana_mnk

    Sayana_mnk Member

    Joined:
    May 22, 2010
    Messages:
    285
    Well, I am sure it must be a mistake...but it is interesting that Yakowskas' IPS profile lists dance under the "wants to compete" section rather than pairs.
  27. figureit

    figureit New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2012
    Messages:
    125
    Honestly, most people really need a reality check regarding Yankowskas. She's pretty and she was an elegant skater but she doesn't have the stick thin, tiny pre-pubescent girl body that is optimal for pairs and she was never a very strong or consistent jumper.[/QUOTE]

    Wow that is a little rough...yikes.

    On another forum discussing this some of the comments were:

    "Josh Regan has already found another partner". I heard it was Andrea Popst

    "This is the third time Caitlin has been replaced".

    "I'm really curious as to what caused this split....Seriously, what happened?
    From what I have heard, Reagan does not have the best work ethic and apparently he and Caitlin had many disagreements on the ice".

    Maybe there is some truth to this. In pairs I can imagine if the couple had different focuses and work ethics it could cause a lot of problems. I have heard that Popst had issues with that as well and often times would not show at the rink during training and it caused issues. That was on a forum so I guess it is hearsay but if it is true....maybe they are better matched together P/R. Not everyone has to skate every second. Everyone trains differently so maybe it is better for him and Caitlin needs a partner who really really wants it and is a good compliment for her in more than just looks. I can't help saying that Rockne would be good. He can obviously skate with someone her size as Keauna was the exact same. He is extremely focused and is tough I hear with training. He has a strong work ethic. I know he is short but he's done it before. I know he is with Davis but you never know so maybe?? I also think Mark Ludwig would be a great way to get back into skating right now too but truly Mark and Lindsey should have stayed together. With fourth at Nationals that gave them a boost. :hat1:

    The Merry-GO- Round is just starting with pairs too so who knows??? Anything is possible I guess.:D
  28. jdonavan

    jdonavan New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2006
    Messages:
    193
    THIS THIS THIS! My guess, she will never touch the competitive ice again. And really folks, Andrew Speroff? lol
  29. stjeaskategym

    stjeaskategym Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2002
    Messages:
    1,277
    How are they the exact same? Caitlin is 5'3". Keauna was barely over 5'0". 5'3" girls don't tend to partner with 5'8" guys, especially when they aren't twigs. So many people have mentioned Rockne for Caitlin, it's unbelievable. I guess because she was partnered with the 6'2" John Coughlin so many people have a warped idea of her size?
    Last edited: Mar 22, 2013
  30. Skittl1321

    Skittl1321 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2007
    Messages:
    11,072
    Maybe she has realized her time in pairs has passed and is just trying to find a way to stay on the ice?

    A height of 5'3" isn't a liability in dance at all, like it appears to be in pairs. However, the US has a pretty deep pairs field, so it will be tough to break into.

    However, you may be right it is a mistake, because she says she wants to compete senior dance, and lists no tests at all. I guess if we start hearing about her taking dance tests, we'll know if it is true. I'm surprised she doesn't have at least the first few dance tests. Pretty much every skater I know has dabbled in dance enough to take the preliminary test by the time they get to novice or junior free.
  31. kirkbiggestfan

    kirkbiggestfan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2003
    Messages:
    2,211
    Tiffany Stiegler and Fedor Andreev switched to dance in their twenties under the supervison of Zoueva...I hope it is a typo too, but it may not be after all.
  32. antmanb

    antmanb Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2006
    Messages:
    3,246
    Oleg Protopopov?
  33. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

    Joined:
    May 27, 2002
    Messages:
    29,986
    If you copy comments from another board to this one, you really should include the link: http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/showthread.php?40570-Yankowskas-on-IPS!

    It must be a simple mistake since Yankowskas doesn't mention switching to dance in her profile comments.
    Last edited: Mar 22, 2013
  34. analia

    analia Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2012
    Messages:
    134
    With all the expensive gifts Josh had bought Caitlin (and vice versa) I think these two don't need skating as much as those in direr financial situation.
  35. Mayra

    Mayra Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2001
    Messages:
    7,596
    Yeah, because Caitlin and Josh are taking away precious endorsements and financial opportunities that might otherwise have gone to other pair skaters?

    Pair skating in America being the lucrative business that it is now...
    :shuffle: :confused:
  36. kwanfan1818

    kwanfan1818 I

    Joined:
    May 24, 2003
    Messages:
    19,357
    That may have been before the exception provision, where the ISU (Council) could force a release between 2-3 seasons. An inner USFS group decided to keep Matthews for a full four years, which was protested in a general meeting, but the protest got nowhere.

    After that she medalled at 4C's in 2006, which was going to be the start timer the four seasons she'd be on hold. In typical hypocritical USFS fashion, USFS released the partner with whom she won JWC and the 4C's silver, and Zavozin was competing at Europeans a little less than two years after the break-up, not four seasons.
  37. julieann

    julieann Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2010
    Messages:
    3,538
    To Yankowska's credit her and John were only together for about 4 seasons and really didn't have a good season until 2010-11. 6th at Worlds, 4th at 4CC, 3rd and 4th on the Grand Prix and they won nationals. She's not yet 23 so there's no reason she can't hold out hope for another partner, she is a great skater. I hate to see skaters like her and Maria Mukhortova not be able to skate for lack of partners.
  38. Vash01

    Vash01 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2001
    Messages:
    25,103
    IIRC Natalia Mishkutenok was bigger than Caitlyn (sp?)Yankowskas, yet she was a very successful pairs skater. Of course it helped that Artur Dmitriev was her partner. He could even lift a man- off ice! I don't think Yankowskas is too big for a pairs skater. She just needs the right partner but she may be running out of time at this point. It may really be time for her to consider partners outside of the USA.
  39. Skittl1321

    Skittl1321 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2007
    Messages:
    11,072
    I think most pairs men can do this. At least, based on the facebook pictures I see- it appears to be the thing to do when they drink...
    I don't think many of them can throw each other in triple twists though- that seems to be where size is the biggest issue.
  40. stjeaskategym

    stjeaskategym Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2002
    Messages:
    1,277
    Of course she isn't. Volosozhar is 5'3". She just needs a solidly built 6 fter (preferably taller), and we all know how plentiful they are.