Brian Joubert article in L'Equipe; his withdrawal from Skate America announced

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  1. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Re-posting from the GP Assignments thread - these 2 news items are not related but I thought a new thread was deserved.

    USFS tweeted today:
    "NEWS: 2007 World Champion Brian Joubert has withdrawn from #SA2013"
    (No reason given)

    L'Equipe article was published today, Oct. 14:
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  2. peibeck

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  3. jkl

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    Is it too late for a replacement?
  4. Dr.Siouxs

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    Joubert for porno contract :mitchell:

    Sign the petition :soapbox:
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  5. NadineWhite

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    Very sad news, au revoir Brian. :(

    hmmm, wonder why he withdrew though? :confused:

    ps: I know Brian has said in the past his goal is to be the first skater to have won golds in each GP, and the only one missing on his resume is COC...
  6. Liz V

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    Ahhh! Very sad we won't get to see him!
  7. Zemgirl

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    Mama Mitchell would be appalled by this use of her emoticon!

    Anyway, apparently he has galas lined up for next year so that's a no go :p

    Is that SFW?
  8. Lacey

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    That's what I want to know...fill in the blanks
  9. Zemgirl

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    According to L'Equipe, this is the FFSG's doing. Is that even allowed, to WD a skater who is assigned and plans to go? As a top-12 finisher at Worlds, Joubert has earned two assignments; is this something that's at the discretion of the federations?
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    http://www.lequipe.fr/Patinage-artistique/Actualites/Joubert-sanctionne/408965

    L'Equipe is reporting that he was withdrawn from SA as a sanction for not attending Masters:

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  11. peibeck

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    :eek: How rude of the FFSG to deprive me of seeing Baboo!

    Time for Gailhaguet to go to the guillotine!!! :mitchell:
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    A Joubert/Marchei team would be interesting, whether competitive or exhibition. Didn't they date in the past? I hope he doesn't have any further problems with the French federation, especially with the Olympics coming up.
  13. Zemgirl

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    I still don't understand how this is the FFSG's call to make. This isn't some kind of national event, it's a GP organized by another federation to which Joubert was assigned based on his placement at Worlds. I don't get how this is their assignment to control.

    I suppose Joubert is being made an example of to show the other French skaters what happens when you don't do exactly as you're told.
  14. Iceman

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    Why didn't he just go ahead and skate at the Orleans Masters?
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    Unfortunate
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    Brian Joubert was invited by the ISU to compete in the Grand Prix, as he finished in the top 12 at Worlds as stated above. I also think that the Federations only can decide the spots for their home skaters when they host an event, but they cannot decide about the other entries in the Grand Prix. If this story is indeed true, it will be interesting if the ISU reacts in any way. They are probably not amused. Or what happens if Joubert complains to the ISU?
  18. leapfrogonice

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    Such ridiculous abuse of a system during a season during which so many athletes are putting their all into the possibility that they might have an opportunity to compete at a Grand Prix and perform for an international audience during the season when the sport gets the most attention.

    Instead of attention to the fine athletes and skating, there is this pathological indulgence it almost seems, whereby the conversations and focus instead will be away from the ice, to the federations and their leaders, to controversies and missed/messed up opportunities.

    I do hope they are able to mobilize the alternate for this event.
  19. joeperryfan

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    Why would the FFSG care so much about Brian attending Masters to the point of sanctioning him for missing it? Maybe this is just a lot of smoke and mirrors so that it doesn't seem like all French men are not in top shape at the moment and it's just meanie federation acting up instead. After the Anissina comeback story I expect anything really...
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    Technically the Federations are responsible for communicating withdrawals from the ISU, and if there are any French Federation ground rules preventing them from withdrawing Joubert, I'm not sure they are worth any more of the rules DG has flaunted during his presidency. I suppose Joubert could have gone to court, but SA would be over by then -- he expected his ticket to show up today, and Gailhauguet was clearly withholding the info from him -- and it doesn't sound like he is interested in fighting Gailhaguet at this point.

    It worked out for the SA organizers in that Joubert probably sold most of the tickets he would have sold to the event already, and by considering it as early as the 5 October, in the period for which there are no guidelines or requirements for replacements, but announcing it late, USFS does not have to make a replacement. They could choose a cheaper one, Rogozine, and avoid inviting one of the skaters who train in Russia -- it takes Ge a century to get a visa to anywhere -- but at this point, they probably won't have to.
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    I haven't heard of anything like this happening before. Is Masters a required competition for French skaters? When a federation is unhappy with a skater for doing something wrong, don't they usually just fine them monetarily (i.e. Rachael Flatt for going to Worlds injured)? This hurts the FFSG's image and the French team in the long run by depriving Brian of an opportunity to compete his programs in front on international judges during the Olympic season.

    Also, if they were considering this since the Masters competition, couldn't they have withdrawn him earlier so that Skate America organizers could line up an alternate with more advance notice?
  22. misskarne

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    I think if the reason Joubert cited for not attending this competition was inadequate preparation, then the French fed had every right to say, "Well, if you're not adequately prepared TWO WEEKS before Skate America, you're not going". However it would have been nice if they'd said something earlier. Can the alternate get there in time?
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    No. Not always, even if there was an explicit rule about competing in the Masters, and if there was an explicit rule, then Joubert wouldn't have been surprised that he was withdrawn. (Flatt violated a USFS rule outright.) Maybe, not the Gailhauget would agree, or if he did, that he would care. Possibly: 5 October was not 14+ days before the SA Team Leaders Meeting on Thursday, 17 October, during which time a replacement is allegedly mandatory, and the GP Announcement says nothing about replacements for withdrawals between 7 and 14 days before the Team Leaders Meeting, which, for SA, would have been 4-9 October. The SA organizers might have been happy about the later withdrawal, because it costs less $$ if they don't have to replace him.

    USFS could get an alternative to Detroit logistically, a major US airline hub, by Wednesday, but since the WD was within 7 days of the Team Leaders Meeting this Thursday, the ISU will likely say they don't have to. (This is in the GP Announcement.) Majorov is already there, I don't know what the visa issues would be for the two Russian skaters in the Top Five -- I think not enough time to process one starting now, and there's nothing explicit that says that alternates have to start the visa process rolling in advance -- but Rogozine could get to Detroit easily and cheaply from Toronto with no visa issues, if that makes sense for his training plan, and since he's at SC the following week, he or Skate Canada on his behalf could decline because of back-to-back events.
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  24. joeperryfan

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    Put that way it makes more sense, the article gives it a completely different tone however and I do wonder if that just came from the journalist or if it was planted that way on purpose. I'm sorry, my brain sees conspiracies easily at 11 pm, don't mind me. ;)
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    If ever a "Death in my soul" emoticon was needed, it would be now.
  26. Made4Dancin

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    I jumped at the chance to buy tickets for this event because Joubert and Takahashi were on the list. The fact that Joubert isn't going and it's not his idea makes me absolutely livid. If anyone ever wonders what happened to figure skating in the United States, it's stuff like this. Federations out of control deciding the athletes fate instead of letting them decide on the ice. :mad:

    I will only ever go to a figure skating event again if it's extremely convenient and cheap. :bribe:
  27. kwanette

    kwanette Fetalized since 1998

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    I'm confused. Please explain what I bolded.
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    Like Zemgirl, I'm startled at how this whole thing played out. I'm going to presume there's more to the story than just simple punishment, but I'm rather afraid there isn't.
  29. Ziggy

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    Wow... Gailhaguet really needs to be guillotined asap. This madness has to stop!
  30. TalentedButHumble

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    Noooooooo! My 1st chance to see a comp in years & years, and he & Takahashi were among the biggest draws. (Wait, Daisuke is still scheduled, right?)
  31. Made4Dancin

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    @kwanette

    What happened to figure skating in the US is the blatant cheating and behind the scenes shenanigans. Americans as bad as we're supposed to be want our sports to be fair. When you follow a sport that seems corrupt at every turn and then an athlete isn't allowed to compete in a competition for spiteful reasons, it's beyond not fair. This is an international sport so people can be fans of anyone from anywhere. We see what happens to them. If Brian Joubert or any other athlete is to compete in an American competition and is not allowed to go, after we spent our money on it, and the American organizers can't or won't do anything about it then it means we should reconsider ever buying tickets from the organization again. I don't want to support corruption with my money. I've been dumb enough to do it this long, but no more.
  32. LilJen

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    YES.

    This bites. And I'm not even a fan, really, but the guy is frickin' legendary and I wanted to see him skate!
  33. Ziggy

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    You buy a ticket for a competition and not for seeing specific skaters, because there is about a million reasons for why certain skaters might not be able to compete.

    American organisers won't do anything about it because how the French federation governs itself is not within their jurisdiction.
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    And you're NEVER coming back right?
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  35. jiejie

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    A rather baffling, nonsensical rant. Exactly what do you expect the American organizers to do about this? Send in the US Air Force to kidnap Joubert in France and spirit him back to Skate America to compete? Drop a bomb on Galhaiguet? (Come to think of it, those aren't half bad ideas....:D Or do you just want your ticket money refunded? Anybody who buys a ticket to a skating competition anywhere knows that there are always potential last minute circumstances that cause a skater to withdraw, and nothing is guaranteed. It's just the reasons for this withdrawal seem to be cruel, nasty, and punitive, at least from the public press we've seen so far. If he was pulled for lack of readiness, it should have been done a couple of weeks ago. I think the USFS would much rather have a full complement of 10 men rather than an absentee place, so I don't see any skullduggery going on there and have to assume they'd rather have had time to fill Joubert's place. I find it hard to believe they were notified in time per ISU rules and chose to "sit on" naming a replacement.
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  36. misskarne

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    If he wasn't ready for a little tiny comp TWO WEEKS AGO, what on earth would make him think he would be ready for a Grand Prix event this week?

    Think about it. Almost every single one of his competitors at SkAm we've seen at least once competing this season (and some twice). Have we seen Joubert yet? No. Did his fans really want to see him come to SkAm and be underdone?
  37. Made4Dancin

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    Honestly, I don't think what I wrote is that difficult to understand. Americans want a fair sport. Casual fans aren't going to pay for something that doesn't seem fair. That's why this sport continues to lose money in this country and is relegated to 2 hours of coverage on major networks. No one seems to think what happened to Joubert is fair.

    How is that confusing?
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    Maybe he didn't go to the little tiny comp two weeks ago because it was exactly that - a little tiny comp? And maybe he wanted to save his energy for the big comp this week? And now it appears the heavy hand of punishment has come down. Unfortunately, everyone gets punished - the skater, and the fans who were looking forward to seeing him skate. Folks are disappointed, as would be expected. There's not really anything that anyone can do about it, though.
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    In case anyone else was wondering, the rather draconian rules limiting GP withdrawals apply only to seeded skaters (top 6 from Worlds + comeback skaters). Since Joubert placed 9th at Worlds, he is an "invited skater" not a seeded skater, so apparently he can withdraw for any reason. He is not allowed a replacement event.

    The Organizer (in this case USFS) is required to invite an alternate if the withdrawal happens more than 7 days before the event. When it is less than 7 days, they fill it if the logistics can get worked out. Anyone know who are presently the top 5 on the alternates list for men? (There was a GP alternates thread here last season, but I could not find one for this year.)
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    I almost hope that it is Joubert himself who wants to withdraw from SA and the report of "punishment" is incorrect. If it were true, the French Federation is even more screwed up than I thought possible. Hmm... If the federation really is this screwed up, I feel bad for the current crop of French skaters. It's bad enough to belong to a small federation and get very little support, but to be stabbed in the back by your own federation ...