Breeder's Cup 2011

Discussion in 'Other Sports' started by skipaway, Nov 4, 2011.

  1. skipaway

    skipaway Well-Known Member

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    Well, and they're off! Winner of Juvenile Spring was Baffert's horse Secret Circle. All over the place in the stretch but good win.

    Go Stopshoppingmaria in the Juv. filly's turf!!
     
  2. danceronice

    danceronice Corgi Wrangler

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    Alas, nipped at the wire by Stephanies Kitten.

    Good racing so far today!
     
  3. skipaway

    skipaway Well-Known Member

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    Scratch of Announce in the F&M Turf for bumping into the on track ambulance. She was very keyed up and as is customary for the European horses, without a lead pony.

    Was hoping Shared Account would pull off another win, but alas, not to be.
     
  4. sk8pics

    sk8pics Well-Known Member

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    Enjoyable races. I know someone who was there, right on the rail at the finish line. Looking forward to seeing today's races.... But it all makes me miss Queen Z....
     
  5. danceronice

    danceronice Corgi Wrangler

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    Forget Zenyatta, it's Goldikova's day! NO HORSE has ever won four Breeder's Cup races. If she can pull it off...(Though, to be honest, my "money", or rather my Little Red Feather Racing BC compeititon pick, is on Gio Ponti, but I won't be sad to be wrong.)

    And there IS a girl in Classic--if anything Havre de Grace will probably go off as the favorite or close to it. If you like charming stories there's Flat Out, if you'd like to see a female jocke win the Classic Chantal is on Game On Dude, if you are smoking mind-altering substances and think Uncle Mo has a chance, you're probably Mike Repole...(Seriously. And "Could beat Frankel at a mile?" Dude, ship him over and find out. I wouldn't be holding my breath.)
     
  6. skipaway

    skipaway Well-Known Member

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    :fragile: Edgar Prado and Hoofit missing the turn and taking Havelock with them. Edgar's only race of the day. :fragile:

    Uncle Mo should be in the Dirt Mile, not the Classic. Repole should know better. Of course, he's living in a dream world if he thinks Frankel's such a pushover.
     
  7. aka_gerbil

    aka_gerbil Rooting for the Underdogs

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    Hee. I feel like I'm the only KY native who hates the Breeder's Cup. It's all due to scheduling though. My family has dairy cattle. We show cows at the North American International Livestock Expo, which is going on in Louisville right now. (I'm actually on my laptop, at the fairgrounds, about 10 feet away from a few of our cows right now.) This is the 38th year for the expo, so we've been here longer. It makes it a pain in the rear trying to find hotel rooms and to go out to eat with two major livestock events going on at the same time. I wish they'd move the timing of the Breeders Cup just a little bit.
     
  8. skipaway

    skipaway Well-Known Member

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    Wow, Aiden O'Brian's little boy has won the Breeder's Cup Turf! A 3 million dollar race. Great job and a fabulous race.
    I always enjoy the Euros. Midday, Sea Moon and Sarafina just kicking up their heals and being obstreporous in the post parade. Just glad they moved the ambulance so there wasn't a repeat of yesterday's problem.
     
  9. skipaway

    skipaway Well-Known Member

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    Goldikova, no matter how much I love her, should have been taken down from 3rd. She totally interfered with Courageous Cat and about 2 others down the stretch. They had no chance after that.

    Incredible race by Hansen in the Juvenile. I don't think he'll be able to go 1 1/4 miles though.
     
  10. skipaway

    skipaway Well-Known Member

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    Congrats to Drosselmeyer! Feel bad for Chantal getting beat by her ex. but Game On Dude put up a great fight. Uncle Mo and Stay Thirsty, Mike Repole/Pletcher's horses came in 2nd and 3rd to last :yikes:

    Another good day with lots of upsets and high payoffs.
     
  11. danceronice

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    aka_gerbil: 1. I'm betting that the Breeders Cup makes them more money, and 2. It'll be at Santa Anita again next year so you'll be all right.

    I didn't see the inquiry--new neighbor had someone cutting a tree, it hit the power line and blew a transformer RIGHT after the Mile, so I didn't see the Classic either until TVG reran it.:mad: Gee, Uncle Mo didn't win. I'm stunned. Think they'll send him to meet Frankel and prove he can beat him at the mile distance? I was rooting for Chantal, but at least she'll get a nice paycheck out of the second-place purse.

    My highlight of the day was Joseph O'Brien on St. Nicholas Abbey. Especially since the kid is clearly not long for flat racing (especially if he's STILL growing!) Crowning Moment of Heartwarming.
     
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  12. liv

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    Awesome for Mike Smith to win on Drossselmeyer, but did anyone else get the feeling he'd almost rather trade this win in for a win last year with Zenyatta?
     
  13. sk8pics

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    Yes, it seemed a little like that.

    Goldikova, :fragile: I was also surprised they didn't disqualify her. I remember her from last year, she looked so petite and dainty when she walked by me.

    I was a bit meh about the races this year. I was bummed for Union Rags, he tried so hard and had to run so far! Well, maybe he will win the derby. I don't think any of the horses I was pulling for won any of their races. This sport will really break your heart.
     
  14. AragornElessar

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    First off...What a great day of racing. Didn't get to see any of yesterday's action, as Ladies Day at the BC wasn't shown on Cdn TV. At least, not on anything on our dish that I could see. I hate that.

    What a day today though. No shortage of great stories and amazing outcomes. That one race that ended being won by a nose...Now *that's* what keeps me coming back when it comes to Horse Racing. What a great race and moment that was. :D

    ITA w/the thoughts on Goldikova. Regardless, what a way to go out on. Instead of a clean third place and securing her rightful place in History, Goldie's final race ever ends in controversy. A shame. :(

    However...

    Could not agree more w/this!! And as my Dad said, it's stuff like this and the experience of it all, that's going to be one heck of a foundation for the Kid if he does indeed end up becoming a Trainer like his Dad. Still, I thought I heard the commentators say he could still compete in Steeplechasing for a few years longer than the flat track. Did I understand that right?

    It really was beyond a fantastic race and *the* moment of the day for me too. :D
     
  15. skipaway

    skipaway Well-Known Member

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    Yep, he's getting too tall to be a jockey and will be riding Steeplechase for the next few years. That was a great story.

    eta...heard Joey O'Brien already is 5'11" and 122lbs!
     
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  16. danceronice

    danceronice Corgi Wrangler

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    Yes, if Joseph O'Brien wants to keep riding he can switch to the jump races/National Hunt--they carry higher imposts. (130+ isn't unheard of.) But if he's really as heavy as they say already he BARELY made weights today--122 or 125, I've heard, and that's heavy enough the might not even have had to add lead. He's much too big to race most horses--my own retired Allowance/Claimer ran for five years and never carried more than 117. Flat races don't carry much and the babies can go down to 105-110. He's already very, very limited in what he can ride on the flat.
     
  17. Vagabond

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    The weights assigned to horses are considerably higher than those assigned in North America. As Joseph O'Brien said in his interview, as long as he stays at around nine stone (126 lbs.), he can continue to ride on the flat. However, he does acknowledge that it is inevitable that he will grow heavier, as men normally do in their twenties.

    I wish North American tracks would learn a thing or two from their European counterparts when it comes to weight assignments. Expecting grown men to ride at 114 lbs. or thereabouts only encourages eating disorders.
     
  18. danceronice

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    OTOH, expecting a two- or three-year-old average TB to go full racing tilt lugging 130+ isn't really fair either. I do think the older handicap horses should make a habit of carrying 125+ if they're good. (That's why I'll never rank Secretariat as highly as Man o' War or Citation--they both carried much heavier imposts and while Man o' War retired at three, as they could have reasonably expected 140+ his four year old season, Citation raced at five and they had to pack 135 pounds on him for him to get nipped at the wire coming off an injury.) And of course our horses race mostly on dirt or synthetic and are expected to set faster times rather than slow routes on grass. Dirt's harder (look at the Euros crapping out in the Marathon on Churchill's surface, though in fairness hte word of the day for track conditions was "peanut butter", at least down on the rail.)
     
  19. Vagabond

    Vagabond Well-Known Member

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    Let's be realistic.

    Danedream (the winner of this year's Arc) carried 118 lbs. against colts in her first race as a two-year-old at an obscure provincial track in France last year. The colts carried 121. In her second race, a minor stakes race in Germany, the fillies carried between 118 and 123 and the colts carried between 121 and 128.

    Snow Fairy (third to Danedream in the Arc) carried 126 lbs. in a minor stakes race for fillies in her last race before winning last year's Oaks, as did all of the others except one, who carried 129 lbs.

    Maybe the higher weights engender a different racing style, with horses going full tilt only in the closing stages, but they are obviously nothing that the horses can't handle. And I'd rather have slower times than jockeys suffering from bulimia and anorexia. :scream:
     
  20. Ziggy

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    Breeder's Cup - sounds like a title of a porn film. :p
     
  21. Rottie

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    I've wondered if asking horses to carry higher weights wouldn't encourage breeding and training for more durability instead of just speed. I think that would be a good thing.
     
  22. danceronice

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    US races are shorter and almost exclusively on dirt or synthetic. That's not changing any time soon and favors lighter weights. (And even synthetics are still kind of dubious--Santa Anita ripped theirs up and put dirt back after lots of horses were having soft-tissue injuries.) The slow times on grass don't sell over here. About the only thing worse to wind up with is a turf SPRINTER as if they're not stakes quality there's nowhere to go. So Uncle Mo is probably going to command a high stud fee, while a horse like Fort Prado (stakes winner, son of El Prado, raced until eight) is only $3k and in Illinois to boot.

    You can't pack weight on two-year-olds. The jockeys can make their own decisions, the horses can't. And of course it's not just two-year-olds or the stakes races that are on TV maybe four days a year. The jockeys have to make weights on older claimers and allowance horses (the real bread and butter of the sport) who are in the 112-120 range. Those are the horses who race for years and keep the tracks in business. CAN they carry more? Yes. Can they carry more and maintain racing speeds without increased risk of damage? Not a good idea.

    I'd like to see the best horses getting asked for more weight. Not that there's been a flat racer in years who NEEDS 130+ packed on to make it fair... I don't want to see a $10000 claimer asked to carry more than Secretariat.
     
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