Books moral and immoral

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  1. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa Épaulement!!!

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    Thanks for that, will check them out. Amazon.fr is very annoying.
     
  2. Nomad

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    De rien. I like Adler's. Although they're not a traditional brick-and-mortar bookstore, they would let me come into their warehouse and shop whenever I was in Evanston.
     
  3. galaxygirl

    galaxygirl Ma name's Beckeh

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    The Rules of Civility by Amor Towles is $2.99 for both the Nook and Kindle editions, today only.
     
  4. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa Épaulement!!!

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    As soon as I bitched about amazon.fr being slow, my book arrived! :)

    I put the Best Mysteries on hold for a while and am into the 1st Maigret novel. Now I am starting to understand why Tinami dislikes him! While Poirot and Holmes have refinement along with their eccentricities, Maigret is rather working class. I am reading the novel called Pietr le Letton where Maigret is keeping an eye on a suspect in a luxurious hotel. Maigret sticks out like a sore thumb amid all the luxury despite his decent clothes; and the hotel staff can tell he doesn't belong. The hotel doesn't "digest" him. And to top it off, he snubs a hysterical and demanding billionaire's wife because he is ever-so-egalitarian. Now I get it. :p

    Anyway, is this the French police way or do all detectives stake out dangerous international criminals all on their own? And make it obvious to said criminals as to provoke them? The international man of mystery, Pietr le Letton is well aware of Maigret who is watching him without trying to hide it. What's the point? Also, said criminal was arrested twice in two different countries and wasn't ever fingerprinted? :confused:

    There's a chapter coming up called The Drunk Russian. I am looking forward to that.


    I'd say it's worth the $2.99.
     
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  5. IceAlisa

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    It appears M. Simenon was a known antisemite, having authored 17 articles under the title "The Jewish Peril." Le sigh.
     
  6. PrincessLeppard

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    Yeah. When I found out what a homophobic twit Orson Scott Card is, it became very hard for me to recommend Ender's Game to my students.
     
  7. kwanfan1818

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    Edith Wharton would have to be struck off the school curriculum given her own anti-semitism.

    With the right teachers, surely there's a lesson in the distinction between an author/composer/artist who expresses heinous beliefs within his/her work, like "A Birth of a Nation," authors whose literature/art displays none of the beliefs, and authors -- for Wagner wrote his own libretti -- for whom it's an ongoing argument about whether characters and/or themes represent their beliefs.

    Adam Gopnik discusses the dilemma in, of all things, "The Table Comes First: France, Family, and the Meaning of Food."
     
  8. IceAlisa

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    I will check out the Gopnik article, thanks! I don't believe in boycotting what I call 'the talented bigots.' Edith Wharton too? :(

    So far it seems Simenon dislikes: Jews, Russians, Poles or any kind of immigrant, billionares' wives, hotel managers and certain policemen.
     
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    This Gopnik was a book that I spent months savoring and was :wuzrobbed when I finished.
     
  10. emason

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    I am now deeply into my reading of Moby-Dick. The first discussion class was great and the leader keeps e-mailing us links to items of interest. Meanwhile, 3 days ago the Moby-Dick Big Read started. One chapter per day is being read aloud and broadcast; each chapter is being read by someone different. I listened to Tilda Swinton read Chapter 1, and aside from mispronouncing forecastle, she was great. You can hear the 3 chapters broadcast so far at www.mobydickbigread.com.

    At the end of all of this I might dislike the book as much as everyone else seems to; it's too early to say. However, one thing I can say is that I am not bored in the slightest; this is most definitely not curing my insomnia.

    IceAlisa, I think you would enjoy this discussion group. We had so much to talk about at the first session that we ran out of time.
     
  11. IceAlisa

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    Add Americans to the list of people Simenon disliked. That list is growing. :eek: There are well-written parts of the story but the glorious machismo of the silent and strong Maigret is overdone.

    For instance, he gets shot--the bullet grazes his chest and ends up causing a superficial wound. Is he going to see a doctor to dress it? Take a day off? Nope. He soldiers on on his investigative mission, handkerchief balled up and pressed to the wound.

    Now really...
     
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  12. zaphyre14

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    I'm back into Vampire mode with Jeannine Frost's "Once Burned." I've got to give Frost props for originality: the main character is a woman who was electrocuted as a child and survived but was left scarred and with the ability to channel electricity through her right hand and pick up psychic vibes from anything she touches. She's kidnapped by vampires who want to use her to track down the infamous Vlad the Impaler. Instead he frees her and takes her to his estate in Romania so she can help him track down whoever it is that wants to get him. And I'm only about 75 pages into the book. It does rocket right along. :)

    I also have James Patterson's "Violets are Blue" going in the car which concerns a vampre cult leaving corpses around the country like confetti. I've jumped around the series a lot and now am filling in gaps so it's a little hard for me to remember just where this fits into the chronology, but since that mostly concerns Cross' many girlfriends, I don't worry about it too much. I don't know how the cops solve anything, though, given that they never seem to get more than three hours of sleep at a time and seem to go days without eating. Maybe they're the vampires... :)
     
  13. Spinner

    Spinner Where's my book?

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    I was ready to finally get this book when someone on twitter linked one of his many anti-gay articles, now I just can't do it. Everyone I know who's read it says it's a great book and I'm sure I'd agree, but I also know I would constantly be thinking about how awful he is while reading it. Saving myself the anxiety.
     
  14. galaxygirl

    galaxygirl Ma name's Beckeh

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    Ender's Game is awesome. Why is the author such a douche? :wuzrobbed

    I have way too many library books to read. I'm reading Gone Girl which I'm enjoying but I'm really in a YA mood at the moment. I just finished Glimmer (sucked) and Unraveling (awesome!) and now I have the following books checked out. They all look so good but I can't read them all before they're due back and I don't know where to start. What to do, what to do...

    Something Strange and Deadly by Susan Dennard
    Shift by Kim Curran
    The Body Finder by Kimberly Derting
    The Gathering by Kelley Armstrong
    The Space Between by Brenna Yovanoff
    Under the Never Sky by Veronica Rossi
    Born Wicked by Jessica Spotswood
    A Breath of Eyre by Eve Marie Mont

    Right now I'm thinking either Something Strange and Deadly (steampunk zombies!) or The Space Between (the daughter of Lilith and Lucifer!)
     
  15. lulu

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    I had no idea about Orson Scott Card, that's seriously depressing. I have not been to my library for the past 3 months, and I usually go once a week, so I'm looking forward to seeing what new books are available. I truly do enjoy just browsing through the new book section at the library or Barnes & Noble, getting an over priced coffee and spending the entire afternoon reading a book or two. :)


    I just recommended "Dancing in the Glory of Monsters" to a friend, but I haven't read the book since it first came out, so maybe I'll re-read it when i get back to the states.
     
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  16. Zemgirl

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    I don't want bigots, talented or otherwise, to get any of my money in the form of royalties. If the books are in the public domain, it doesn't bother me so long as the bigotry stays out of the book. But I can't read Georgette Heyer, for instance - some of her books have antisemitic content, and whether intentional or not, it makes me uncomfortable.
     
  17. IceAlisa

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    Thank you! To be honest, I am very intimidated by Moby Dick but will check out the group. :)

    I do my best to avoid bigots who are still alive but really can't stay away from Dostoyevsky, Hemingway et al. Never heard of Georgette Heyer, probably a good thing. :eek:
     
  18. Evilynn

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    If it makes you feel any better I thought it was overrated. :lol: Admittedly I'd read one of his rants before reading Ender's Game (got a second hand copy), but I'd also read the first book of Alvin Maker (which I read before the anti-gay rants) which I found to be somewhere between dull and outright bad.

    This is pretty much my approach too. You have to be able to separate the artist from the artwork, but I'm not willing to give money to people who hold views I detest.
     
  19. Spinner

    Spinner Where's my book?

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    Thanks, yes. ;)
     
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    :wuzrobbed because it was over or because it was bad?
     
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    This morning I began Rumour of Heaven by Beatrix Lehmann, sister of novelist Rosamond Lehmann. Chapter 1 was meant to be a prologue, although it could have been developed into a full- length novel. I rather wish it had been - famous young Victorian ballerina marries promising, well-off literary critic, retires after a few years of glory, starts having children and losing her mind. But the focus of the novel is on the children, so I'm curious to see where Lehmann goes with this. Her prose style lacks the often lush, dreamy beauty of sister Rosamond's, but when she wrote the novel (1934) Bearrix had already established herself as an actress on the London stage, so I'm hoping for good characterization and a strong dramatic plot to compensate.
     
  22. Nan

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    Barnes & Noble just sent me an alert on Stormdancer by Jay Kristoff. Has anyone read this? Also, forgive my ignorance, but what is "steampunk?" I looked it up, but the definition I found doesn't seem to fit the book's blurb. :confused:
     
  23. galaxygirl

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    It's science fiction during the Victorian era, originally. It has been migrating to other settings and time periods, though. Instead of technology based on computers and electricity, the technology is based on steam power. There are variations like clockpunk. Hugo Cabret is clockpunk, I think.

    ETA: I just read the description of Stormdancer and it does sound like it could be a Japanese version of steampunk. I think I might have to check it out. :)

    Totally random but I googled steampunk and found this on etsy. :swoon:

    http://www.etsy.com/search?q=steampunk
     
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    I thought so, too. :)
     
  27. galaxygirl

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    I just started part two of Gone Girl.
    I feel like the air has been let out of my balloon, even though I had a feeling that she was responsible. Since I know that so many people disliked the ending, I hope it doesn't end the way I suspect it will. Crap.
     
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    ^ I'm pretty the ending will not be what you're expecting! And I'm not saying any more than that!
     
  29. Matryeshka

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    And I'm pretty sure it is what you're expecting. :lol:
     
  30. galaxygirl

    galaxygirl Ma name's Beckeh

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    :lol: Well, at least I have hope that it might not be what I'm expecting. I'll let you know when I'm done.
     
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