Biggest Skating Busts (USA Ladies Singles)

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  1. Philly2034

    Philly2034 Banned Member

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    I always think that is is interesting how some skaters are billed as the nest Michelle Kwan, and then turn out to nothing.


    Ann-Patrice McDonough, Bebe Liang, Naomi Nari Nam.

    Ann-Patrice McDonough kinda reached her apex after she won Junior Worlds in 2002 (after winning a silver the year before). Everone thought that she would suceed Michelle Kwan (especially since Michelle was not supposed to be competing in the fall 2002 GP series).

    Bebe Liang had her biggest hype at the 2003 Nationals. She was so young and so promising. Yet, she never finished higher than fourth at US nationals.

    Naomi Nari Nam was thoight by many to be the next champion. Everybody was like "watch her." If you were a casual skating fan who watched in 1999 and came back in 2004, you might have tuned in and expect NNN to be the top US Ladies skater. Not so.


    Any other examples of busts in American Ladies singles?
  2. Rob

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    I wasn't sure what this thread was going to be about.
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  3. Cheylana

    Cheylana Well-Known Member

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    None of these skaters turned out to be "nothing" :mad:
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    lol, I also expected a different content :p.
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    I can only think of one: Tonya Harding who forgot the value of competition and tried to win by cheating. Everyone else is a winner to me.
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  6. orbitz

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    "Nothing" is a harsh word. The U.S. has many ladies whose career didn't meet expectations, but they still accomplished a lot in their career. Having said that, I think the biggest letdown for me was Tiffany Chin's career after 84.
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    Elene G, Viktoria Volchkova, Katarina Witt...
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  8. DaiKozOda

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    Not to be rude but when I read the thread title my reaction was the same as Marco's :p
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    Between this and the "Plan B" thread, what I have truly learned is I need to get my mind out of the gutter.
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    That German dentistry student who skated at 2007 Euros had some knockers, but poths was a fan. :saint:
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    Immediately, I thought of Gedevanishvelli.
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    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    Show some love for Nora Hoffman!
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    As a fan of figure skating, each of these three ladies brought enormous joy to me as a spectator. To refer to them as nothing simply shines the light back on the empty stage where you reside.

    Do you have links to back up this accusation? It is my understanding that Harding never cheated. Harding did however, associate with the wrong people (major understatement).
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    blue_idealist Well-Known Member

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    In the US, Katy Taylor and Danielle Kahle
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    In what world does winning Junior Worlds equate to "nothing"?
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    I remember Anna Semanovich (not sure if that is spelt right) from 98 Worlds which were held in the US. I think she had the biggest bust I have ever seen on a skater in the US.
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  18. judgejudy27

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    I honestly never thought Patrice McDonough, Liang, or Nari Nam were future superstars. Maybe they could have done more, especialy Ann Patrice McDonough who burnt out and retired way too young IMO, but none was ever going to be a World medalist or U.S Champion ever IMO.

    Some skaters who did not become what I thought they would are:

    -Angela Nikidinov. After I first saw her in 1997 I thought she was a future superstar.
    -Tiffany Chin. This is the obvious one. I saw a future muti World Champion and the 88 Olympic Champion when I saw her in 84. Many others did too.
    -Caryn Kadavy. This is on a smaller scale as she did have a very good amateur career, and an outstanding professional career, but I saw a future multi U.S and possible World winner in 85 and 86.

    I thought Jill Trenary might go on to have a greater career after she burst through to win that U.S title in 87 almost out of nowhere, but in hindsight she if anything did better than she should have. She was kind of caught between two eras, maybe born a bit earlier or a bit later (more likely a bit earlier) her timing would have worked out better.

    Oh another one is Cindy Bortz. I thought she was a big star in the making when she won the World Juniors in 87. Yet someone like Holly Cook who she easily beat at that competition even went on to a much better career.
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    Agreed with most names.

    Diana Poth is another skater I expected more from.

    What happened to Lautowa? She medaled and then disappeared.

    Szewszenko was bothered by so many injuries and illnesses, I wonder what would have happened if she could have stayed healthy and trained and competed as planned.

    I think about Eva Maria Fitze and wonder the same. If she wouldn't have had an eating disaorder and stayed healthy and normal, what would her results have been? Luckily everyhting turned out allright, she seemed very happy switching to pairs with decent results. Pairs skating really seemed to make her more happy than ladies skating, even if the results were less than what she achieved in the ladies event if I remember well.

    Bobek also puzzles me a bit. If she would have had less coaching changes and a better training discipline, who knows what she could have achieved. She was one of the only competitive skaters in her day with amazing stretch and flexibility in her spirals.

    Lovely Jennifer Kirk could have achieved more too if she wouldn't have had an eating disorder. Surely she would have at least medaled a few times at Worlds, if not won it at least once.

    With all that,we shouldn't forget it's not all about results only. No matter how nice those medals are, most important is still the joy and beauty of figure skating and the excitement when people have extraordinary jumps and performances you never forget. That's why we enjoy watching a Lucinda Ruh as much as a Mao Asada or a Carolina Kostner or a Yuna Kim.
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    FS is so competitive that many talented skaters never make it to worlds. I don't necessarily see them as 'busts'. It just means tough competition, sort of Russian pairs in the USSR era. I am sure there were many really good pairs that probably never made it to worlds. In another country the same skaters or pairs would have been national champions many times.
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    Naomi Nari Nam and Nicole Bobek are the ones that come to mind. I especially loved Naomi....I really thought she was the next one. but yes, as others have said, I wouldn't say that any of the skaters named here amounted to nothing, but I imagine you didn't mean it that way.

    Also, in response to something else here: agree with PeterG, from what I know, there is no evidence that Tonya orchestrated that event. She admitted to knowing about it after the fact, but i would not call that cheating. and I am sympathetic when I consider the situation she was in.
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    I guess we are talking about skaters that did not live up to expectations? I would say at this point Mirai, and Caroline especially have kind of been busts. Don't get me wrong they have had some great career moments- Mirai especially being a national champion and Olympian. But back in 2008-2009 they were supposed to be the next Kwans of the USA yet Kimmie Meissner still has a more impressive resume even with her very short career.
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    Ann-Patrice is a pretty frustrating story for me; in 2002-2003, she was giving consistent and beautifully skated performances. At the Nationals that year, she, IMHO, outskated both Hughes and Cohen by a country mile and should have been making Kwan look over her shoulder. She had had the only seven triple program of the bunch, had choreography filled with MITF and transitions, and really had wonderful flow and basics. Yet, sloppy performances by Sasha and Sarah were held up to make the world team, and they both turned in lackluster performances at that worlds, Sarah, embarassingly so. After that season, combined with her mother reportedly being the skate-parent from hell, it seemed she lost focus. In her case I really do see a lot of unrealized potential.

    Nari-Nam was a cute baby ballerina, but I don't think there was really that much expected from her.

    Bebe Liang was probably my favorite of the three; she had wonderful musicality and charisma, and chose terrific themes to her programs. That being said, it was a pleasure just to see her finally make the world team. I don't ever remember anyone predicting her to be the next dominant American star.

    As for Angela, I actually had the opposite impression of her the first time I saw her. She seemed like such a blah skater. Dick Button was overly cruel in calling her a 'fridge-break', but I didn't find her to be particularly engaging as a performer. It was circa-2001 that she re-invented herself and was showing herself to be of true caliber.
  24. Rob

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    Jenny Kirk and Katy Taylor each won 4CC -- they are ISU champions so I wouldn't call them a "bust."

    In this context, bust is a negative word. Ye Bin Mok was a very talented US ladies skater who didn't make it to many international competitions because she was plagued by injury. She has been skating professionally -Look at this gorgeous picture. Hardly a bust. http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120605&content_id=32801402&vkey=ice_news Of note, her castmates have included Ann Patrice McDonough, Andrei Griazev, Chris Mabee.

    Like UGG says - "did not live up to expectations" is a nicer phrase.
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    An "R-rated" thread?
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    Gedevanishvelli and Witt. They have the biggest busts. Tonya Harding did some porn with ex husband Jeff Gillooly(Just like Paris Hilton's "One night in Paris") so she probably does have big busts.
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    I just watched the Tonya's buts and they were small....
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    Rob, you must learn to stay abreast of these things :slinkaway.
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    Now, if you would only stretch the category to allow US men. Dan Hollander's Mrs. Doubtfire, now that's a rack!
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    duplicate post
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  31. Vagabond

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    Make of this what you will:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1004989/index.htm

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-sr...998/history/timeline/articles/time_020294.htm

    [/beating dead horse]

    Now, as far as the biggest figure skating bust is concerned, it was clearly when Wolfgang Schwarz was arrested (and later successfully prosecuted) for human trafficking. :judge:
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  32. FunnyBut

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    After you posted about Yebin, I found this stunning pic and self-write up about her:
    http://iamkoreanamerican.com/2012/06/12/yebin-mok/
    When I see such inspirational articles about former skaters, it's hard to think of them in any way as a 'bust'.
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    Yebin is absolutely stunning in the photos... I really miss her competitive skating... She really should have done a lot better!
  34. dots

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    I remember hearing stories about her making "noises" in the bathroom if you know what I mean.Now it all makes sense.

    I still watch her 2003 SP from time to time.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qlv6n5EQq3U
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    I think we all know who my favorite cutie is. http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Rachael+Flatt+ISU+Four+Continents+Figure+Skating+ntbz-AbsCvyl.jpg. And, while winning the Worlds Jr. Championship is certainly a top, heavy achievement, she just hasn't lived up (or out) to her name since then.Although she is no threat to Anna Semenovich, I think we can see more back troubles in her future. I always admired her academic achievements and her being a straight 'A' student, but I understand she got her first 'B' recently (I think I can see where). Oh well, I shall continue to keep abreast of Rachael's career, and hope that her luck this year won't prove me to be a total boob.

    Yours truly, Jerry Denton, a/k/a Jot the Dot Dot, skating fan and former leg man........
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    Ye Bin Mok was an absolutely beautiful skater. It's so nice to hear that she's still skating. I hope that she gets her dream of having her own artistic skating company! I'll buy the first ticket!
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    Thanks for the links, dot, Rob, and FunnyBut. It's fascinating to find out about the off-ice journey Yebin's life took that eventually brought her back to her passion.

    From the Korean-American blog:

    From the IceNetwork article:

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    It's kinda funny to me that, of all the skaters touted as the "new Kwan" between 2000-2010, the ones I had the least expectations for ironically went on to achieve the highest acclaim, at least on paper.

    Judging by natural talent alone, if you would've told me at the onset that Sarah Hughes, Kimmie Meissner, and Rachel Flatt would go on to win Olympic, World and National titles...while skaters like Naomi Nari Nam, Ann Patrice McDonough and Yebin Mok wouldn't even make a world team, I would've been hard pressed to believe you.

    Shows how rarely hype actually plays out in the long run.
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    I am so glad I didn't have to write a post about Katarina Witt, Victoria Volchkova, and Elene Gedevanishvili. These great skating busts are almost too great to contemplate, especially in terms of their miraculous jumps.

    Few in USA skating can really be called busts. Naomi Nari Nam might be one, but she came back from her injury and did pairs. Many fans appreciated Naomi for coming back, and her pairs career wasn't bad while it lasted. It's hard to consider her a let down. In the USA, unlike Canada, Naomi was just one of many outstanding talents who never made it to senior worlds.
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  40. aftershocks

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    Yeah sure, but Sarah never won a World or National title (medals, yes). Of course, Rachael Flatt never won an Olympic or World title (nor medals). And Kimmie never won an Olympic title or medal, although Rachael and Kimmie were fortunate to at least participate in the Olympics (as per the notion that you are nothing as a figure skater if you don't make it to the Olympics, and worst than nothing if you don't medal, or such a failure if you medal but don't win gold as a favorite). :p Sarah Hughes' Olympic gold medal win was an unexpected, dream-fulfilled icing on the cake moment.

    In any case, there are busts (breasts), and there are busts (rips), and then there are busts (arrests). To defame figure skaters as busts is very low-down and measly. I suppose the OP just can't bust through to face and overcome his/ her own miseries, dramas, failures.

    Well at the least, the negative intention of this thread has turned into a few laughs and into providing something enlightening, informative as well as memorable and inspiring re Yebin Mok's journey. No bust, that! And no bust re Ann-Patrice, Naomi, Bebe, or any other athlete who gave it their all.
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