Big Brother US (Season 15)

Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by Fridge_Break, Jun 21, 2013.

  1. Jenny

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    re focus on Aaryn - the thing is, many players in the past have made homophobic remarks (the very popular Jeff for starters), and men who speak poorly of women are the norm in that house. Some have criticized Howard and Andy for not saying something, but at the same time as a black man and a gay man I have to think they've heard it all before and have learned to live with it and choose their battles - with $500K on the line, this isn't one of them. Similarly, those of us who are women have experienced men who say inappropriate things, lack respect etc - it happens so often that outside of extreme cases, you just chalk it up to another guy who's a jerk and move on.

    So in a way I see why they are focusing on one person (really two - they showed GM on Sunday's show as well) - they are the extremes, whereas the rest of them are just run-of-the-mill jerks and people who have let something slip when in the end they really aren't all that bad (I think Jessie might fall into that category, and Amanda). It's not up to BB to punish them or set them straight - it's up to BB to provide a platform for them to be exposed (ie the social experiment), and then let the chips fall where they may - in the game and beyond.

    Hamsterwatch had a great idea I thought - send in one of those people who does workplace diversity training for a session on the feeds. Won't compromise the game, but rather add to the social experiment that BB is supposed to be. Might help those inside, and do something for the cause in general. And I think it's a more positive approach than this mob mentality that wants to punish them by kicking them out of the game or causing them to lose their jobs.
  2. genevieve

    genevieve drinky typo pbp, closet hugger Staff Member

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    I think the diversity trainer thing is actually a horrible idea. it would absolutely compromise the social experiment of the game, because it would be a giant heads up that something is going very wrong. Plus, diversity training is often seen as a joke in the workplace by people who don't think they need to do anything differently, I can't imagine that this crew would take it any better. If it had been done at the very beginning of the season (or actually, as a routine part of every season), sure. but to introduce it midseason would be a clear reactive move.

    I disagree that removing the players for their words is the right way to go either. As much as I find them even more vile and putrid than the usual group of BB famewhores, this show was set up to be a fishbowl and to not interfere. I just wish CBS would air more of the actual behavior of their cast as they are, and take some responsibility for their casting which goes a long way toward creating an environment where these bigots feel they can say things they probably wouldn't IRL. Maybe next season they should take a (modified) page from Survivor a few years ago and cast almost all minorities (of all different types) and only 1 or 2 young, white mactors. THAT would be a fantastic social experiment.

    So, I do't want to kick these folks out of the game - but I don't feel bad at all for those who've lost their jobs or earned other real life repercussions. It is admittedly satisfying to see sucky people get their comeuppance.
  3. Sparks

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    Agreed! We had to do the "Brown Eyes, Blue Eyes" training at one of my old jobs. While it was fun, no one changed their behavior. Some people just took it and ran with it - "Shut up, brown eyes!"
  4. jamesy

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    this is why I hug you
  5. Jenny

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    You're probably right - we've talked about this quite a bit on FSU, how tedious most of these sessions are, and how the people who really should get the message are never the ones who actually do. The people who are already conscious will take it as an opportunity to continually improve, and people like Aaryn and Spencer will think it's nothing to do with them. Sigh.

    Agree. This is a social experiment (or it was supposed to be before it turned into Jersey Shore with a cash prize), and therefore we need to let it play out. However ...

    This doesn't really happen though, does it? Producer/Diary manipulation aside, there is interference in the form of competitions, twists, audience votes, and of course the casting itself. While you are probably right that diversity training wouldn't work, I don't think it's any more interference than the other features of the game. Sure they'd know something's up - but there are other times they do to. For example, every time there's an audience vote (MVP, America's Favourite, return houseguests, coup d'etat), the players have a hint of what must be going on outside in terms of how they are perceived, who has fans and why, etc. Several of them have even been playing to it, hoping to score another Jeff/Jordan by showmancing their way through. In addition, they are very in tune to studio audience reaction - listening for what happens when HGs leave, and during last week's vote, reading the audience reaction as they cast their votes.

    Totally agree with you re casting (sorry snipped that part) - while there are several players this season who are fans of the game, there are also several who have already blatantly said they're in it for a showmance and/or career development - and that's just the ones admitting it. This is where Survivor seems to have been doing a better job - returnees aside, the new players (for the most part) know the game and want to play to win, with little thought of meeting someone, having a free vacation, or getting a modelling or hosting contract out of it, or a spot on the Amazing Race.
  6. genevieve

    genevieve drinky typo pbp, closet hugger Staff Member

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    that is the perfect description of the last few seasons of Big Brother :rofl:

    true enough. I guess I see it as the producers taking an even more aggressive step inside the house to make the hamsters behave as TPTB'd like, rather than how they really are. But agree that it's all about degrees of manipulation. And ceiling cat knows that the 3 hours aired on CBS rarely have anything to do with what's happening in the house anymore.

    I think it's because Survivor is so much more physical and even the most tricked out model-looking types end up looking gnarly by the end of the season....can you imagine all the BB hair extensions getting pulled out during some of those brutal challenges? :rofl:
  7. PeterG

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    I couldn't even watch the whole thing it was so disgusting. How can an audience keep tuning in to a show that features such vile people? If Grodner fixes the show, then I'd be okay with it this year if she could get rid of all of those who are spewing such bile. :blah:

    Thanks for the link, so glad they're showing this on the actual show and discussing it on The Talk as well.
  8. Catherine M

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    Not sure if it will make the broadcast but Howard had a great moment on the feeds tonight with Amanda about how he is handling all the racist comments coming out of Aaryn's mouth. That he just can't allow himself to dragged down by what she is saying.

    Candice is still upset about Aaryn's "Shaniqua" comment but I don't think she's going to confront her either. Or maybe she will.

    I'm down to rooting for just Judd and Candice. And once they leave at the hands of the vile Jeremy and his minions, I'm done for the season.
  9. genevieve

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  10. Fridge_Break

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    I have BBAD on (hooray it was moved from Showtime, which I do not get! :cheer2: ) and Howard did pull Aaryn aside and talk to her about her offensive comments. I couldn't hear the entire conversation because they were talking in low/whisper voices and I have the volume low as to not wake up Mr. FB, and I've been catching up with emails at the same time, but I did hear him talk about how himself, Helen, and Candice were offended by her comments and her response was along the lines of "well they were taken a lot worse than I intended," etc, and that she didn't mean what she had said, blah blah blah. I believe (although don't quote me on this, I couldn't hear everything) she tried to say that they shouldn't judge her comments based on people just overhearing (ie: those she wasn't talking directly to shouldn't therefore understand what exactly she was saying/meaning because she was conversing with someone else).
  11. PeterG

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    Hmm. My first thought was, "but what if Spencer had boobs, David"? (Meaning real boobs and not man-boobs... :shuffle:)
  12. DarrellH

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    The ratings are going up, so they will not interfere with what is working.
  13. Catherine M

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    Yep and I think that Aaryn will continue to get the main racist edit over some of the others. Is it fair!? Who cares at this point.


    Have nots came off last night so before midnight Elissa and Candice decided to make sure that Jeremy got nowhere near the booze this time and they hid it to midnight. Good going girls!

    Watched a bit of the feeds this morning before coming to work and Candice & Howard shared a sweet kiss before going to sleep in the same bed. He'll probably sell her out to his boys tomorrow but for at least one moment there was someone in the house that doesn't think Candice is a worst person EVER!
  14. Catherine M

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    There's a very small chance that the outsiders can work the numbers to get Elissa to stay.

    Judd has been working on Jessie and she seems open to switching sides; unfortunately that still doesn't give them all the votes they need as McCrae would need to flip on the MC but they don't know that.

    Right now it stands:

    Voting Nick out: Judd, Andy, Jessie, Amanda, Candice

    Voting Elissa out: Jeremy, Kaitlin, Aaryn, Spencer, Howard

    Has to pick a side: McCrae
  15. jamesy

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    I'm guessing that Aaryn vote is actually GinaMarie? I don't really want Elissa to stay but a vote like that would basically demolish MC and split the house in 2. That could be interesting.
  16. Catherine M

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    Ooops, that's what I mean.

    I want McCrae to flip so badly but I don't think he will.

    One thing, Spencer/Howard/McCrae will be outed as working with Nick/Jeremy as they won't be able to pin the vote on anyone like Judd, Candice, Jessie again.

    Tonight could be a good night on the feeds, if the pressure gets to McCrae.
  17. jamesy

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    That would be amusing if Jessie was a pivotal vote to get out Nick since CBS gave her that bunnyboiler edit.
  18. Catherine M

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    Yay for Candice almost figuring out the boys are working together! Judd is close too except neither one has McCrae in the alliance and that's where things get complicated.

    Nick staying or going is going to come down to McCrae and whether he wants to end things with the MC now. Could be one of those votes where we don't know the outcome till he steps into the diary room.
  19. Catherine M

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    Things have changed for Jessie in the past two days. She's all happy now that Judd is paying attention to her. He's actually really sweet with her though I don't know how she understands what he is saying!
  20. genevieve

    genevieve drinky typo pbp, closet hugger Staff Member

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    please let McCrae flip.....Dingo is pulling for him, as he's a fan of her site. If he really is, he has to know that anything that hastens Jeremy's departure is the right move to make :p

    I realized with tonight's ep that Kaitlyn looks disturbingly like my former dermatologist.

    The editors tonight did a great job with Kaitlyn/Jeremy in the HoH room, bouncing back and forth between Jeremy's bow-chicka-bow bro-code moves and Kaitlyn's blueball nervousing. :lol:
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    The first season of this show, the public voted out someone each week, not the houseguests. All the people were SOOOO nice to one another, and it was boring. The show was almost not renewed. Whether you like it or not, THIS method brings the eyes to the screens.
  22. Catherine M

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    As of this morning, McCrae has "flipped". Or that's what it looks like from his convos last night with Amanda. He could be still lying but I really think he's going to take his chance with the "outsiders", not the MC.

    And as long as Judd keeps Jessie happy and with the Outsiders, she's the 6th vote and Nick will go home in a blindside.

    Could be a fun episode tonight.

    HOH comp is going to memory as they are getting woken up every 15 minutes so they are all up studying.
  23. Catherine M

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    So McCrae has given out his orders since he's putting his game on the line:

    Andy is to stay glued to Candice and not allow Howard/Spencer to get to her.

    Judd is stay on top of Jessie (not sure if that's literally or not) to keep her in line.

    Since there are like 5 Andy's in the house and he is everywhere, it should be a problem for him to keep an eye on Candice.

    Just have to hope blabbermouth Helen keeps quite too. She's sooooo giddy right now, drunk on the possibility of Elissa staying that someone needs to make sure she doesn't give too much away.


    This all came about cause Elissa spent some time with Jessie a couple days ago after Kaitlin/GM/Aaryn booted her out of the cool kids club and then Elissa and Helen talked to Judd and he was like "off I go to showmance Jessie" and once she flipped, McCrae decided to flip too as he told the camera that he wants to play the game with people he likes.


    Going to be a wild day, one of the more exciting ones in awhile. I hope.
  24. Jenny

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    Just caught up on all this - really thought that Elissa being saved was a fan dream!

    For McCrae, he's got to realize that the other MCs have Amanda in their sights, which not only is annoying personally, but game wise too - McCrae knows that the MC's success depends on everyone having side alliances, and they already want to eliminate his.

    Funny that they are so concerned about Candice not flipping - off all of them, she's the one who wants Nick out the most!

    And FINALLY somebody clued in that all you need to do is be nice to Jessie and she'll play along. :duh:

    Tonight is must-watch. I'm almost hoping that Jeremy wins HOH because either way he's going to go ballistic if Nick leaves or if the vote is close and I'm sure will dump the other guys. If he's HOH, even better :EVILLE: And OMG meltdown time for GM, who may join Aaryn in a pity party to rival the departure of Jessie a few seasons ago!

    I had zero confidence in these girls until now, and if they manage to get a second strong boy out before any girl has left the game, then rock and roll! :watch:
  25. Catherine M

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    Spencer and Howard going around and telling McCrae that Amanda was next def was one of the catalysts that made him flip. Why would Jeremy get to keep his girlfriend and next girlfriend and McCrae had to loose Amanda?!

    But the biggest thing was Jessie flipping as without her, McCrae doesn't flip as the 6th vote wasn't there. Its all been very amusing how it played out. First the mean girls ignored her or at least wouldn't talk game with her and took her for granted. Then Elissa had a nice conversation with her and then Elissa & Helen got Judd to step up his flirting. Then Elissa started pimping Judd out to Jessie about him being cute, and there she is with her long awaited showmance beginning and a place in the game finally.
  26. BigB08822

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    I really hope Elissa stays! That would be amazing. I find her much easier to root for than Rachel.
  27. genevieve

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    My hopes are high for tonight's vote - but I don't want Jeremy to win HoH. At least not this week. He's suck a brazen mf that I'd like him to be set back on his heels a little. At least a week!

    Would love for Helen to win - she's playing an interesting game.
  28. PeterG

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    I think Elissa is quite sweet and is more of a thinker than a lot of the MC, so this all sounds good to me.

    Question about Howard. Has he considered flipping? Or is the Good Christian (TM) pleased to be working with homophobies, racists and mysogynists?
  29. AliasJohnDoe

    AliasJohnDoe Spin Alissa Spin!!!

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    The feeds were so exciting to watch last night. I like both Elissa and Nick, and wish she would have nominated Kaitlin instead as replacement. Elissa wanted to make a deal with him, but Nick got too cocky thinking he was safe....his own hubris took him down. All he had to say was "Sure, I'll vote Kaitlin out" and he would have been safe for the week.

    I want to see the facial reactions on Nick, GM, Spencer, Jeremy if Nick is really evicted tonight. GinaMarie will have a meltdown of epic proportions. Jeremy will probably be in full asshole mode for the night after he realizes he doesn't run the house.

    I'm really liking the MVP twist. Instead of giving it to Elissa this week, people want to give it to Candice or Judd this week for their hard work. Just so it isn't Helen(even thought I really like her too), she still gives too much info to Spencer and Howard, and I don't want them running Helen's MVP.

    So many showmances this season too. Not only McCrae and Amanada, there was Aaryn/David, Jeremy/Kaitlin, and now possibly Judd/Jessie and Howard/Candice. Candice doesn't trust Howard but they sleep in the same bed. He has been seen holding her all night and they have been seen kissing a few times.
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  30. Jenny

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    In the first episode, he said "God helps those who helps themselves," basically giving himself a free pass to do whatever it takes to win.
  31. AliasJohnDoe

    AliasJohnDoe Spin Alissa Spin!!!

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    Howard is all for the Moving Company alliance. He swore on the bible with his right hand to Aaryn that he voted to keep David (He actually voted David out).
  32. Catherine M

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    And he plans on pulling Candice aside right before the vote to tell her that the house has flipped to voting out Elissa (Spencer is suppose to do the same with Andy). If he does this, she'll know for sure he's in the guy's alliance as she told Helen/Elissa/McCrae/Amanda last night if he tried any last minute stuff, she'll know then.

    But it might not be totally over for Howard. Helen still wants to bring him back into the outsider alliance and of course Candice likes him on a personal level. Plus the main targets coming up seem to be Spencer, Jeremy and Aaryn.
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    Letter to CBS Head Honcho from AntiDefamation League. Some good ideas for how CBS should handle this.

    http://www.adl.org/press-center/c/adl-letter-to-cbs-on-big-brother.html

    Like others have posted, this is an awful group of people, and not sure whyI am stilll watching. But the discussions outside the house on the horrible comments made in the house has been very intriguing to me.

    Last nights show was interesting. I felt they were setting up either Helen or Howard for next weeks MVP if Elissa is out this week.
    Elissa and Helen seem like mature people, and Candice seems smart, such an oddity in the house. Helen is intriguing - her conversations with Aaryn show some good game play. Howard also seems ok to me, so far, even if he wears his religion on his sleeve, which annoys me, but there is something about him I like (and not just when he has no shirt on).
    Hope that Nick goes tonight. Not that I like or dislike him, but just to have the power switch. The MC is too cocky.
    I love blindsides, and the facial reactions and fallout after.
  34. Catherine M

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    Wish I was able to watch the feeds right now as Spencer and Howard are getting a tad bit nervous and Jeremy is running around telling people what to do.

    Jessie is still with the plan as she just lied to Jeremy about voting out Elissa but Amanda has ordered Judd to stay with her at all times cause they don't want Jeremy to have access to Jessie anymore. Ha! I love how the girl that went on the show thinking it was all about hooking up and getting a TV boyfriend is one of the main players in all of this. You never know!
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    :eek:

    God helps those who lie through their teeth?
  36. Jenny

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    Like Dan, I think Howard is of the opinion that in the game, not all of God's rules need to be followed.

    I agree actually - it's a game, not real life, so it's not about integrity, loyalty and honesty. It's about winning.
  37. Catherine M

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    I don't get Howard and his swearing on the bible. I don't think there is a place for that in this game. Yeah you can be a Christian and still play big brother but to swear on the bible an untruth is just wrong.

    Oh well, I don't like talking about religion so I won't say anything more.


    Spencer is really freaking out, according to the feed reports. Helen told him that Nick was going home and he had a choice to either be on the right side of the vote or on the wrong side. So I wouldn't be surprised if he bails on the MC too tonight.
  38. jamesy

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    I love the idea of Aaryn getting blindsided 2 weeks in a row. And that her HoH was wasted in getting out an ally.
  39. Catherine M

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    Isn't that like the best thing ever!?!

    I'm going to be tad bit upset if McCrae doesn't actually follow through but right now I think the vote will go Elissa's way and Nick will be going home and it will all be so much fun on the feeds tonight!
  40. genevieve

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    would be thrilled even more if Spencer flips to the right side, McCrae doesn't, Nick still goes home and McCrae is in the hot seat.