Big Brother (US)--Season 14!

Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by Catherine M, Jul 2, 2012.

  1. BigB08822

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    I always assumed it would be an option but then is it fair for certain players to have a mentor while others lose their mentor? That has to be worked out, somehow. Of course Dan wants back in the game, isn't he about the be eliminated? With Shane winning POV and Danielle becoming the target, I have absolutely no doubt that they will introduce the twist to give Dan a chance to stay in the game. If Danielle wasn't in danger then they would have held off, I guarantee it.
  2. haribobo

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    I think that regardless of what's been said, all the coaches are probably tired/frustrated of just coaching and on some level are itching to get back in the game. I imagine that if its not all 4 of them, there will be a competition to let one or two of them back in.

    I think Brit actually contributed greatly to Willie's breakdown and didn't realize until way too late that he needed to be treated with kid gloves. She was sharing info with him the same way she would've shared it with Monet or Lane in her season, not realizing that Willie had not an ounce of self-restraint, and was going to react in a totally graceless manner to all of it. The problem was that he wouldn't listen to her advice after hearing the house gossip to just sit back and let things be, and just went a little more off the rails every day. Then after this strategy blew up in their faces, she dug into him about it and made him feel so bad about it. It was a *really* unhealthy dynamic and very hard to watch when I would see them on the live feeds. Brit is the most fun person to watch in the DR and just in general when she's in a good mood, but she really doesn't handle the bad stuff well. I really feel badly in a way that Brit managed to pick Shane who is just kind of blah, Jojo who hasn't managed to make fans out of other people in the house, and Willie who went nuts. None of these people have been very successful in making themselves well-liked in the house. I'm really curious to see who Britney would align with if she came into the house, and if there would be anything she could do to actually stay in. Dan would also be interesting to watch. It's amazing to me that Frank was one vote from going home last week, to now being in a fantastic spot to go all the way.
  3. BigB08822

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    I forgot that they may be bringing someone back in since Willie got thrown out. If they do that then it will obviously be one of Dan's contestants and that would give them another week before having to worry about letting the mentors into the game.
  4. Catherine M

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    I find Britney so clueless and can't believe Grodner thought Britney would be a good coach. The girl got played by Lane of all people during her original season and had no clue what was going on.
  5. Catherine M

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    Ian's lucky that they edited out Ashley's post date trashing of him to Janelle and company. I guess Grodner has a heart after all.

    And for the record, Shane is not pursuing Danielle on the feeds!
  6. professordeb

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    OK, I'm feeling out of it. I see that BB is supposed to be showing at 10pm local time on Canadian channels but don't see it on any American ones. What's up with that? Are we in Canada a night behind?
  7. Fridge_Break

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    The Sunday show has already aired in the east, it was from 8-9PM.
  8. BigB08822

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    She seems to be playing better this time around. There have been mistakes but I'm not sure how much she could have done about Willie. He was a bomb just waiting to go off, no matter who was coaching him. I think someone like Boogie or Janelle would have pushed him over the edge even sooner, if possible. Britney has caught on to a few different things when others were trying to play her, particularly Boogie. She seems to be trying to take in the bigger picture this time around.
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    Yeah, I kinda figured that out once I scrolled through the time shift channels. Colour me :eek:
  10. Jenny

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    Yeah that was puzzling, because from all I've read she's mooning around him like a high school freshman and he's paying her zero attention.

    Other Danielle tidbits - she apparently tells a lot of hard luck/family life stories that get worse with each telling, and she's continuing to pretend that she's a kindergarten teacher rather than a nurse, but keeps slipping with words and knowing things that others have been catching, but apparently not wondering about.

    And what is with Dan? Why is it important for him to have everyone think that his team is weak? They're still going after your team, idiot! He's told Danielle not to campaign even though she is more than like going up against JoJo - who is actually playing the game.
  11. BigB08822

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    Dan is playing a horrible horrible game. I know he had no way of predicting that Willie would get himself evicted but it still was dumb to throw the coaches competition. If he had been able to win (and in the end it was only between him and Janelle) then Danielle would be in no danger at all and she could still be seen as weak since Dan is the one who saved her. It seems to me that Danielle is an easy target because it takes Dan out along with her and how he doesn't see that, I don't know. I know they will come in with a twist before he ever gets evicted but Danielle may pay the price for his stupid game play while Dan gets to come into the game.
  12. Catherine M

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    POV ceremony is over with.

    Danielle is the replacement nom.

    So its JoJo vs Danielle.

    Right now, JoJo is the one leaving unless there is a mass defection to get Dan out, along with Danielle. I think Boogie & Frank's reasoning on getting rid of JoJo is that it weakens Britney and forces Shane to work even more closely with them.

    So maybe Danielle will get her showmance with Shane after all!!
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    Yea I don't understand Dan's reasoning for losing all the comps. It is possible to have a successful, relatively drama-free HoH, and could actually serve Danielle well as she could get some people firmly on her side during that week if she plays it properly. Dan winning the coach's comp would allow him to save Danielle for the week, which should never be taken for granted. Of course there was Willie still in the game at that point, but still, he shouldn't have counted on Shane or Jojo being the other nom for sure. I really don't get who he thinks he's fooling. Even more than Britney, he's making a mess of this coach thing.
  14. Jenny

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    Definitely. Imagine when Kara and Danielle find out that Dan blew off both competitions that could have protected them, especially when he also told both of them not to campaign.

    The only explanation is that Dan is quite sure how the summer is going to play out, and is focused on his own game, getting through the coaching phase as fast as he can.

    Personally I'd get rid of Danielle over JoJo. Danielle seems to be far more easily influenced, which is great if you are the one doing it, but no so much when she is swayed, especially since she's mooning over Shane all the time. Plus, a few of them have already questioned her profession, so that makes her untrustworthy anyway.

    Plus JoJo is more fun to watch as a player :)
  15. Catherine M

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    JoJo is much more interesting as a player but the potential is there for a massive Danielle meltdown later on the summer so I'm kinda torn who I want to leave.

    If JoJo leaves as planned, I think it will leave a house of

    Shane/Frank/Jenn/Ian vs Joe/Wil

    With Ashley and Danielle as floaters.


    And Frank & Boogie's plan is to have Shane win the next HOH, so they can go after Joe & Wil by having Shane do their dirty work. What they don't know is that Janelle wants Shane to win the next HOH to go after Frank! Hahahahahhahahahha!

    So Thursday's HOH competition could be a real game changer, leading up to the inevitable coaches turning into players.
  16. Jenny

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    Which is why they must go. If I were playing BB or Survivor, my first targets would be the swing votes and floaters - not because I don't like how they play the game as some players (esp on BB) feel, but because they are unpredictable.

    Jenn seems to be playing a really good game. No one dislikes her, she's building relationships quietly all over the place, and despite her noticeable appearance, no one seems to notice her. She'll easily make the jury, and if she's taking the time to observe everyone very closely, she could be in excellent position to go all the way.
  17. grimey

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    This. It makes no sense otherwise.

    I have a feeling that all of the coaches knew something about them having a possibility of playing the game before they started. Britney probably knew too but maybe production told her to be naive about it - as per her "character".
  18. Jenny

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    I'm surprised they all don't want Danielle out, just to force BB to take it to the next stage with the coaches so they know what they are dealing with.

    This is the one game where players enter without knowing all the rules so to speak, and the fate of the coaches is a huge question that will affect everything. If I was in there, knowing what I'm dealing with for the rest of the summer would be my priority.
  19. Catherine M

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    I agree, the smart move would be for Danielle to go, just to force Grodner's hand about what happens when a coach runs out of players.

    Ian, who is suppose to be this student of the game, is sure the coaches won't be entering the game. Either he really is that naive or he is trying to play dumb.
  20. smurfy

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    I agree that the coaches know 'something'. And the number of non coach players - does not add up.
    I watched BBAD this weekend and read some things - but seeing the actual fight/Willie meltdown was different. Britney really was adding fuel to the fire there. Over the weekend Boogie was talking with somebody and said ony 10% of what Willie did would have occured if he was Willie's coach. I laughed and thought Boogie thinks so highly of himeself. But after seeing the way Brit spoke to Willie, I think Boogie was partially correct - shocking for me to write that. I still don't like Boogie, but hearing him talk with his players and strategy does remind me he is not dumb. I do think his strategy of his 3 plus either Shane or Danielle as the 4th could work.
    Also I agree about Jenn - she is under the radar, gets along with everyone. Plus the little bit I have seen of her, she seems like a really nice genuine person and very grounded.
    Ian - I too wonder if he is playing a bit dumb at times. Also he has followed Boogie's advice and I thiink he is working on his social game.
    Wil gets mentioned to boot out as seems like everyone likes him and they assume he is physical threat.
    So Ian or Jenn - will be interesting to see how far they go.

    As with Survivor and BB - I wish they would do a season with no returning players and no twists! Can you imagine everyone just waiting for the twist. And on Survivor everyone searching for HII that does not exist!
  21. AliasJohnDoe

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    I've been watching the feeds a lot and I'm not sure where anyone is getting the idea that Ashley is a floater.

    I don't find Ashley to be a floater at all. She is doing a lot of behind the scenes stuff. Her social game is one of the best so far this season. Even Jani sees that Ashley is more than what she seems. If it's because she hasn't won any competitions, then Wil, Joe, Danielle, Ian, JoJo, and Jenn are floaters too since they haven't won anything either. Ashley doen't float to where the power is either.

    Ashley is playin' a lot of people in that house. She's smarter than people think she is.
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    I think Brit should have told Willie he was an idiot and left it at that. She was shown fueling his anger and of course he is going to go off.

    I am liking Jenn more and more. She is playing a smart game IMHO, I would not be surprised to see her in final 4... with Ashley. I am also starting to like Ian too. Joe annoys me. Wil's voice is like nails on a chalk board.

    The bit with Boogie and Frank made me laugh and makes me want to pull my old BB2 season and watch it over again.

    I love Janelle but a couple of her players suck IMVHO.

    I don't care either way about Danielle and Dan. Go... Stay. Don't really care. Jo Jo also annoys me too. Not sure why though.

    Shane is such awesome eye candy. I would take him over Jeff anyday.

    Frank is also growing on me too.

    Personally I would like to see a couple of Boogie's players put up nest week. Just to weaken his game play. I hate how cocky he is.
  23. Jenny

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    What are everyone's thoughts on Ian? I'm reading around the internet that people think he has some form of autism or Asperger's syndrome (although how often do we see people making those diagnoses from the comfort of their computer chair?), and he's gaining fans with those who sympathize, and who are also applauding CBS for casting, and Boogie for his taking Ian under his wing.

    At the same time, if this is true, should he have been cast on a show that often gets the better of otherwise emotionally stable people? That often results in extreme emotions and stress?

    Or is he just a goofy kid who they are exploiting for his goofiness? And do you enjoy the comedy, or :yikes: that something not so funny is going to happy before too long?
  24. Sparks

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    Dingo has some good things to say about Ian.
    I think we should refrain from making an arm-chair diagnosis.
  25. Jenny

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    Totally agree. My question is whether everyone thinks it's a good idea to cast someone who may have some sort of similar condition under the circumstances of the game, or whether they enjoy watching someone who is just goofy be exploited for his goofiness, and whether any of this is entertaining to anyone.
  26. Sparks

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    ^^^ that was Dingo's point too. It's not up anymore, or I would've posted it.
    Personally I think Ian is more emotionally stable than someone like Brother Hantz. I question the veracity of BB's screening process.
  27. Jenny

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    Willie's demise still puzzles me a bit. Clearly he's got a volatile temper and has not be adverse to physical expression of it in the past, but the events leading up to his confrontation with Joe seemed little more than situations we've seen on BB in the past. But usually, those are a long time coming - several weeks of game stress, missing home, being cooped up with people you don't like, etc.

    But Willie seemed to be serious about the game, competitive, committed to fighting to stay, and then less than a day later was so angry that he declared that he wanted to get kicked out of the game, and did things he knew full would result in his ejection. Britney sure egged him on, but since when does a guy like that let someone like Britney push his buttons?

    I know he was likely doomed - he would have been nominated for sure and likely to go, but at the same time, he was building as strong alliance with JoJo and Ashley, and had a decent shot of winning the veto.

    I feel like we're missing a few pieces of this puzzle.
  28. Sparks

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    Maybe.
    Willie alone is responsible for his behavior. I had a feeling he would snap...just not so soon.
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    Being autistic or having aspergers does not make a person emotionally unstable. :huh:
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    Exactly.
  31. Catherine M

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    I think Ian's doing much better socially and has handled things pretty well over the last week, so if he does have some aspergers diagnosis, it doesn't seem to be harming his game. Now as the weeks pile up, things could change. He def has benefited from being safe the first week and now in the power alliance. It will be interesting to see how he handles Ashley blabbing to everyone that he and Frank have a final 2 deal. He seemed stunned that she would say that when Jenn told him. Boogie needs to make sure Ian's crushing on Ashley doesn't escalate anymore.

    One good thing for him, when he gets back to NOLA in September, I can see him making progress with all the girls from Tulane/Loyola at the various Uptown bars as his confidence should be improved. Hope it doesn't go to his head too much!
  32. Jenny

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    I didn't say it did.
  33. BigB08822

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    I went back and re-read what you said and no, you didn't say those words but there was one line that implied it. Maybe it was just how I read it but this was what seemed to make that implication:

    The use of "otherwise emotionally stable people" implies (to me) that those with autism and/or aspergers are not emotionally stable.

    Sorry if that was not your intention but it definitely read that way to me.
  34. haribobo

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    He lost Ashley, as shown by her vote to save Frank. Then he only had Jojo and Shane and they were being taken away from him too. Britney spelled it out for him after the vote that he not only lost Ashley but that his behavior was the sole cause for her loss. Never before has Big Brother employed the coaches before, and that adds a layer of stress and complexity for a player like Willie that nobody has ever had in the game before, especially when its someone like Britney who repeatedly told him he was scum and that he should stay away from his own alliance members. Previously in the game, your alliance members could turn on you, but that was different than someone forcing you to stay away from your alliance members. And Brit talked to Willie in a very demeaning way that seemed to strip him of his perceived manhood or whatever. I think he just felt very misunderstood and maybe wasn't really equipped to handle what was basically a 2 week HoH, and what was initially a Joe/Wil/Frank problem metastasized into a house-wide problem due to Britney's egging him on by telling him that he's "screwed" (possibly her very worst moment as a coach to freak him out like that although she didn't want or expect him to freak out the way he did, she should have sensed that he wasn't listening to her and was an emotional liability by that point)- without the Brit factor, the news of the perceived slur might've reached him later, not at all, or in a different way. Combine that with the fact that Willie is just not very good at letting things go- you could tell he was stewing about all the negativity- and that emotions are magnified in a house where you are trapped until eviction, and then combined with the fact that he lost the vote to save Kara, his team lost HoH, his coach lost the coach's competition, he was made a have-not, and every single person seemed to be against him with no hope of it turning around, it really wasn't that surprising that he snapped. And apparently there was a 5-10 minute period of time before the fight that Willie was trying to get into the DR to self-evict presumably, but he wasn't being let inside. So he probably felt like a physical fight was his only way out. I think with Boogie or Dan he might've fared better, it's hard to say. You need to be good at holding your tongue and being sneaky, and Willie really wasn't very good at that for very long- and all of his hard work to build alliances all over the house came crumbling down all at once. To go from thinking you are a mastermind to being told you are a complete fool has got to be tough for someone with a huge ego. I have to wonder if a Shane or Jojo HoH would've kept Willie in a good place, or if he'd have self-destructed anyway. I really think the Brit-Willie combination was really the perfect storm of a personality clash disaster in this game. Willie would've imploded, I think, anyway, given his problems, but Brit just ensured it happened basically as soon as his HoH was over. Just a perfect case of totally kicking the man while he was down.
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  35. AliasJohnDoe

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    Britney had nothing to do with Willie losing it. Willie is a grown man responsible for his own actions. Willie did a lot more violence than was shown in the TV clip according to the other house guests. I don't understand blaming others for his actions. Willie has a past criminal record of violence. He never should have been allowed on the show. He was put on the show because he was a Hantz.
  36. BigB08822

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    I didn't realize he has a past criminal record with regards to violence. What in the world was Grodner thinking!? I know he is a Hantz but my god, could you imagine the lawsuit brought forth if he hurt someone?! Major major lawsuit. These players don't know who they are getting locked in the house with, they don't get a say but they should at least know that they wont be put in there with someone with a record like he obviously has.

    I also don't blame Britney. Did she handle him as best she could? No. But then again, she just met him when we did. How was she supposed to know that things would go downhill so quickly. It literally took less than a week for him to lose his mind. That isn't enough time to step back and see everything you have done wrong. Hindsight is always 20/20 and she doesn't have all the information that we have.
  37. Catherine M

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    That was an impressive Veto win by Shane.

    Much prefer Danielle to JoJo so I hope the house decides that JoJo is the bigger threat and keeps Danielle and her meltdowns around longer!
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    I much prefer JoJo to the whiney, cry baby Danielle! I hope Janey and Boogie realize this is a good time to get Dan out for good and take Danielle out.
  39. Jenny

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    Sounds like Shane and JoJo are taking this approach. JoJo also thought she had Ashley but apparently does not, and traded cigarettes to Joe for his vote, but sounds like he's waffling too.

    Janelle is buddybuddy with Danielle right now, and clearly wants to keep her. I never got why she and Britney "broke up" but it seems clear that Janelle and Boogie are all about crippling Britney. With a strong player like Shane, they must feel they need to get rid of his one remaining teammate, JoJo.

    I do wonder why everyone doesn't want to force BB to tell them what happens next. Makes you wonder if Janelle and Boogie know something, and even Britney as you'd think she especially would like to know what comes next for the coaches.

    Of course, Dan could leave and they still won't know anything - we'll have an idea if he's still sequestered, but the producers could still leave things open.
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    They probably know that there's no way to force BB to make a move- it happens when it happens. I think tonight they will bring coaches back into the game. Maybe next week if they really want to put it off.

    Boogie is/has brought Shane over to his side secretly. Of course Janelle still thinks Boogie is out to get Shane. So if Shane or Boogie's people win HOH tihs week, they will go after Janelle's team. If Janelle's ppl win, they presumably would put up Shane and Danielle? Unless they plan to put up Frank. A few ppl might be throwing HoH to avoid making enemies. Should be interesting to see who goes for it tonight. We might be in for an endurance comp since we haven't had one yet.