Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by BigB08822, Aug 23, 2011.
The other thread was over 1000 posts.
Jeff is furious. Jordan told him of her and Shelly's talk.
Dani telling everybody that they J/J promised her not to BD her is insulting Jeff's integrity. (He did promise that to Dani, BTW. I'm getting tired of theirs we are straight shooters bullcrap).
So J/J are going to have a house meeting today and confront Dani with her lies in order for rest of the HG to see Dani's true colors.
Jeff is also pissed with Shelly, how dare she approach Jordan and ask her about what getting to the F3 gives her. If she wants to be the F7 she can have it, he is tired of carrying her on his back. She doesn't win anything, and doesn't do anything good for him. He is a team player (team of 2, IMO), and he is tired of fighting for those floaters (S/A). I'm saving you Jeff's f words' collection.
Kalia is upset with Dani. She asked Dani which is the best way for her (Kalia) to campaign for herself, and also asked her to guide her to the coming HOH this Thursday. IMO, no wonder Dani is keeping a distance from Kalia by playing defeated and useless to her. Did Kalia really expected Dani to put Kalia infront of Dani's interests?!
Shelly is pretty closed on voting for Dani to stay. She is working hard on Adam to realize that it is a better move for both of them to flip flop the house, because otherwise they're both will the best end up in 3 and 4 position with zero as a prize.
Shelly gives Adam good arguments: J/J are playing for J/J; they keep Rachel in order to protect Jeff; they (A/S) will never come before J/J, and thus are in the house to help only J/J not themselves; it will be in their best interests to do the big move now.
Adam was giving Shelly his arguments for not saving Dani. She can not be trusted, and like with Brendon he (Adam) can not beat her in competitions.
Their conversation was interrupted with Rachel joining them.
Rachel left. Adam is continuing with his objections against keeping Dani.
According to Adam, Dani is seeing a target in him, he is afraid that if Jordan wins he will be going home. He says to Shelly that while it's a good move to keep Dani, he is not going to take a part in that.
He is charmed with J/J working for the team agenda.
So now it is one of the two: either Shelly joins Adam and vote against Dani, or she will try to tell Dani to talk to Adam and convince him.
Um, duh! She's just seeing this now? It's been like that from the second JJ walked in the house, and it's been obvious to everyone but Shelly.
I wouldn't count out Porsche - if there's one person Adam thinks he's truly aligned with, it's Porsche. If he decides to keep Dani I'll be inclined to think it's because he's working with Porsche, not because Shelly talked him into it.
If JJ really want to have a house meeting, it could easily backfire on them. If Dani is put on the spot in front of everyone, she could turn it around to JJ ordering everyone around and acting like they own the place when everybody knows they are loyal to each other and no one else. If she's careful not to throw Shelly under the bus, she might get the newbies to finally realize that a) JJ need to be broken up and b) Dani's the one to make it happen.
Oooo! I hope there is a house meeting!
Well she probably saw it all along, but in her mind it was better to be WITH the 2 couples vs. against them, but now that Brendon is out and J/J are appearing to stick with Rachel till the final 3 (which wasn't too clear until very recently), she is taking her chance of turning things around. But Adam is ruining everything, its so exasperating. In a lot of ways, Shelly has herself to blame, because they wouldn't have been stuck with impossible Adam this late in the game if she hadn't 1) tattled on Dominic to J/J and instead sided with Dom and Dani way back then, and/or 2) rather than push Kalia to put up Porsche, she could have pushed her to put up Adam. Of course, at that point Shelly was still trying to derail Dani's game rather than help it. So in a way it kind of serves her right if she's on the outs at this point. But I'm still bummed about Daniele cause this game is no fun without her. And I'm disgusted that Adam is outlasting her.
I really, really hope so. Jeff n Jordan are actually pretty obnoxious people, I've come to find out, and their friendly thing is SUCH a fake act, and they need to be taken down hardcore.
Just checking in on Jokers Updates - apparently Adam is talking to himself alone and saying he doesn't trust Shelly, wondering why she wants to flip now, saying Dani is manipulating her to try and manipulate him, and that he's not stupid.
Unless he sorts this through and comes to a reason that he thinks benefits him personally, sounds like it ain't gonna happen. I do maintain though that Porsche has a shot at bringing him onside.
I'm intrigued by the comment in the other thread about some BB staff (people) leaving if Dani gets evicted. Sounds a bit interesting.
Adam - he plays for himself and no one else. If something isn't easy for him & benefits him, then he's not going in that direction.
Dani - if you leave the game this week, at least consider that YOU did you job, not once but twice and got bit in the ass for it both times - first by BB bringing back Brendon, then going along with Jeff and giving stupid Adam the POV. Sigh ... It just sucks that the people I have been cheering for seem to be going out earlier than those I want gone.
Okay so J&J get bashed for doing the exact same thing as Dani? Dani is no saint and getting Dani out now is actually better for everyone. If they nom J&J right after that gets rid of that problem too. She bd'd Brendon while making them think they have a potential deal. She has lied just like Jeff did... the thing is at least Jeff has a reason to put Dani up. Her reason for wanting Jeff gone? The vets should have stayed together longer but Dani screwed it up.
Adam won't budge and I am LMAO that she is now trying to work Rachel. The thing is, I totally see Rachel going back to J&J with this info and it will be Dani out, Shelley and Kalia/Porsche on the block next. (If J/J/R win). It is a bummer too because I did like Shelly and thought she was playing this smart but J/J/R are totally going to gun for her now and she is screwed.
If they keep Dani in the house they are complete idiots.
Adam was on board with putting Dani up so unless he gets a lobotomy, Porsche won't be able to get him to flip.
Adam has so much distrust for Dani that he can't possibly consider anything she says. Like I said before, Dani could offer him $100,000 to keep her and be serious about it but he wouldn't believe her. He is going to regret it but I think he will regret any decision at this point. He is going out in a week or so no matter what, IMO.
If Shelly wants to win this game she needs to win HoH, get rid of Jeff and then take Jordan to the final 2. Jordan may kick and scream the whole way but Shelly will be able to say she made a big move and she has manipulated the entire house without them really understanding it yet. She would be able to argue her worthiness over Jordan easily AND keeping Jordan out of jury means Jordan can't vote against her as Jeff would insist she do.
I always liked Jeff and Jordan but Jeff is really quite an asshole, he acts very immature a lot of the times and talks down to people horribly. He is so entitled, all the vets acted that way except Dani, IMO. Although Dani has had her moments, she seemed to treat the newbies as equals in the game. J/J/B/R all acted as if they DESERVE to win and it isn't fair when the newbies have something go their way. I really do think they were promised a lot of things by Production.
I just really hope that after All Stars they will have an old fashioned season with an all new cast and DO NOT BRING SOMEONE BACK. I hate that.
Dani is a whining brat. She is so self absorbed and gets all upset when people don't do what she wants them to do. Going after B&R because they told J&J about her wanting to bd Jeff. Her whining and threatening them about keeping Dom.
I see the bad qualities of Jeff (moreso than Jordan) and if you get aggravated about one then you have to look at the other honestly too.
Dani needs to go and I don't get how this is so monumental that she needs to stay. If Kalia or Porsche win HoH, J&J get nominated...one of them goes. The only person I think is really sitting pretty ironically is Rachel and Porsche.
Shelly has her emotional moments too though, and still seems to adore Jordan in an almost unhealthy way. Plus, I think if her plea to the jury is all about her integrity and how she never talked behind anyone's back or bashed people or lied or engaged in high school pettiness, then she'll lose.
They're all seeing sides of her they don't trust, and once they compare notes in the jury house, it's over. Similar thing happened to Natalie - IIRC, it wasn't until the jury commiserating that her house of cards started to fall - and Jordan won.
Shelly would need to use her two sidedness as her strategy. She absolutely can not win by campaigning as Mother Theresa but she can win as being a snake in the grass, a manipulator and making a big move (if she does). I think Jordan will have a hard time getting votes from Dani, Porsche and Kalia so Shelly will have to swing Adam's vote and it would be done. I don't see the newbies giving the money to Jordan AGAIN. I know I wouldn't, unless she was sitting next to my worst enemy on earth.
Dani apparently talked to Adam at some point today. Shelly just tried again. No go. He gets what Shelly is saying but again he doesn't trust Dani.
I am a little confused. Adam MUST know that if Dani is HoH she would not have him on her radar, not even close. It would be J/J/R no doubts with one of them going, most likely Jeff or Rachel. If Rachel wins HoH she is probably nominating Adam, at the very least he would be used in case of veto being used. I don't see how Adam thinks it is best to stick with J/J/R whenever only ONE of them can win next week. Jeff can't play, Jordan doesn't win anything so the only one who might win is the one who would most likely put him on the block. If he switches sides he is guaranteed to be safe for a week AND the numbers are much more in his favor (Porsche and Dani with legitimate shots to win HoH or Veto).
I think Adam, being a huge fan of the game, is too smitten with the J/J at this point. He is more interested in helping them win than helping himself but he doesn't realize that is what he is doing.
I don't care about Dani going home anymore. It is destined to happen but Adam's stubborn game play is really really dumb and his undoing. He hasn't won crap (the veto was handed to him) and he refuses to make any kind of move. How in the heck does he plan on winning this game by doing nothing AND teaming up with the people who so openly hate floaters? Very confusing.
Adam is playing such a careful game, which is great in the first half, but now he's at the point where he's being too careful and it could very well cost him.
I wonder if he's thinking that if he's sitting beside Jeff or Jordan at the end, the jury will give it to him as he's friendly with all of them and JJ already have lots of winnings etc. Problem is, in an F3 HOH, you've got only a one in three chance of winning, which he'd have to do.
What Adam probably doesn't realize is IF - and that's a big IF - he's final 3 with his beloved J/J or if it's Rachel with one of J/J, he won't make final 2 unless someone hands him a HoH during that time. Not bloody going to happen and he's a fool if he thinks he can win anything against anyone of those 3. Jeff & Rachel are pretty good at physical stuff and Jordan isn't stupid (although she may act that way).
And there is the benefit of keeping Dani. She seems the only one capable of winning an HOH AND having the balls to take out one of JJR.
Production kind of shot themselves in the foot with their manipulations.
Agree, although Adam might beat them on "which HG said" and other trivia-like questions, but that would be only one segment of the 3-part HOH.
Also remember that Jordan one the final HOH in her first season.
And they know Adams strength is there so they are not going to let him get that far.
Yes, they plan on getting rid of Adam before they get to questions. The problem with that is BB can change up things so it is risky to assume you know when the competition is coming. Just like they all seem to think next week is a fast forward. They should all look really shocked tomorrow, haha
I still think Kalia is way better at questions, she answered those HoH questions so fast that I wasn't even sure what was being asked. I have a feeling she would cream everyone in that but they probably have no intentions of her getting that far, either.
Dani talked to Adam AGAIN but Rachel would not leave them alone. Dani is super pissed and annoyed. Jeff and Rachel have been talkblocking since the veto. I know it is a strategy but how lame. They would be throwing a hissy fit if they got backdoored and were unable to plead their case. Either way, no deal, Rachel swooped in and ran Dani off and now Adam just shook Rachel's hand on a final 5 deal with J/J/S/R/A Best of luck with that. Jeff can't play HoH, Jordan wont win, Shelly and Adam haven't won anything on their own and so it is up to Rachel and Rachel ONLY to win HoH. She is more than capable but I would say the odds are slightly in K/P favor and if they win you can bet Shelly high tails it over there. The 5 member alliance has absolutely EVERYTHING riding on HoH this week.
My first few posts in the old thread were very anti-Donato, so I was surprised to find myself rooting for Dani. Even if some of them flopped, she did at least make some game moves and I will miss her as a competitor when she is gone.
From a J/J perspective, getting Dani out now is the absolutely correct thing to do. I would love if the newbies turned the house upside down and kept her right before the double eviction, but I don't see that happening.
Thursday's episode is only looking good cause there's a second elimination with the possibility of one of those "fantasy five" going to the jury house with Dani. Couldn't you just see it if Jeff or Rachel gets the boot in the second elimination. What a jury house that could be - Brendon, Dani and ??? -- all three powerful players while stupid floaters are still in the game, and yes I'm looking at Shelly & Adam. I call them floaters cause they have won absolutely ZERO on their own and have been riding on the coattails of others -- namely J/J.
Have I mentioned I've pretty much detested much of this season?
Too much Brenchel romance and too much TV time.
Bringing back Brendon on numbers that don't add up.
Kalia blowing her chance to actually be a player and do something to shake up the house.
Jeff and his bullying at times, yet he can be soooo tender with Jordan.
Adam who thinks he's "all that" when he's not.
Shelly the two-faced liar, reminds me of a kid tattling tales and NOT the "trojan horse" she thinks she's been playing.
Rachel carrying on about "her man" :rollseyes:
The pairs twist -- absoluted loathed it, especially when they only applied how things would be applied to the twosomes based upon what they wanted to happen.
Sick to death of returning players on ALL reality shows. Give me a frickin break -- I want to see new players who have no relationship with anyone else in the house. Returning just single players are bad enough, but COUPLES!!! Just plain old stupid.
OK, enough of my rant. Sorry bout that but I'm getting weary of some stuff ...
I think the main reason I want Dani to stay is for there to be some DRAMA in the house! I really grew to like her, she was the only one who attacked the game this season and that is ultimately her downfall. However, this game has been really quite boring the last few years. This season is better, IMO, but not a ton. I am tired of ALWAYS knowing the votes will be unanimous or near it, knowing who will be put up the moment someone wins HoH, etc. No one has changed things up or tried to make a move other than Dani. That is why I want her to stay, if those votes came down for Dani to stay could you imagine the shit that would go down? Oh, it would be classic. Unfortunately with a double eviction we wouldn't get much of a chance to enjoy it. LOL
Shelly is my only hope, believe it or not. She is trying to shake things up but she can't do it unless she wins HoH and I don't see that happening.
Dani has been in Adam's ear a LOT today. He clearly doesn't care but he is being nice about it, after all, she will be in the jury house should he make it to the final 2. He can't keep her now, he has promised J/J that he would vote her out and he shook with Rachel on a Final 5 deal. I don't see Adam going back on that at all.
One thing that stands out to me but Adam and Shelly don't seem to notice: Jordan asked Shelly straight up if she would rather not have a deal with her. Then Jordan kept saying "it is ok, I will understand...we don't have to have a F3 deal." Then later she said "well why don't we just focus on F5 and then everyone is on their own from there." The same thing was said to Adam by Rachel and that is the deal they shook on, F5 and then everyone for themselves. Are Shelly and Adam that stupid? Jordan was just trying to get out of all of her F3 promises to you, Shelly! You didn't seem to notice. J/J have made it very clear that Rachel is there because no one can lose against her in the F2. They will drag her straight to the F3 and then get rid of her...or not...if she wins final HoH they still think the one left standing will beat her. Adam and Shelly are only buying themselves a couple of weeks, at most. Then they will be put on the block immediately. Shelly has this mostly figured out but she is helpless as long as Adam thinks he can win. I know I keep repeating myself, but this seems so obvious to me...
Dani seems not above threatening Adam now. How does she expect him to vote for her to stay if she is being completely vile to him?
I think it is her time to go. I think either Porsche or Kalia are going to win HoH and J & R are going up and Jordan will be replacement nominee.
I am still hoping either Jeff/ Jordan/ Adam or Shelley win this season.
I'm surprised you're still watching
Rachel reminds me of a woman that used to work in my department. The woman had a baby, and for years after, kept pushing her daughter (Madison) into any conversation. Example...another woman came up to work with her several week old baby. Anything the woman said her baby did, Madison's mom would say that her daughter (then about 5 yrs old) did that, and better.
We used to joke about it. When someone in the office would discuss something...anything, we'd tie it in to her daughter. "The air is chilly this morning". "My Madison breathes air!"
Fast forward 10 yrs. The child is a Springer episode, waiting to happen.
THAT, is what Rachel is like, to me.
Porsche is now talking to Adam. He seemed to be in lost in a thought for a while as he sat in the room by himself. He also had just come out of DR so I wonder what they said to him,