Better skater- Yamaguchi or Yu Na Kim

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Better skater- Yamaguchi or Yu Na Kim

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  1. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    Both are Olympic Champions. Both usually win but arent as popular with skating fans as their achrivals Midori Ito and Mao Asada. Both women shied away from the risk and reward of the triple axel their main rival(s) were doing. Both have their share of fans and detractors alike. Both are known for their consistent jumping and quiet elegance on the ice. Which do you consider the better skater- Kristi Yamaguchi or Yu Na Kim.
     
  2. seaner00

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    I would have to say Yu Na Kim.
    Kristi had a lot of problems with her triple salchow during her 92 Olympics and Worlds.
    Yu Na is also skating for a longer period of time, more than Kristi's 4 years in international competition so I think she will eventually if not already do more than Kristi has.
     
  3. overedge

    overedge Well-Known Member

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    Tonya Harding landed four triple axels in competition, all of them in a single year, and even then she didn't win every competition in which she landed the triple axel. And she was the only woman at that level doing the triple axel, so it's not like Kristi Yamaguchi was being pressured by a bunch of competitors with a jump she didn't have. Yamaguchi didn't "sh[y] away" from doing the triple axel, because there was no reason for her to do it, and no reward in doing so. She could win very consistently without it.
     
  4. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    Harding was not the only women at that level doing the triple axel, Ito was doing it as well and was Kristi's main rival. And if Ito landed the triple axel then Kristi was in huge trouble. Midori Ito beat Yamaguchi in every competition she successfully landed a triple axel except for the 92 Olympics because she fell in the short. And even Harding beat Yamaguchi 2 of 3 times she landed the triple axel at 91 U.S Nationals and 91 Skate America. The one time she didnt was at the 91 Worlds were she blew 3 of her other 6 planned triples.

    In Kristi's 2 Championships seasons she lost 3 times- 91 Nationals, 91 Skate America, and 91 Lalique. So it wasnt ever clear she could win consistently without it, she was always at risk if Ito and Harding skated well with it.

    If one of Kim or Yamaguchi didnt have to worry about their rivals triple axel it was really Kim. COP is very different than 6.0 and by the scores it seems Asada has no chance against a clean Kim even with her triple axels.
     
  5. Carmen Ovsiannikov

    Carmen Ovsiannikov Well-Known Member

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    Well, already I'm in the minority but as an overall skater (not just jumping) I chose Kristi Yamaguchi and at the risk of being flamed :lynch: I even think that at the moment and especiallly last season Yu Na (I do like her) was a tiny bit overrated. Also after last season I wouldn't say that Mao is more popular than Yu Na at all. IIRC, last season the commentators and fans mostly talked about Yu Na being the dominant skater and the judges seemed to agree and marked her as such with record breaking marks. No one gave Mao a snowballs chance in hell to win the gold in Vancouver even if she had skated clean.

    It is true that both Tonya Harding and Midori Ito had triple axels in their jumping arsenals but those two ladies gained attention for those jumps because during Kristi's time as an amateur competitor they were the exception to the rule. The technical content needed to win championships still was nowhere near what it is today. Also both Tonya and Midori lacked in the artistic merit department where Kristi was better. In all fairness Kristi did benefit from a little luck as well in that Tonya and Midori has missed jumps when it counted.

    As I said I do like Yu Na but last season while she is working on being an elegant skater I still feel it's in the TES in which she is stronger. I haven't seen her this season, not even in exhibition so I'm not sure if I would feel differently but last year I felt that she still doesn't have a true connection with her music. She's working on improving her interpretation but it still feels/felt choreographed. Meaning when she did arm movement or changed her facial expression it didn't seem as if she really felt it but only that was the part of the program in which she was supposed to do this or that.

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  6. Vash01

    Vash01 Fan of Julia, Elena, Anna, Liza, and Vera

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    How did you forget Midori Ito? She was landing the triple axels in competition consistently. If Midori had landed the triple axel in both the SP (she did not try it in the SP in the 1992 Oly) and the two she had planned in the LP, she would have definitely beaten Kristi for the OGM. Kristi's main rival on the world stage was Midori, not Tonya.
     
  7. CantALoop

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    Yamaguchi for lines/posture, although her jumps were tiny and even smaller compared to Yu-Na's. The tie breaker for me was that only one of them was a pair skater ;)
     
  8. briancoogaert

    briancoogaert Well-Known Member

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    YuNa is definitely a better technician skater. Kristi has better lines, emotion...
     
  9. antmanb

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    I voted for Yamaguchi just to see if some posters heads would explode :p
     
  10. briancoogaert

    briancoogaert Well-Known Member

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    :EVILLE:
     
  11. MikiAndoFan#1

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    :lol:
     
  12. miki88

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    I'm not sure if I would say Kim and Kristi's styles are similar. Kim is elegant but I wouldn't say it is a "quiet elegance." She's more dramatic and dynamic. As an amateur, I would give it to Kim for better programs. If we take into their overall careers, Kristi has the edge.
     
  13. aliceanne

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    Kristi certainly wasn't the jumper that Yuna is but she maintained her jumping ability through the triple lutz for many years after she went pro. I can't think of any other female skater who did. Kristi was also a 2 time national medalist at pairs. She certainly was a consistent and well-rounded skater.

    How would Yuna have done competitively if she had had to train figures while growing up and was unable to earn money from skating before turning pro? That is something we will never know.
     
  14. RumbleFish

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    Mao-chan, Miki-chan,
    頑張れ。頑張れ。:cheer2::cheer::cheer2::cheer:
     
  15. Rex

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    I found Yama to be a much more interesting skater once she turned pro.
     
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  16. PashaFan

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    I agree. I was more of a Nancy Kerrigan fan when Kristi was skating.
    Kristi is one of the best Pro skaters out there.
    She has used so many different types of themes in her programmes.
    Kim is VERY talented but for me a little too young at the moment to show the emotions of Kristi.
    Kristi has life experience. Her routine to Bridge Over Troubled Water will live with me forever. But in terms of her World & Olympic career I think they are very close.
    Kristi made a lot of errors in her routines, more than Kim does in hers.
    But for Gala & Show routines Kristi is one of the best (My fave is Katarina Witt).
     
  17. Triple Butz

    Triple Butz Well-Known Member

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    Yes, and YuNa's Triple Loop jump at the Olympics was just gorgeous...:rolleyes:

    I voted for Yuna, I feel she has better skating skills and presentation and agree with those that Kristi didn't really develop until AFTER the OGM.
     
  18. Rex

    Rex Well-Known Member

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    Remember the "Doop-Doop"? I think that was the name of it. She did it on the pro circuit for a long time.
     
  19. overedge

    overedge Well-Known Member

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    Many of Ito's triple axels were landed in competitions that Yamaguchi wasn't participating in (e.g. Japanese championships). Tonya Harding was more of a rival to Yamaguchi simply because they were both American and so competed in more events against each other.

    And I don't agree that Ito would have beaten Yamaguchi in the Olympics if she had landed those three triple axels. Yamaguchi was definitely the more artistic/interpretive skater, and that would have been very difficult to beat purely on technical scores.
     
  20. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    Ito skating her best would get 5.9s and 6.0s on technical scores, and 5.8s and 5.9s on artistic scores. That would definitely be enough to win, especialy with how Kristi skated in Albertville which wasnt great at all. Kristi has never beaten Ito in any event where she landed the triple axel and was in the top 3 after the SP.

    Actually Ito landing 2 triple axels might get straight 6.0s in technical scores since she managed many of them if she skated clean with only 1 in the past.
     
    Last edited: Apr 21, 2011
  21. overedge

    overedge Well-Known Member

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    These are a lot of "ifs" and other assumptions. I think Yamaguchi's record against Ito *and* Harding speaks quite strongly enough for why she didn't need the triple axel.
     
  22. Mafke

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    I generally enjoy Kim's skating more, but I'd vote for Yamaguchi because:

    - She was US national champion in both singles and pairs

    - She could do figures (not great, but she could do them. She was probably too lightweight to ever be great at them but I'm sure she would have gotten better if she needed to)

    - She had a very long distinguished pro-career (while Kim's career is still on....)

    Basically, which is better, apples or oranges?
     
  23. muffinbiscuit

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    I never found Kristi to be a dynamic nor emotional skater. Her artistry was evident, but it wasn't done with any panache. I always sat at the edge of my seat when Ito and even Harding skated. And, the speed of Yuna's triple lutz/triple toe was exiting. I never got excited watching Kristi as a competitive skater.

    I never thought she should have won the short program against Harding in '91. Harding's jumps and spins were exceptional. To me, Kristi was more of a pretty and complete skater.
     
  24. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    LOL Yamaguchi has a losing career head to head with Ito, both in just amateur competition and combined amateur/pro competition. :lol: It is obvious the fact you actually started off saying Harding was the only one Kristi competed against who did the triple axel that you probably didnt even watch skating back then so really no point carrying this any further with you. :shuffle:
     
  25. overedge

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    No, I didn't say that Harding was "the only one" that had a triple axel. I pointed out Harding as one example that clearly counteracts your theory of Yamaguchi shying away from the triple axel. And actually I did watch skating back then. I attended quite a few of the competitions with Yamaguchi, Ito and Harding in them, so I think I have a lot more experience to draw on regarding this issue than you obviously do. If you can't accept that your basic premise is flawed, so really no point carrying this any further with you :shuffle:
     
  26. nanigirl

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    You did say she was the only one.
     
  27. RockTheTassel

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    I don't think we can really judge yet since Yuna's career isn't over. When Kristi was Yuna's age, she hadn't won the Olympics or her second World title. Since Yuna is only twenty and still competing, I think she has the potential for many more improvements and accomplishments.

    At this point, it's kind of a toss up. I think Yuna is a better singles skater overall, but Kristi managing to achieve so much in both singles and pairs is quite impressive.
     
  28. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    Ooops. Watch overedge hide away now. :lol:
     
  29. Vash01

    Vash01 Fan of Julia, Elena, Anna, Liza, and Vera

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    Yu na does not have lines but she has great artistry and interpretation of music. Kristi developed a lot after turning pro, but if you compare the two when each won the OGM, Yu na is the better skater at her OGM than Kristi was at hers.
     
  30. olympic

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    Interestingly, both had a 3z-3t and were missing an edge jump to varying degrees: Kristi- 3sal, Yu Na- 3loop.

    Yu Na had more speed, powerful jumps and more difficult combos w/ a 3z-3t and 2x-3t. Kristi had only the 3z-3t

    Yet Kristi had better non-jump elements IMO