Best male skater of the 2000s

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Best male skaters of the 2000s

  1. Lysacek

    19 vote(s)
    6.2%
  2. Plushenko

    77 vote(s)
    25.2%
  3. Yagudin

    109 vote(s)
    35.7%
  4. Lambiel

    44 vote(s)
    14.4%
  5. Takahashi

    50 vote(s)
    16.4%
  6. Joubert

    6 vote(s)
    2.0%
  1. ciocio

    ciocio New Member

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    Plushenko, just like other skaters listed here, had everything he needed to win important competitions. What else does he need, Nours' approval?
    Let's call all of them "best" and close the thread. :fan:
    By the way, if Marton's name has been dropped, we should also mention Plushenko's wife, right? :rolleyes:
  2. misskarne

    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

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    I always thought one of the most hilarious things after Vancouver were the people saying "Evan's programs were so beautiful and artistic, and Plushenko was just flailing!" I'm all...yeah...you can't have one without the other.
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    Where can I find them? I WANT TO SEE them! :grope: At least Joubert can strip and look good in his birthday suit.:swoon:
  5. VarBar

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    I don't know much about trolling, how was the OP a troll? Because they said Lysacek was the best of the decade without explaining why they think he was? I've understood Proustable voted for Lysacek by mistake but how about the other 14 people who clicked on Lysacek's name, were they all trolling?:confused: Lysacek won a couple of gold medals when it counted, didn't he? And he beat along the way skating skills phenom Chan - who said Lysacek's skating looks labored? It's obviously not true lol -, charismatic performer Joubert, fierce competitor & quad jumper Plushenko and artistic skaters Lambiel, Takahashi and Weir. Lysacek is not a popular skater? I agree, he is not but since when is popularity an indication of greatness? See the Gangnam style versus Beethoven.:p

    No, Joubert didn't but Tomas Verner did and just look at the number of views and Likes for this video.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=VxchLX4askA#t=117s

    What is Brian waiting for to take off his pants? I'm pretty sure he too has some legs to show.:swoon:
  6. misskarne

    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

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    Definite troll.
  7. senorita

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    Maybe Lysacek is better than Plush since when it mattered the most, he beat him?:cold:

    Joubert showed some leg when his costume unstrapped last year at Euros. He was so cool keep skating with it.
    Yes yes Kevin wins, I had told my friends to vote for him :cheer2: he was certainly missed in Zagreb.
  8. umronnie

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    No, no, no. Kevin won a national competition. Eurvision is a continental competition. Can Kevin sing? :)
  9. senorita

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    Why? Can Plushenko sing?:lol:
    (Dima Bilan cant either but thats another point..:slinkaway)
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    Joubert shows his undies in a fluff piece at Eurosport one year. Should be on YouTube somewhereD:D:D
  11. Zemgirl

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    See misskarne's response.

    I did not say regular Sex Bomb, I said Baby Sex Bomb. And Brian does not take his clothes off for galas, only for fluffs (just search for Joubert & underwear on Youtube :p). Though as senorita noted, he did show some leg at Euros last year ;)

    I'm not sure I want to find out, though it is hardly a prerequisite for winning Eurovision. But here are Joubert's efforts in that respect.
  12. ciocio

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    Damn! I've already voted for Plushenko, could I change my vote?:D:p Brian is the best ever, no doubt!;)
  13. Jenny

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    I remember Joubert stepping off the ice at Calgary Worlds a few years ago and tearing off his shirt on his way backstage. There was actually a collective gasp heard around the arena :lol:

    Anyway, this contest is over, because the obvious winner is Yagudin. There is no more important measure in skating that an FSU poll. :rollin:
  14. lauravvv

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    Someone should make a 'Best male skater of the 2000s except Yagudin/Plushenko' poll ;).
  15. lala

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    No matter, me and many other people think that is pure magic. :)
  16. shine

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    I'm not sure if you were hinting at posts that I have made :D I'm not sure about others, but in all honesty I am definitely capable of writing pages and pages explaining why Lambiel's skating makes me :swoon:, in precise dissertation form if neccessary. I just try hard to keep my uberdom in check so that I don't turn other posters off like what lala has done :D Also, not all of us are blessed with infinite time. I mean, I'd rather be spending the limited time that I have watching, for example, my beloved Lambiel videos and sharing them with others who might enjoy them rather than trying to convince other posters in endless debates like this which neither side's opinions will ever be changed. :)
  17. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    No, not you or anyone specific, but a bunch of posts early on that are just basically saying "Lambiel is the best, so I voted for him!" Which as I said, is fine. I totally agree with you. It's not really adding anything for substantive debate, just explaining why they voted the way they did. And lala can't expect for everyone to write a post like she did, or to expect that if no one comes up with a similar breakdown of why their choice exceeds Plushy in each category, that it can be said that Plush "won" the thread. It is not necessary and it would be impossible to prove that Lambiel is the most artistic, most awesome, whatever, even though one certainly could make a convincing argument about skating quality by tallying up all his levels/points for spins, the amount of times he got level 4 footwork, breakdown of his PCS, number of quads attempted/landed, firsts on the international level for Switzerland, fan clubs around the world, display of all his beautiful programs over the years, programs he has choreographed for others, participation in shows like Opera on Ice, etc, etc. It can be done, but is not necessary to justify one's opinion. And indeed, if done in an aggressive way, can turn people off.
  18. judgejudy27

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    Well Evan is none of:

    -The most accomplished skater of the decade. Plushenko and Yagudin both achieved MUCH more this decade than him, and that is with Yagudin achieving a ton the previous decade too and having his career ended way prematurely by injury to boot. His Olympic Gold isnt even an edge on those guys who both won the Olympics in far more spectacular fashion with performance that would have obliterated Vancouver Evan, just as they obliterated the stronger fields they faced those given years.

    -The highest level of peak skating of the decade. In this he would probably be dead last. Plushenko, Yagudin, Lambiel, Takahashi, Chan, Joubert, at their best would all beat the Lysacek of Vancouver or 2007 Nationals.

    -The biggest impact on skating. In this too he would probably be dead last.

    -The best longevity. That would be Joubert.

    -The most consistency over the decade. That would be Plushenko when he competed.

    -The best technical skills, the best artistic skills, the most dominance, the most medals, the most gold medals. Evan would be none of those things. Heck he has only 4 combined World or Olympic medals his whole career, and something like only 7 total international titles (only 3 regular grand prix wins).

    So essentialy there would be absolutely no reason to vote for him other than trolling or extreme fandom. :lol: So he beat most of those skaters in one competition? Big deal. Plushenko, Lambiel, Takahashi, Chan, and Joubert have all beaten all those skaters minus Yagudin (who Evan never faced or beat either) in one competition, most of those numerous ones, as well. Beating a really old Plushenko, past his best Lambiel, back from injury and not fully back Takahashi, past his best Joubert, and back from injury and also well before peak years Chan, does not make one of the skater of the decade.
  19. lala

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    Today was the most entertaining debate in this matter. :)

    And Yagudin won the poll. :encore::40beers: He has 93 votes. Plushy has 67 and so on... ;)
    Tomas Verner:
    "It's without mentioning of Evgeni Plushenko - probably the only one skater in the world, capable alone to filed full arena."
    Brian Orser:
    ....
    Plushenko - supertalant. And the fact that he is still willing and able to compete with much younger children, is admirable. What really surprised me in Zagreb - is his refusal to quadruple jump in the short program. Because Plushenko - unbeaten fighter. After that he made at the last European Championships in Sheffield, I became his fan. True. Remember thinking, OK, we have to admit he is a god figure skating, if he can fight like this. It was amazing! I did see him in training - such a calm, even relaxed. But Plushenko knows exactly how to get together when you go to the start. I know that he really wants to come to Sochi, and I can only wish him a full recovery and get in shape. Such men as he pushed all the other forward. This is for my students. They look at him with wide eyes. Besides Plushenko - the kind of person who surrounds the special aura they create around themselves a special atmosphere. And it's impossible to miss.

    and so on..

    :)
  20. DaiKozOda

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    :rofl:
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    :lol: I believed, I'm the only one who thinks Dima can't sing...;) But the song is great, I like it.
  22. Zemgirl

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    Joubert also had medical issues that season - he spiked his blade into his foot and suffered tendon and ligament damage two and a half months before Vancouver (he missed the GPF and French Nats as a result). Lysacek had a stress fracture that was diagnosed over a year earlier, and yet we heard about it ad nauseam, as if he was facing a huge challenge compared to the other guys.

    The achievement of winning an OGM can't be taken from Lysacek, but this is not equivalent to, say, the ladies event in which many skaters were in :kickass: form, or SLC with Yagudin and Plushenko in their prime.

    Finally we are in agreement on something.

    Short-lived agreement, though.
  23. Glacier cat

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    Lysacek didnt win Dancing with the Stars too.:barrel
  24. lala

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    It's matter of taste, too. :)
  25. Holley Calmes

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    Well, he should have! I'm not a Lysachek fan-though I don't hate him either-but I was furious he didn't win DWTS that year. What's her face was a ringer! She had it won before the season started. (Nicole Schw...something. Talk about trashy!) I think Evan did a great job and danced very well-and looked very elegant. In fact, I might like him better as a dancer than a skater. I had never watched that show before and will not again. If I'm going to watch ballroom, which I really love, it's going to be the high quality competitions.
  26. Simone411

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    I voted for Mr. Lambiel. Love his moves. I wish it could have been multiple choice, however, and more skaters added to the poll. I also love Yagudin, Lysacek and Timothy Goebel ... bronze medalist and bravo with his quad! :40beers: :respec:
  27. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    Evan was a ringer too. :p Nicole Scherzinger was freaking awesome and had the best choreographer/partner in Derek Hough. They were the best DWTS pairing ever for me.

    Maybe we ought to make a poll :lol:... best performance by a figure skater in DWTS... who else is there besides Lysacek, Yamaguchi, and van der Perren? Navka and Biellman did the Eurovision dance contest but it was a one off.
  28. VarBar

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    I didn't see that post, thank you. So, is trolling about being intentionally or unintentionally funny?:lol: kwanlysacek probably just wants to amuse people and I can see no harm in that.
    Then again, when I come to think of it, who knows what would happen at the Sochi Olympics if Lysacek were serious about returning and could land a quad or two. He scored really high in Vancouver for programs with no quads, especially his SP score stands the test of time. I suspect a clean Lysacek with a quad, the PC boost for the quad and the 10% bonus for jumps done in the second half of the program would be high up there with a clean Hanyu, a clean Chan, a clean Takahashi and most likely a clean Plushenko. And Lysacek's OGM reputation would do the rest.:kickass:

    Does Orser know about this best of the decade poll? How can we get Orser here to vote for Plushenko?;)
  29. VarBar

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    Yes, it does seem like the stars aligned for Lysacek to become an Olympic champion. However, I don't think we should go the ""he was lucky" way in judging a win we are not particularly happy with. Some people are of the opinion that Lambiel wouldn't have won any of his world titles if Plushenko had been around or that Takahashi would have finished third again like in Vancouver if Lysacek and Plushenko had competed at 2010 Worlds in Italy. In which case, none of them would be listed in any best of the decade poll. But I agree with the rest of your post.:)
  30. Holley Calmes

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    How was Evan a ringer? He hadn't ever had any ballroom and Nichole was a trained dancer. That just doesn't seem fair at all not only to Evan but to the rest of the pack that year, whoever they were. I don't remember. I agree she was really good although I can't compare her to any other year's crop. That was the only year I've watched.
  31. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    Many people consider figure skaters ringers because their sport involves performing choreography to music, spinning, footwork, attention to posture and lines, etc. When Kristi was announced there was definitely a feeling of her being a ringer who was guaranteed to win, which she did. Nicole was more of a ringer than Evan but if she hadn't been there he would've been considered the ringer of the season. His participation could be considered unfair to the others.
  32. Holley Calmes

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    Well, I guess we can speculate all night, but I still remember reading/hearing about how hard Evan had to work to get the technique and stylistics of each dance down....but of course hard work is probably his greatest talent. I enjoyed watching him more than watching that hoochie mama. ;) I think I said up thread that I enjoyed his dancing more than his skating. No, he isn't anywhere near the other skaters to me, but I do have a great respect for his work ethic.

    It's all PR deals. Nicole was trying to emerge as a serious star at that time and had a lot of publicity elsewhere going on too. I don't see her in the media as much as back then. She is a beautiful girl-I just didn't like the way she packaged herself. Good luck to her.
  33. judgejudy27

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    Takahashi skated much better at Worlds than at the Games. I dont think either Lysacek or Plushenko could have beaten him personally. His winning score was basically a virtual tie with their Vancouver scores too but scoring at Vancouver was ridiculously high so essentialy was higher.

    As for Lambiel, I think he would have been alot more motivated if he hadnt won the 05 and 06 Worlds and probably won in the future, especialy as he could have won any of 2007-2009 with his 2006 performances. He admitted to losing motivation after his success in 05-06, and that the last 2 years before his first retirement were a struggle, and the main reason why he left. As far as his Oly Gold chances, not having won Worlds as early as he did might have been better for him anyway, as obviously his chances peaking for 2010 would be 10x higher than peaking for 2006. Anyway Plushenko was not on his way to the gold even had he skated out the 2005 Worlds (granted he was injured while competing, but the record books would have still recorded him as a silver or bronze medalists if he didnt WD, hence why he WD, lol)
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    I think he withdrew because he was too injured to continue. Even if he could get silver or bronze if he continued, he could risk further injure himself beyond repair for the Olympics. Just saying...
  35. umronnie

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    I think so, too. First, Plushy is not oe to give up. Second, I wet back and checked the results after the short. He had a 7 poit differece from Lambiel, and Lambiel was not known as a consistent skater back then. It was quite possible for him to win, unless he was too injured.
  36. misskarne

    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

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    Actually I think 2005 was the year he had pnumonia and skated with a massive temperature and had to go to hospital straight after the SP...he collapsed on the ice during the qualifying round and Joubert cattily accused him of faking it.
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    No, I dont know anything pneumonia. He had breathing problems at Euros 2006.

    2005 was the year with hernia problems, he participated in one Gp and didnt want to go the final, to which he qualified as an alternative because Weir withdrew. Then by Worlds 2005 he was a mess and he had double hernia and skated with injections again the Q round without quad and the sp falling flat. There was a lot of fight with RF wanting him to qualify 3 men for Olys, but he was unable to move, had a surgery after Worlds and the rehab took a lot of months. If you remember many discussions had taken place about how he would comeback in less than a year fixed with glue to go to Olys.
  38. umronnie

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    the more things change the more they stay the same...
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    definitely Yag.
    His skating is elegant and beautiful.
    And he is handsome.:swoon: