Best ice dance team in history

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  1. usova94gold

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    Who do you consider the best ice dance team in history. It seems a 3 way choice between Gritschuk & Platov, Torvill & Dean, and Klimova & Ponomarenko probably. I picked Torvill & Dean, since I dont think Gritschuk & Platov deserved their 94 gold which should have gone to Usova & Zhulin (and Torvill & Dean maybe should have won silver over Gritschuk & Platov as their program that night was technically harder and less sloppy, and both had illegal moments). I couldnt pick Klimova & Ponomarenko since I dont think they ever beat Torvill & Dean head to head even though they would have at the 92 and 94 Olympics had T&D competed, but those wouldnt count much when T&D were almost 40 by then.
  2. usova94gold

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    I voted for Usova & Zhulin not since I really believe it is them but I know they probably wont get many votes and they are my favorite team ever. Plus they were clearly robbed of the 91 Worlds, 94 Olympics, 94 Worlds, 96 Worlds, 94 Europeans, 95 Europeans, and with those titles they might atleast be in consideration even if not the outright choice.
  3. PairSk8Fan

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    My vote is for Ludmilla Pakhomova. She was a wonderful performer out there on the ice despite the very restrictive nature of the ice dance rules of the time.

    To find to a statue of Ludmilla in Russia, Peggy Fleming was once told a "river of humanity" would lead you to her. She touched an entire empire with her performances.
  4. Shyjosie

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    From those listed, I picked Klimova/Ponomarenko, as they had earned Olympic medals in all colours (bronze'84, silver'88, gold'92, a unique achievement), had to cope with strong competitors during their amateur years and went on to be fantastic professionals. Their gold medal winning program from '92 might have even beaten Bolero (but I guess it's sacrilegeous to say such thing...) :slinkaway
  5. Vash01

    Vash01 Well-Known Member

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    I think it would have, based on the level of difficulty.
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    It probably should have beaten Bolero based on the level of difficulty. However it probably wouldnt have based on the judges scoring. K&P only beat the Duchensays in the FD on a 5-4 split and had lower technical marks than the Duchensays, which was outrageously wrong.
  7. usova94gold

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    Wow cant believe Virtue & Moir have more votes than Klimova & Ponomarenko. Virtue & Moir are a great team but they never dominated the way teams like Torvill & Dean, Klimova & Ponomarenko, or Gritschuk & Platov did.
  8. VIETgrlTerifa

    VIETgrlTerifa Well-Known Member

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    Klimova/Ponomarenko for me. They could have done anything.
  9. aka_gerbil

    aka_gerbil Rooting for the Underdogs

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    T/D, K/P, and G/P were all of a different political era. No team has won more than 2 world titles since G/P, for example. Also, placements and medal count aren't the sole criteria for determining which team is best based on skill and what they're putting down on ice in terms of skating/dancing.
  10. Jammers

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    I think Torvill & Dean only faced Klimova & Ponomarenko way back in 1984 when K&P were a up and coming team and T&D were the best team in the world so you can't compare the two teams during that time. K&P were about 5 years from starting to hit their peak.
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    bourne/kraatz but no navka/kostomarov, delobel/schoenfelder, denkova/staviski?:confused:
  12. VIETgrlTerifa

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    T/D probably would have beaten K/P as, for some reason, K/P just weren't as politically popular by the time it was "their turn" to win. Compare the marks that they received in the 1989-1992 quad to Bestmianova/Bukin's from 1985-1988. Of course, K/P had to deal with the popularity of the Duschenays (with the championing and choreography of Christopher Dean), a totally changing ice dancing landscape that evolved to a more interpretive/modern dance style, and even the freshness of Usova/Zhulin at their peak.
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    And no Regoczy/Sallay. I'm fine with B/K over N/K, but not over the D/S'

    K/P and T/D are my top two.
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    I know that pro results don't really "count" but how did the two teams do against each other in the pro competitions? Both of the teams retired before I started watching pro competitions often. I only remember seeing T&D compete in one pro competition and K&P were not there, IIRC.
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    Oh yeah, voted for T&D but K&P and G&P are a close second and third. V&M will be right up there too if they win another OGM.
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    B/K were definitely better than Delobel/Schoenfelder. N/K were at least as good as B/K but it seems like they were only around for such a short time. I agree about DenStas though, although I don't think they were much better than B&K.
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    Why is this even a poll? Although there are some great teams on this list, Torvill and Dean set the standard for ice dance for many years, and got marks for their competitive programs that will probably never be equalled. A more accurate poll would be: who are the best ice dance team in history other than Torvill and Dean.
  18. briancoogaert

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    OK OK, I would have voted for Grishuk&Platov few month ago.
    But I discovered a lot of T&D videos. I already loved their amazing compulsories. But their OSP and FD are fabulous too.
    And the last program I've watched amazed me even more :
    Encounter Touching, effective... :swoon:

    So, my vote goes to T&D :)
  19. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    Well, so far over 60% of the FSUers who voted disagreed that T&D were the best, so apparently it was a good idea for a poll.... :p

    The marks T&D received is one argument, but an argument can certainly be made for the team who beat T&D in the Olympics and went on to become the only two-time OGMs, or the only team in history to have a full set of Olympic medals...

    I voted for B&B. I don't think they are the best in history, but I didn't think it was right for them to have zero votes. They are much better, more creative, and have a better career than many on this list. Besides, I always have a hard time deciding between G&P, K&P, T&D, and V&M.
  20. butyrskafanatic

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    Those are just amateur meetings. In their pro meetings where T&D always beat K&P even though they were way older. Although pro events were mostly fixed and depending on favortism anyway.
  21. butyrskafanatic

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    Well alot of people dont vote for T&D so it must be worth a poll.


    I can see the point for Virtue & Moir made by one poster since they had Davis & White as a chief rival, and Davis & White are probably top 5 all time as well along with K&P, T&D, G&P, V&M, and maybe B&B. The others had no top rival that strong.

    Torvill & Dean only had a not in their primes Bestiamanova & Bukin and an even further from their primes Klimova & Ponomarenko, and an always undermarked Blumberg & Seibert. No threats.

    B&B had only K&P who the Russian hierarchy kept behind no matter what.

    K&P had a technically weak but very popular Duchensays, and a beautiful but also technically limited Usova & Zhulin.

    Gritschuk & Platov probably had the strongest competition with Krylova & Ovsiannikov and Anissina & Peizerat at once, and alot of other good secondary teams. Virtue & Moir the second hardest just due to Davis & White alone, even if there is nothing else at all. B&B or T&D had the easiest competition of all.


    The dance field today is super weak as far as depth but Virtue & Moir and Davis & White each have to face a fellow best ever candidate. Plus ice dance judging is far different than it used to be. It used to be you were the champion and you had to fall all over to lose. Not so today.
  22. DannyCurry

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    Ice dancing is my least favorite discipline, and I know they weren't the best in CD or OD but I picked other, for the Duchesnays, the most innovative dancers ever, in my opinion. Yeah, maybe there was some jingoism accounting for my vote.
  23. Rob

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    As much as I loved T&D, I think K&P's A Man and a Woman is my favorite FD ever.
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  25. VIETgrlTerifa

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    I'm just so happy to see Klimova/Ponomarenko leading this poll (though barely). I always think they're not appreciated enough.
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    Why are Bourne & Kraatz on the poll.
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    It is close between the big 3 now but if Virtue & Moir win in Sochi everyone will have to concede they are the best ever, no arguments.
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    As much as I love them, I won't concede that.
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    Well fair enough, but I think winning 2 Olympic Golds in a time with another one of the all time best like Davis & White would far trump what anyone in history have done. Klimova couldnt even win 2 with much weaker competition (in the 88 and 92 tries) and 3 tries. Same for Jayne Torvill and Dean who lost to an out of their prime Gritschuk & Platov and a way out of form Usova & Zhulin in their 3rd try of Olympic Gold. V&M would have had only 2 tries and won both vs first rate rivals who beat them many times.
  30. VIETgrlTerifa

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    Well it's not as if Klimova/Ponomarenko or Torvill/Dean fell all over the place. There are other reasons aside from their own performances/skill set and their competition as to why they didn't win two OGMs. I'm also pretty sure Virtue/Moir were helped that COP ushered in a new era of ice dancing mobility that was unprecedented even if that's controlled now that most teams grew up under the IJS.
  31. overedge

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    And Olympic gold medals are not the only measure of accomplishment, and not the only measure of influence on the sport.
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    Not only by fans but by judges. I have a hard time of thinking of a team who the judges made to work harder for their titles or screwed out of as many titles as they were.
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    It would simply be an amazing feat if V/M win again in Sotchi (considering they are the first north Americans OGM, first to win in a home country, and youngest ice dancers OGM).
  34. overedge

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    Anyone who thinks that T&D should not be the automatic winners of this poll needs to go over to YouTube and watch T&D's compulsory dances in competition. Free dances, short dances, and OPs are not the only determinant of "best".
  35. VIETgrlTerifa

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    I personally loved Anissina/Peizerat's compulsories in SLC. That Blues CD was divine.
  36. overedge

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    Yes, A/P were really strong in the compulsories too.
  37. DORISPULASKI

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    Of course they will not. G&P won two Olympics, and they are not even in the top 3 in the above poll If V&M lose the Olympics to D&W, would you automatically think V&M and D&W would suddenly be tied in the above poll? Of course not.

    The original poster is voting for U&Z and they never won an Olympics. People vote on criteria other than how teams scored in competition.
  38. Shyjosie

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    Nice, I was about to do the same, for the pure admiration I have for them. Then, I voted for the team that beat them. No question, if this poll was about what ice dancing team we liked most, my vote would have gone to the Duchesnays, for the same reason.

    Surely not, but neither are compulsories. The silent question of who you like and support most will always influence your vote. If we want to determine the automatic winner we must calculate their average scores and rank them, and set criteria as to what is considered more valuable:
    -winning against a weak competitor with a sky-high score or winning by a margin against gladiators.
    -winning two OGMs or winning Olympic medals of all colours, or, maybe, competing at five Olympics without medalling (as Drobiazko/Vanagas managed).
    -not winning any OGM, but many, many medals otherwise through endurance and being acknowledged and so overcoming any competition, weak and strong.
    It would be difficult to do that, not just because of the incompatibility of the 6.0 and PCS systems.
    Exactly, and that's why a poll will never express anything more than a bunch of opinions, which are based on more or less reasonable considerations. Counting medals and scores a team got might give a hint for thier credibility as contenders, but the question who's your favourite will always shine through.

    It's interesting to watch how differently people are classifying the poll's teams' competitors - who had strong competition, who hadn't?
  39. Jammers

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    Klimova/Ponomarenko were skating during that time especially in the Soviet Union when you had to wait your turn while the more veteran Russian team was pushed as the number one team which meant back then being the #2 Russian team meant being the #2 team in the World. It had nothing to do with who was better. K/P probably should have been two time Olympic champions but the bullshit politics of ice dancing back then made them wait their turn.
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    :rofl: Did you forget to log in as a different pseud?
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