Best Bronze Medal Olympic performance by a Lady

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Best Olympic Bronze Medal performance by a Lady

Poll closed Nov 27, 2012.
  1. Debbie Thomas (1988)

    2 vote(s)
    1.2%
  2. Nancy Kerrigan (1992)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. Chen Lu (1994)

    20 vote(s)
    11.6%
  4. Chen Lu (1998)

    51 vote(s)
    29.7%
  5. Michelle Kwan (2002)

    24 vote(s)
    14.0%
  6. Irina Slutskaya (2006)

    4 vote(s)
    2.3%
  7. Joannie Rochette (2010)

    67 vote(s)
    39.0%
  8. Other

    4 vote(s)
    2.3%
  1. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    Lets put it this way. Put all the Olympic ladies competitions from 1994 to 2010 and imagine what the results would have been. I suspect something like:

    Gold- Yu Na Kim 2010 (duh). All 9 1st place votes under 6.0 atleast a 20 point win margin (short program alone would be atleast 10 points higher) under COP.

    Silver- Under 6.0 Tara from 98. Under COP probably Asada from 2010 due to a huge short program lead over either Tara or Kwan from 98.

    Bronze- Under 6.0 Kwan from 98. Under COP Kwan from 98 as well probably.

    4th- Under 6.0 Asada from 2010. Under COP Tara from 98.

    5th- Under 6.0 Nagasu from 2010. Under COP Rochette from 2010.

    6th- Reverse of 5th place.

    7th- Arakawa from 2006.

    8th- Under 6.0 Hughes from 2002 I guess. Under COP Cohen from 2006.

    9th- Kerrigan from 1994 I guess.

    10th- Chen from 1994.


    If we went down to the top 20, 10 to 12 of the top 20 would all come from 2010, as well as 4 of the top 6 as it is.
  2. briancoogaert

    briancoogaert Well-Known Member

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    LOL. 2 votes for Debbi Thomas. I liked her, but...
  3. falling_dance

    falling_dance Well-Known Member

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    Maybe they just really love compulsory figures.
  4. briancoogaert

    briancoogaert Well-Known Member

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    Yes, that's what I thought after posting this. I read the title again, and it's about best performance, not LP performance, lol.
    Indeed, her SP was really good.
    But IMO, if we count only the SP, Nancy Kerrigan's 1992 SP was really special :)
  5. smarts1

    smarts1 Well-Known Member

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    I know a lot people talk about Lu was past her technical prime by 98, but her jumps in the LP were definitely not as poor as everyone makes it out to be. The second lutz would have been given a <, while the second triple toe (in the 3-3) would have been given a <<. The flip was borderline (it could have gone either way), and the first lutz was okay on rotation. It's not like Joannie didn't underrotate any jumps; if the technical panel wanted, they could have easily given < marks to her second lutz and her triple salchow (in the 3-3 sequence). Both skaters stepped out of the flip and Joannie also had a turn out on a double axel. So thinking in terms of that, I'm not exactly sure Joannie was so technically superior to Chen.

    I also disagree that Lulu's artistry in 98 wasn't up to the standard of 95 and 96. That program matched and was probably even better artistically than what she put out in 95 and 96. There was just so much raw emotion that filled up every single second in that program.

    And the results from each Olympics are all competition and sktare dependent. There are many posters who believe Lulu should have won silver in Lillehammer. I don't think anyone thinks Joannie should have won silver over Mao.
  6. falling_dance

    falling_dance Well-Known Member

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    That's probably my favorite performance of hers. :)
  7. museksk8r

    museksk8r Well-Known Member

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    Never thought I'd see anyone claim that. I thought Kwan was much tighter in SLC than she was in Nagano. The SP 3flip, the LP 3loop, the LP 3toe+2toe (meant to be a 3toe), the LP 3flip with the fall, all were tight and "white knuckled." Michelle's jumps were definitely not easy for her at that Olympics. I had the sense throughout that she was really fighting through everything, much more so than 4 years earlier.
  8. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    Even Chen's rotated jumps were not very good by 98, her spins which were never that strong a suit sucked royally in 1998, and even her footwork wasnt much to note by then. Rochette of 2010 is easily stronger in every aspect of technical skating than Chen in 1998 was. I cant see anyone seriously arguing Chen of 98 had stronger jumps, jump combinations, spins, footwork, or even spirals than Rochette in 2010.

    Yes which is why it is strange Chen's 94 performance doesnt have more votes, and her weaker 98 performance has so many. I already said Chen's 94 performance would have been a good choice, I have no idea why it has so few votes. If you want to talk about Chen of 98 along those terms though obviously NOBODY argues her deserving more than bronze (atleast there might be the odd homer who argues Rochette deserving silver in Vancouver, PS I am definitely not one), and there are even more people who debated Chen's bronze in 98 than try to debate Rochette's in 2010. 94 cant be compared as there was no skater of near the level of Kwan, Lipinski, Kim, or Asada at the time at that event, so obviously much easier to compete for more than a bronze, which is still as it was all Chen managed. I am alot more surprised Chen of 98 has so many votes than Rochette winning the poll.
  9. smarts1

    smarts1 Well-Known Member

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    Artistically... yes, 98 was better than 94 for Lu. Besides that, Lu still managed to say on her feet on everything despite the fact that half her jumping passes were underrotated. If we could smooch both programs together, then Lu would be winning this poll hands down. It's sad that she pretty much competing with herself and that her performances are splitting her votes.

    Either way, I don't think things like footwork, spirals, or even spins are even nearly equatable from the old system to the current system. There are more demands now that skaters have to keep up with. Albeit, Lulu never had strong spins, it's not exaclty fair to say that the other technical parts of her skating was weak especially when under 6.0, they almost counted for nothing (especially in the LP).