Best 2A by a female singles skater (Pick 3)

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Best 2A by a lady: Pick 3.

  1. Mao Asada

    29 vote(s)
    20.0%
  2. Oksana Baiul

    13 vote(s)
    9.0%
  3. Tonya Harding

    51 vote(s)
    35.2%
  4. Sarah Hughes

    13 vote(s)
    9.0%
  5. Midori Ito

    63 vote(s)
    43.4%
  6. Kim Yu-Na

    52 vote(s)
    35.9%
  7. Anna Rechnio

    9 vote(s)
    6.2%
  8. Gabriele Seyfert

    5 vote(s)
    3.4%
  9. Irina Slutskaya

    28 vote(s)
    19.3%
  10. Elena Vodorezova

    8 vote(s)
    5.5%
  11. Elaine Zayak

    3 vote(s)
    2.1%
  12. Other

    39 vote(s)
    26.9%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. falling_dance

    falling_dance The Scarlet Unlettered

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    Apologies for mucking up the first attempt at this poll; that was cretinous. :eek:

    One of the easier jumps, to be sure, and it's been done correctly by many more ladies than, say, the lutz has been. Still, I find a great double axel to be as beautiful as any layback spin and, on occasion, as impressive as most triple jumps.

    Some examples that informed the making of this list:

    Mao Asada, 2011 Rostelecom Cup FS

    Oksana Baiul, 1994 Olympics SP

    Tonya Harding, 1987 NHK Trophy

    Sarah Hughes, 2002 Olympics SP

    Midori Ito, 1988 Olympics SP

    Kim Yu-Na, 2011 Worlds SP

    Anna Rechnio, 1999 Worlds SP

    Gabriele Seyfert, 1968 Olympics FS

    Irina Slutskaya, 2006 Olympics SP

    Elena Vodorezova, 1982 Worlds SP

    Elaine Zayak, 1994 US Nats

    My own list of honorable mentions is exhaustive and based on absolutely no expertise in the sport whatsoever, as you might suppose: Debi Thomas, Chen Lu, Julia Sebestyen, and Shizuka Arakawa are just some of the names that come up.

    One more thing: I'm usually not a glutton for punishment, but a serious craving for the :revenge: and :huh: of others set in this afternoon and will not leave, so...
  2. falling_dance

    falling_dance The Scarlet Unlettered

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  4. falling_dance

    falling_dance The Scarlet Unlettered

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    What an oversight!
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  5. pinky166

    pinky166 Well-Known Member

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    Yuna Kim
    Mirai Nagasu
    Gracie Gold
    Elizaveta Tuktamysheva
  6. Vash01

    Vash01 Well-Known Member

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    Sasha Cohen had a very strong double axel too. She was very consistent with it, and she always fully rotated it, and landed it with a beautiful landing position.
  7. Louis

    Louis Tinami 2012

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    Memorable double axels:

    Dorothy Hamill
    Tiffany Chin
    Caryn Kadavy (clean edge takeoff)
    Elizabeth Manley
    Midori Ito (from a back counter)
    Tonya Harding
    Josee Chouinard
    Nicole Bobek
    Brittney McConn
    Angela Derochie
  8. DickButtonFan

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    I like Oksana's Sasha's and Mirai's. Kwan's wasn't bad either.

    The 2A is one of my fav jumps and it isn't as easy of a jump as it seems.
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  10. essence_of_soy

    essence_of_soy Well-Known Member

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    In spite of her wonky triple jump technique, the double axel was Rosalynn Sumners' money jump. She would often include three or four in a competitive number.

    As a professional, it was still huge and she would often precede it with an Ina Bauer.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAiBm4hfLBU&feature=related

    I'll look for some more examples soon.
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  13. museksk8r

    museksk8r Holding an edge and looking dangerously sexy

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    Nicole Bobek
    Midori Ito
    Tonya Harding
  14. mtnskater

    mtnskater Well-Known Member

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    Sasha Cohen
  15. l'etoile

    l'etoile New Member

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    Where's Michelle? Her holding gorgeous edge after 2A was one of the highlights in her programs!

    I voted YNK, Irina, and Ito with Yuna on the top. She has had ina-bauer, spread eagle, and many other difficult transitions right into 2A and out of it. Even her 2A combinations including 2A-3T had those difficult transitions. This was so rare quality to be seen from ladies.
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    How is this a fair comparison? Midori is not only doing a counter entrance, but her hands are on her hips while rotating. Its like combining Gabby and Irina then adding a difficult variation.

    Midori clearly demonstrates the most virtuousity, although I think Gabby demolishes everybody else, except maybe early Harding.
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  17. Vash01

    Vash01 Well-Known Member

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    IIRC Midori did a double axel, while holding an umbrella in both her hands.
  18. sk8ingcoach

    sk8ingcoach Active Member

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    I voted for midori... But special mention should go to Elene Vodorezova because hers was also huge
  19. FunnyBut

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    I think Roz Sumners had the best 2A, perhaps because it was her most important jump, she really had it so huge and perfect. Even many years after turning pro, she was doing better 2As in shows than eligible skaters did in competitions. Overall, I never saw her as a skater known for her jumps, but the 2A was so good.

    Of this list, I picked Tonya, when she was on, she was just a spectacular jumper, every jump including the 2A.

    ETA: Essence of Soy beat me to it. :)
  20. Louis

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    I forgot about Holly Cook, but she definitely had one of the best double axels ever.
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  21. floskate

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    Ito for the pure fact she could do them out of anything and they were gargantuan!! After that Seyfert and Vodorezova.
  22. kwanatic

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    Most of the time that was true. She had a big step-up into the jump which gave it good height and coverage, though sometimes it was almost too big. At times she'd almost over-jump it...

    Also, Sasha is the only skater I can recall who managed to land her double axel on an inside edge (again here). Look at the angle of the blade when she lands! She'd land on the inside edge and manage to control it enough to get on an outside edge or at least stay upright. That's pretty impressive...
  23. briancoogaert

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    Very difficult. But Oksana Baiul, YuNa Kim and Tonya Harding got my vote !
  24. l'etoile

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    Indeed. The first one I thought she was bobbling on landing but to see the second clip convinced me that she's got really good control on edge!
  25. kwanatic

    kwanatic Well-Known Member

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    On the first one she had to step out otherwise she'd have fallen. On the second example, she managed to get herself over the blade and adjust the landing on the ground. I used to cringe when she did that...:lol: It just looked painful!
  26. briancoogaert

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    And the take off of this one is so impressive : http://youtu.be/LIzYlQhiBRo?t=1m46s
  27. mtnskater

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    Yes! Roz Sumners did have a spectacular 2 axel. I loved her attack into it...great technique.
  28. essence_of_soy

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    I don't know if she qualifies but the Australian pair skater, Danielle Carr, had a terrific double axel.

    The clips here don't completely do the jump justice, but in person, it was huge and carried a lot of distance. Of all the pairs I saw at the 1996 World Championships, hers was the best in person.

    What is even more impressive, is that the coach, Ron Luddington, said he thought she would never get this jump, and it wasn't until her early 20s that Danielle actually got one.

    1994 Olympic Games SP
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7fgGMSzyLE

    1992 Olympic Games SP
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-TqdwbLeUM&feature=related
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    I have to admit Vodorezova's and Cook's 2As were pretty impressive.
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  33. Vash01

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    Although she belonged to another generation, Peggy Fleming had a very nice double axel from a spread eagle entrance in her LP in 1968.

    At the 2:40 mark, she does SE, 2A, back into SE

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdPKgg8SGys
  34. matti

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    Basically most of the top ladies in the 1970s-1980s had surprisingly good double axels, it was the money jump then.

    But Vodorezova and Ito...:swoon::inavoid:
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  36. pollyanna

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    ^^This^^

    I voted Tiffany Chin, Elena Vodorezova and Tonya Harding, but I also admired Midori Ito's and Holly Cook's.
  37. l'etoile

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    That skate is exquisite in any frame of era.
  38. essence_of_soy

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    Holly Cook's 2 axel was amazing. I'd never seen Kowai's before -- she gets more height than any I've seen. (Perhaps the camera angle?)

    From the time when the double axel was a required jump in the SP (not sure when that was) it was such an important jump that skaters just didn't get very far without it. I can remember some with bad technique, but competitive senior ladies seemed to fall on the double axel quite rarely, and I don't think that there were (or are) edge issues. Very different than the lutz or the flip or even the loop.
  40. essence_of_soy

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    I would have said the same thing, except that I was fortunate enough to see Kowai skate in person at the 1992 World Junior Championships in Hull, Quebec.

    Her double axel was indeed very high.