Ballet on ice

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  1. Vash01

    Vash01 Well-Known Member

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    Ballet music seems like a natural choice of music for figure skating, and a lot of it has been overused. There is also ballet music that has been used in moderation. It's hard to list all the skates for each piece of music, so I will list just my favorites- one or two (occasionally 3) per ballet. I may not have the time to post ALL the youtube links tonight.

    First the overused ones:

    The Nutcracker
    (Pas de deux): My favorite still remains G&G's pro routine to this (around 1991). I also liked Bechke & Petrov's version. It was very elegant. I don't particularly care for singles skating to this, although Sasha looked pretty good.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxSR9IgM75I

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbcHZZSJnSs

    Don Quixote: John Curry (1976). I also liked Irina's at the 2001 GPF. Those are polar opposites.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djadlQLK_ow

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SXO6s3MCDw


    Swan Lake
    : B&S's SP (1998), Rudy Galindo LP (1996 US nationals) and Oksana Baiul's SP (1994)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJCGGBmCmf0

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXIj_UGchiE

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6zKfZVurJY

    Scheherzade: I loved Midori's 1990 LP the most.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gv7ZswRD9OM

    Romeo & Juliet (Tchaikovsky): Klimova-Ponomarenko's pro routine and G&G;s 1990 Euro LP were great. I also liked Ilia Kulik's LP in 1997.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roIjwsfWnP0

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSL-hpsFAtw

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCBnj4I0aPM

    Not so overused:

    Romeo & Juliet (Prokofiev): A&P's 1998 FD is my most favorite.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4Wqpc4xL5Q

    Sleeping Beauty: Angela Nikodinov (2001 LP)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGsMDXLyXxs

    Carmina Burana: Paul Wylie (pro) and A&P (2000 FD)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LVrvQXrcLs

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm18VlVQR2g

    Giselle: None that I really loved, but Angela's LP in 2002 had the potential to be really good. Unfortunately she never skated it to its potential. I appreciated Katia's pro routine to this, after Sergei's death.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YrO5YeaDdY

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADvfXJaxuFM

    Firebird: Joannie Rochette (2005)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17uTwCAUtrw

    Copelia: Yamaguchi-Galindo (1990 LP)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_ml-B0F3c0&playnext=1&list=PL4858B89E25023924&feature=results_video

    Cinderella: Angela and Midori skated to it. Angela's was technically perfect. Midori skated it upon her comeback, but it was disappointing.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHJazEDW9lI

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NT-dHwXPZc0

    Other music from the Nutcracker: Ilia Kulik's pro routine was wonderful.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-hQp1zd00Y

    Spartacus: Michelle Kwan SP, Debbie Thomas Pro

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kwr4zH53-bo

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ_BdTAVO3Q


    Incredibly, the most balletic ice dancers Usova-Zhulin never skated to ballet music- in my memory at least.
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  2. sadya

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    Fun topic. Thanks for the skating reminders. :)

    We used to receive NBC Superchannel here in the Netherlands. They often showed pro skating to my pleasant surprise. Once I watched a pro skating competition with Yamaguchi winning I think. And they aired 'Nutcracker on Ice' or whatever the name was, Boitano and Baiul were performing in it. I loved it.

    From 'Swan Lake' as a teenager I used to adore the 1995 lp of Alexei Urmanov. The 'Giselle' routine by Bobek was enjoyable too. Years later I loved the Swan Lake of Maria Butyrskaya. The music of 'Spartacus' is great, but so far no skating routine I ever saw lived up to that music, even if it wasn't bad.
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    As ever, no interesting reflections from me, only a list. :saint: Some are great; some are merely good.

    - Asada's Swan Lake FS at this season's Grand Prix Final
    - Curry's Don Quixote FS and Scheherazade exhibition at the 1976 Winter Olympics
    - Hughes' 2001-2 free skates, which included music from Daphnis et Chloe; also her La Bayadère at 2003 US Nats
    - Kwan's Scheherazade at 2002 Worlds and her Spartacus SP at 2005 US Nats
    - Machida's Firebird at this year's Skate America (I still haven't seen the event he won.)
    - Nakano's Giselle at 2008 Skate America and her Firebird at 2009 Trophee Eric Bompard
    - Sato's Spartacus TP at 1995 World Pros
    - Slutskaya's Don Quixote at the 1999-2000 Grand Prix Final
    - Sumners' Swan Lake at 1986 Challenge of Champions
    - Urmanov's Swan Lake at 1995 Euros
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    Yes, Nakano is a great one, thanks for that reminder. :)
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    I loved Nakano's LP (Don Q, I think) at the 2006 worlds. She was held down by the judges, IMO.
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    Shen and Zhao's nutcracker is one of the most memorable performances ever. Davis and White's Giselle is one of the most successful translation of ballet on ice!
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    I really do not like the music from Don Quixote, or at least not the cuts that John Curry popularized with his Olympic performance. It seems very formulaic and predictable.

    However, because Curry did such a good job with it, he inspired other artistic skaters to make the same choice, so we ended up with some more good programs to mediocre music.

    Some of my favorites:

    Mark Mitchell 1993 relies more on classical skating than classical ballet for choreographic inspiration

    Alizah Allen 1997 has some ballet-inspired touches

    Neil Wilson of GBR also had a nice program to that music in the mid-90s.
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    I am wondering if Katherine Healy used ballet music? She only skated as a pro, and she was a ballerina.
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    Also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7dmGHb1o-4&feature=fvwrel
    Tchaikovsky's "Onegin" letter pas de Deux.

    We have had a thread about influence of opera on FS and this one about ballet but not many skaters actually show visible signs of influence from these disciplines. Katherine Healy is of course an exception: her skating, in particular, posture and the way she carries her upper body, sets her apart from others. I particularly love how she uses flexibility. Many a female skater can raise her leg at 180 degrees but what amazes me about Healy is no the leg which is up but the upper body, which is in complete equilibrium (can't explain very well). See 1:05 onwards of the video above.
    I know she wouldn't get high scores under COP but she is one of those few skaters who can wow you without jumps.
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    It's gorgeous, isn't it? :swoon:
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    John Curry selected parts of the score to create a mood/image which is unique. To me the theme of this piece is 'suspense', and its 'resolution'. The essensial ingredient - the quality of skating. I also love his double jumps. Everytime a skater doubles his/her triple jump I wish it were done like one of JC's double jumps.
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    It's a pipe dream of mine for someone to use Sylphide and for the man skate in a kilt. Singles, pairs, dancers, I don't care. The Kerrs and their Scottish OD at Worlds put that dream into motion. Thank you, John.

    Right now, Davis and White's Giselle SD brings me life.
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    Klimova & Ponomarenko - Dox Quixote (with warmup and bows - the definitive ballet performance on ice!)

    Klimova & Ponomarenko - Spartacus

    Virtue & Moir - Beethoven Violin Concerto (the music is not from a ballet, but the theme is a ballet lesson - and no, this isn't the hockey/hip hop number)

    Kokhlova & Novitski - Firebird

    Ilinykh & Katsalapov - Don Quixote

    Ilia Klimkin - Swan Lake

    Ilia Klimkin - Afternoon of a Faun

    Alexander Fadeev - The Swan


    Protopopovs - The Swan


    Winkler & Lohse - Prokofiev R&J
    - Overshadowed by A&P in the same season but I liked this a lot.

    Vanessa Giunchi - Swan Lake

    Katia Gordeeva - Giselle
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    I love K&P's number, very creative concept and a demanding program.
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    The suite was not composed as a ballet score, but Le Cygne is the music of a later ballet, The Dying Swan.
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    Thanks for the info. I too thought The Swan was not ballet music. I did not know the Dying Swan ballet used that music.

    Oksana Baiul's ex to this music in 1994 was beautiful.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TTI0fWHzC0
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    Thank you for the info :40beers:
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    Here is one of their best performances of it:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHQRfNDX3kI

    Especially beautiful because, I believe that for many years; the only place that they were "allowed to"/comfortable with expressing their feelings for each other, was "on ice"

    Here's Toller Cranston as Tybalt in Romeo and Juliet (Prokofiev):
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=032DwlgcNHo
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    Thank you for the topic
    Miki Ando's wasn't so bad
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR8QRfAWOtc
    so is Shizuka's version
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgTivbUNKWI

    They truly are the most balletic ice dancers and I am not trying to twist the topic but how about Summertime ( there is a ballet version of "Porgy and Bess" besides the opera and the musical)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mdij7eJeEzY

    It is mostly jazzlike and is not as balletic as the next two programs
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imx7xxl0TK8
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94PMD_1zmNU
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    I had never seen that program (Summertime) of Usova-Zhulin. They were gorgeous. I did not feel this was ballet music though; may be modern dance? Everything they did was balletic, graceful, beautiful.
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    Is 'Prince Igor' a ballet? B&B skated to it (88 Oly), and also Ina & Dungjen (98 Oly)
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    Ilia has done several programs using music from the Nutcracker but this is far and away the best - I think one of his best pro programs period. 2003 Ice Wars. Just marvelous! For five years out from his OGM, extra marvelous.

    Enjoy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-hQp1zd00Y

    I love D&W's Giselle - really great on their part and brilliant by Zueva.
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